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Ruby - possible dental issues?

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Back in mid Feb I posted about Ruby loosing a bit of weight, and on further examination it seemed she had snapped off both of her top teeth at the gum line.
She is a manic bar biter so I put it down to that, fed her soaked pellets and thin strips of veg for a few days, and everything seemed fine.
Her teeth came back in nicely and she started eating normally again.

But last weekend she seemed a bit funny with her food, so I checked her mouth and she had partially snapped off 1 top tooth.
Hmm. I started with the same routine as before, and by mid week it was looking ok again.
Today I noticed she hadn't eaten any of her pellets (unheard of) and it seems she has now snapped the other top tooth off.

In herself she is fine - lively, asking for food, and pooping as normal.
But she is struggling to eat and can only rather awkwardly manage very specific foods.
She is hungry, but seems to give up quickly, and can't manage pellets or veg cut into chunks at all.

She is eating grass, hay, herbs and thin strips of some veg.
I am topping up with syringe feeding which she is taking, and her weight is stable.

But i am starting to worry this might be symptomatic of dental problems at the back of her mouth.
Has anyone else had dental issues present like this?

Today I called the specialist vet that we usually see, and she is not available for 2 weeks!
But she suggested one of her colleagues who only treats exotics (and zoo animals) and said he is very good with guinea pigs.
He has a small practice and only see exotics a couple of times a week, as the rest of his work is onsite at zoos.

I was able to speak to him directly (poor man) and he fitted us in on Tuesday (given it's a bank holiday Monday and Friday this seemed very reasonable) but I am nervous. He sounded great and experienced, and I know his zoo has a herd of guinea pigs so he sees them all the time.
But obviously because he rarely sees members of the public (he only agreed to see us because his colleague asked) I have no idea if he understands 'pets' vs 'zoo' guinea pigs.
And Ruby - I know I moan about her, but she is such a special piggy and I can't bear to make a bad decision for her.
Equally it is clear we can't wait another 2 weeks to see a vet, and being holidays here at the moment it is hard to find alternatives.

Arghh - keep your fingers crossed that I am panicking over nothing and Ruby is fine by Tuesday and gives this fancy zoo vet a firm nip for daring to look into her mouth.

Apparently he is also an expert at darting animals - I wonder if he has ever used this technique on a guinea pig :whistle:
 
I had this problem with my Bill. One day I notice Bill looked really strange while eating, I looked into his mouth and his two bottom incisors looked like they where moving sideways and opening in between. One of his incisors was actually wobbling around. We took him up to the exotics vet in Truro, they treat Newquay Zoo animals. Anyway Bill’s tooth had broken below the gum line and the gum tissue was holding the tooth in place, just.
We were booked in the following day for GA operation to remove the broken part of the tooth and on the way home Bill had manage to loose the broken part and now had three incisors only on show! saved an expensive op anyway.
The tooth eventually grew back and we thought everything was fine, until he managed to break another incisor, a different one this time an upper incisor. Luckily for us we were already visiting Simon Maddock in Northampton for Ted’s dentals and Simon burred the rather long opposing incisor while the upper one grew back down. This happened on many occasions, Bill never had any problems eating at all really and went for a tidy up whenever Ted has his dental spur dealt with. Here is a couple of photos of Bill’s before and after photos of Simon dental expertise. Simon said Bill’s back teeth were absolutely perfect! it’s as though the incisors wore differently once they had been broken and I found one would break, then grow back, then another would break and grow back, almost like going round in a circle
Hope Ruby is ok, hope she doesn’t bite him 😄

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I had this problem with my Bill. One day I notice Bill looked really strange while eating, I looked into his mouth and his two bottom incisors looked like they where moving sideways and opening in between. One of his incisors was actually wobbling around. We took him up to the exotics vet in Truro, they treat Newquay Zoo animals. Anyway Bill’s tooth had broken below the gum line and the gum tissue was holding the tooth in place, just.
We were booked in the following day for GA operation to remove the broken part of the tooth and on the way home Bill had manage to loose the broken part and now had three incisors only on show! saved an expensive op anyway.
The tooth eventually grew back and we thought everything was fine, until he managed to break another incisor, a different one this time an upper incisor. Luckily for us we were already visiting Simon Maddock in Northampton for Ted’s dentals and Simon burred the rather long opposing incisor while the upper one grew back down. This happened on many occasions, Bill never had any problems eating at all really and went for a tidy up whenever Ted has his dental spur dealt with. Here is a couple of photos of Bill’s before and after photos of Simon dental expertise. Simon said Bill’s back teeth were absolutely perfect! it’s as though the incisors wore differently once they had been broken and I found one would break, then grow back, then another would break and grow back, almost like going round in a circle
Hope Ruby is ok, hope she doesn’t bite him 😄

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Thank you SO much @Bill & Ted
That is deeply reassuring.

