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As I am planning to switch my pigs onto a pelletless diet, I have been taking something of a keen interest in the pigs diet this week. I worked out some very interesting info and thought it might interest some of you.

Of course it might not, and I'll look like an eejit thinking my ramblings mean anything...but if there's a chance it helps just one person then it's worth the risk!

When I had 12 pigs, one 22kg box of Oxbow hay lasted 8 weeks. Based on this, I could work out that:

- My 12 pigs ate 2.75kg (2750g) hay per week;
- Each pig ate through 229g of hay per week.

That's a piglooful of semi- compressed hay per week for every single pig!

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So now I knew how much each pig ate per week, I could estimate how long the 22kg box would last 14 pigs. Each week, the amount of hay eaten would increase to 3.2kg:

229g x 14 = 3.2kg (3206g)

22kg divided by 3.2kg leads you to the conclusion that one big box of Oxbow hay will now last us a mere 6 weeks.

Of course that led me onto prices and determining whether it's cheaper to buy one box every 6 weeks, or two boxes every 12 weeks. Given that delivery is just under £7 for one box and free for two boxes, there's no argument.
It works out at £10 per week to feed my 14 guineas their hay. It might seem costly but it's excellent quality stuff and you'd only spend the same buying the really not so good stuff from pet shops! (One way it works out cheaper is hay bales from a farm/local supply store, again quality is variable.)

Just got to figure out where to store that extra box. Two boxes of that stuff is only a few kilos off my own weight! :x
 
Wow, how did I know you would be the first to reply Joanne....? :))
 
I am pretty sure my fat piggies eat more than a pigaloo worth a week rolleyes
 
More is good! Not like hay goes on the hips. :))

The pigloo is a bit deceptive. There's a lot of hay in there, most of it compressed. I had a hard time keeping all the hay in, mind you the pigs didn't mind clearing up afterwards.
 
I haven't given this much thought to hay but last night as I was rounding up the pig poo after my 2 girls spent 6 hours in their indoor run, I started to do mental calculations about how many poos a pig makes in a minute. Seriously, I need another interest.
 
Ramble away hun, Roger is working his way through his few kilo's of hay I've made a note of when he got it so when he's finished it I can work out how much he eats per week and how much I should buy to make it as cheap as possible, however one has to factor in his youth therefore eating more till he's mature but it should as you have done give me a mean average to work from. And now I'm rambling {:| it's catching :))
 
From your calculations of the cost of hay per week for the 14 pigs i would say that £10 was very reasonable as like you said its VERY good quality and you know that the pigs will like it.

Also i would definalty buy two boxes at a time as your saving on postage and it would work out cheaper in the long run with no postage fee. :)
Just the matter of storage, that i cant help with sorry. :(
 
Ah well, I'm sure it will fit in one of the cages and the pigs can treat it as a hay castle or giant hay gravity feeder. If only. I'd never see my pigs again. rolleyes

I do have storage options though, I can make space in the garage. Shed's no use since that's got the twins toys, gardening odds and it acts as the storage for the pigs dirty washing before it goes through the machine.

You see, this is why I need my own place. Piggie bathroom, piggie shed, piggie cages rooms, piggie floor time room, piggie medical room...and maybe a kitchen or bedroom for me, if I'm lucky.

I am starting to find that rambling is good and happy. Glad others are finding so too.
 
I haven't given this much thought to hay but last night as I was rounding up the pig poo after my 2 girls spent 6 hours in their indoor run, I started to do mental calculations about how many poos a pig makes in a minute. Seriously, I need another interest.


my daughter was watching oliver the other day & he just kept pooing :)p:)p
i'm sure he stores it up to show her he is doing lots of poo :)p:)p

not sure how much hay my lot eat as always seem to be picking it up off their floors but has got alot better since i got some hay from Norfolk at my local pet shop smells great & they seem to like it which is a good job as i had to carry a big bag from the shop xx
 
Ah well, I'm sure it will fit in one of the cages and the pigs can treat it as a hay castle or giant hay gravity feeder. If only. I'd never see my pigs again. rolleyes

I do have storage options though, I can make space in the garage. Shed's no use since that's got the twins toys, gardening odds and it acts as the storage for the pigs dirty washing before it goes through the machine.

You see, this is why I need my own place. Piggie bathroom, piggie shed, piggie cages rooms, piggie floor time room, piggie medical room...and maybe a kitchen or bedroom for me, if I'm lucky.

I am starting to find that rambling is good and happy. Glad others are finding so too.

I think we both need a life me especially my piggies have me well and truly under the thumb and too think I was never an animal person I blame Fred!
 
I go practically offline for a few days and miss a hay rambling post! How on earth?

Laura - do you have any areas in your cages where they have hay for bedding? I have 2 litter trays in the big cage and a loft in the second cage and I can't put the oxbow stuff in there - can't bring myself to as it mainly goes to waste. I give them a brand of hay in there called FAB which is pretty cheap but soft and smells lovely (it does vary but I check every bale before I buy). I know you wont buy that kind of hay incase of parasite but I wondered what you use in your toilet areas?

My 10 don't get through as much hay as you I don't think. I am thinking my 50kg I have here will last me months and months. They do eat the bedding hay so I am expecting that's why.

I was going to start a topic on types of hay and treat hay but hope you don't mind if I add my ramblings to yours?

I have a variation of smaller bags of Oxbow hay here too as well as a couple of other brands and wanted to talk about preference.

My lot seem to prefer the Oxbow timothy hay the most, they felt the same about the alfalfa king timothy hay. Second is the Orchard grass. I am very sad as I prefer the Orchard Grass as it's softer and easier to handle. These 2 hays make up the main on their hay - they have both in the cages in different racks. The timothy is ALWAYS finished first.

I have also got Oxbow Oat hay as a treat and I have some who like this and some who don't.

I also have Oxbow alfalfa hay which arrived yesterday as a treat - I have a number of pigs under 1 and I figured every now and again for the others it wont hurt. BUT it's the least favourite! I put it in the racks in every cage - if you count Orsons area that's 3 cages and NONE of them ran to the hay racks and I'm still not sure if they have eaten it as they ate all the stuff that was underneath and then I topped them up - what a shame!

Now my question - Botanical, sounds fancy. Who's tried it? What's it all about?

As for other hay - I have a load of it here - lots of other brands and will they eat it? NO. I think they have become very choosy and apart from the cheap as chips fab brand bedding hay they just wont touch anything else. EXCEPT when they are in their run - in which case they will eat other stuff. Go figure? That's the only time I can feed them dust free hay and then they polish it all off. Isn't that weird!

So Laura - hope you don't mind my ramblings on yours. I have been up since 5am with a poorly toddler. I've been sleep deprived for days now and this has been a perfect filler for me in the ghost time of night / early morning.

So this pellet-less diet. When are you planning on starting it?

Are your lot into their pellets or do you think they wont really notice?

Also - vitamin C - extra veggies for them or do you think they get excess vit C already? I'm interested in your latest project. You are no doubt doing it for health reasons for them.

And when you buy 2 boxes of hay will you be buying one timothy and one orchard grass and feed them on a faster rotation than you do currently?

Thanks for letting us ramble!
 
I really wish I could afford to get that much hay but unfortunately I just can't pay out for it with everything else.

At the moment I'm having to get 6 bags of hay every 2 weeks from one of my local pet shops because it works out at just over £1 per bag. I've always used them and the quality seems really good (and my lot love it, some of them can't get enough of it!). However I'm on the lookout for a good farm shop that sells bales of hay as that would help cut costs down.

How can you tell whats a good quality hay?
 
Mine get horse hay because I can buy good local hay here for £4 a bale. It does vary but generally is very good.

As for how to tell the quality, well it should smell nice and not be musty or dustyo or rough with thistles and weeds.

I had some dust free hay which was donated and it was nice but impractical to use cost wise for the amount of piggies I have. However I now have a bunny and as all he really eats is hay, I'm thinking about having eating hay and bedding hay.

Them's me ramblin's!

Sophie
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When you sat a pelletles diet do you mean just hay and veggies and no Gertie Guinea or whatever?
 