I think I am just nervous because of the change of vet and the thought of managing ongoing dental issues.
But you story gives me hope that I might just be over reacting a touch, and Ruby could be fine, and the new vet might also be ok.
 
Thank you SO much @Bill & Ted
That is deeply reassuring.

I think I am just nervous because of the change of vet and the thought of managing ongoing dental issues.
But you story gives me hope that I might just be over reacting a touch, and Ruby could be fine, and the new vet might also be ok.
If Ruby’s weight is stable would you prefer to wait for your regular vet perhaps? There is a very interesting page on broken incisors on Guinea Pig Lynx this is exactly how Bill’s incisors grew back after each break, I found this very helpful
Is she managing to eat yet?

Guinea Lynx :: Broken Teeth
 
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Just wanted to post an update on today's vet visit.
Ruby will no doubt post her own version of events later.

The vet was fabulous - very rough and ready (think wellington boots) with a very basic practice (think porta cabin), but super experienced and wonderful with Ruby.
I liked him a lot, and even better was when he wanted to do x-rays he asked if I was ok to help (basic things like holding the oxygen mask over her face while he set things up, etc) or if i wanted to come back later when he had his assistant in. I opted for the former and it was super interesting, not to mention cheap! Plus while she was under I asked if I could clip her nails and he happily gave me some clippers.

He did a thorough examination and x-rays, and other than the wonky and repeatedly snapping from teeth Ruby is in excellent condition.
He did say there may be a very small split along the length of one of the top incisors down to the root, but if this is the case it is very, very fine and technically shouldn't be causing major issues.
He said if it continues and starts to cause weight loss, infection or pain we can review, and consider removing some or all of her front teeth, but for now, while she is happy, hungry and active he thinks if I can continue with the special feeding regime then we just leave things as they are.
Her back teeth looked perfect.

And as she was under a light anaesthetic for most of the visit, her behaviour was impeccable. :whistle:
 
It’s so comforting when you have such a great vet! I’m glad to hear Ruby behaved herself...albeit with some help 🤣 Hopefully she will be okay with your feeding regime and lots of TLC.
 
That’s great news, I bet that was really interesting. I once took Bill for a conscious burr at our substitute vet down in Brixham, Jess who did a very good job at Bill’s incisors when Simon was on holiday. She was really interested in our boys and their opposing dental problems and asked if she could have a look in Ted’s mouth out of interest. She had all the instruments like Simon has for opening and parting the mouth and we both looked inside and she pointed out Ted’s wonky spur tooth which was amazing to see
 
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Just wanted to post an update on today's vet visit.
Ruby will no doubt post her own version of events later.

The vet was fabulous - very rough and ready (think wellington boots) with a very basic practice (think porta cabin), but super experienced and wonderful with Ruby.
I liked him a lot, and even better was when he wanted to do x-rays he asked if I was ok to help (basic things like holding the oxygen mask over her face while he set things up, etc) or if i wanted to come back later when he had his assistant in. I opted for the former and it was super interesting, not to mention cheap! Plus while she was under I asked if I could clip her nails and he happily gave me some clippers.

He did a thorough examination and x-rays, and other than the wonky and repeatedly snapping from teeth Ruby is in excellent condition.
He did say there may be a very small split along the length of one of the top incisors down to the root, but if this is the case it is very, very fine and technically shouldn't be causing major issues.
He said if it continues and starts to cause weight loss, infection or pain we can review, and consider removing some or all of her front teeth, but for now, while she is happy, hungry and active he thinks if I can continue with the special feeding regime then we just leave things as they are.
Her back teeth looked perfect.

And as she was under a light anaesthetic for most of the visit, her behaviour was impeccable. :whistle:

Wow. That sounds like a very productive vet visit. And one that Miss Ruby won’t remember much about at all. Great idea to do her nails while she was having a lovely snooze.
 
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