I have just been ordering the 9Ib ofwestern timothy hay for my five girls and a bag of orchard grass for Teddy and herbs and treats which I was really hoping would last for at least a month.....
my girls managed to eat the 9Ib of hay in two weeks rolleyes
Next time I order I think I'm just going to get the biggest one £62 I think it is but hopefully it will be more cost effective.
The only thing is though storage, the girls are in the kitchen, their carriers are in the kitchen, the hay, Teddy's things, the treats, I can barely swing a cat in the kitchen I'm surprised we don't have stir fry hay on our plates for tea :))
The house is still upside down due to my OH having ripped the ceiling down in my daughters room before christmas we have all her stuff in boxes in our lounge, her bed is in our bedroom and it's getting a bit ridiculous..... but can he get off his :x and get motivated....
He said he was ging up in beths room today, that was half an hour ago but the rugby on the tv seems to have got in the way :x
 
Darn that's annoying when everything is so all over the place, it gets wearing. But eventually it will get sorted the Rugby has got to finish soon.;)
 
Too continue with the hay ramblings... as I'm patiently waiting on pampered piggies to open so I can get my hay fix.

I intend to buy the english meadows sally's one as lovely's reviews seem fabulous! Also the botantic one to try...

I have the orchard grass, well did have... waiting patiently on more :), at present we are on timothy hay and they love it :)

I shall post reviews after I get my new hay's continue rambling...
 
Seems a lot of us are good at rambling. :))

Lisa, as you asked so many different questions I'll reply in your quote so we both know what we're talking about, in amongst so many ramblings!

Laura - do you have any areas in your cages where they have hay for bedding? .... but I wondered what you use in your toilet areas?

At the moment I only use newspaper and a sprinkling of Oxbow hay. This is something I am looking to change though as I am quite 'unhappy' with it, it's ok when changed every day, but I am considering a 'traditional' bedding along the lines of Oxbow Eco-Straw to help it last and to encourage less waste.

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Now my question - Botanical, sounds fancy. Who's tried it? What's it all about?

Herbal hay, along the lines of Excel Herbage but Oxbow quality!Mine tried some once, they weren't especially fussed - not to say it wasn't enjoyed, but they didn't go mad for it.

.......

And when you buy 2 boxes of hay will you be buying one timothy and one orchard grass and feed them on a faster rotation than you do currently?

I think I will buy one of each, yes. Mine prefer Orchard Grass but Timothy is stalkier so may be better for them, being pelletless.

Christine - pelletless does mean no dry food. I always state that dry food accounts for only 5% of the diet, I still recommend a quality pellet for that "assurance" of a full, rounded diet. But what really matters is the hay and fresh veg...going pelletless just means trusting that I am providing a good diet and pulling away that safety net!

I will start a new thread on this subject.
 
Ok, hay fans - mine currently have baled horse hay, which is fine, but variable in quality but at £4 a bale, very cost effective given the amount of pigs here (35 ish).

I'm thinking of giving them this as their bedding hay and buying nicer stuff for their hay racks - but already bewildered by the varieties, choice and price - I'm guessing some of you have already researched this and know the best source / prices, so please share!

Thanks

Sophie
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PS - How much hay is a 22kg? I bought a small bag of Timothy hay today as a test, and it comes from my village! So in terms of hay miles, v. good. But it's measured in litres (17). When I look at prices I've no idea how much hay is 5kg etc!
 
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No idea on litres I'm afraid! 22kg is a lot though.

You could try Dust Free Hay - I've no experience of the quality yet but I ordered 25kg (the ten bale deal) for £40 - no added P&P. I bought five soft bales and five stalky. Mine is arriving tomorrow, will let you know what I think. Price is good though, better than Oxbow...it comes down to quality though.
 
No idea on litres I'm afraid! 22kg is a lot though.

You could try Dust Free Hay - I've no experience of the quality yet but I ordered 25kg (the ten bale deal) for £40 - no added P&P. I bought five soft bales and five stalky. Mine is arriving tomorrow, will let you know what I think. Price is good though, better than Oxbow...it comes down to quality though.

Thanks Laura. I've had some Dust Free Hay (came in with some piggies) and it was ok but I didn't think it was that different to my usual hay... mind you, I wasn't the one eating it! :)) - didn't realise it came in two types, so will go and check that out!

Ta

Sophie
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