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I am new to the forum, and its sad that my first thread is regarding losing one of my girls. I had bubble and squeak from 8 weeks old, and to me and my family, they were our babies. I always kept them indoors in a lovely cage, and they were/are spoilt rotten. On Sunday night i noticed that Bubble looked quite fat, in fact she looked pregnant!. I cant say i had noticed before because she was always big, but it must have been the way she was laying that it stood out. I looked it up on the internet and read about a condition called 'bloat' which i thought could be the case.

I called the vets Monday and took her in to be looked at. She was showing no signs of being in pain, she was eating, drinking, and going to the toilet fine. The vet said that she didnt think it was bloat and suggested an ultrasound, which i said to do. The vet told me that it was a solid mass and could be operated on, but of course there are risks with it being a guinea. I told the vet to go ahead with the surgery, as thinking she was fine in herself other ways. The vet told me the operation lasted 1hr 20min and was more complicated than she first anticipated. The mass was attached to her spleen so she removed mass and her spleen, also her ovaries as they were cystic. She lost blood too, and after the op, she went into recovery, but only lasted an hour. The vet said she was surpised at how she didnt show any signs of illness with the mass the size that it was, and also that it could have burst at any time.

Although thinking rationally, i know that i did the right thing by getting her checked out, and having the op to see if we could save her, but i also question myself that should i have left it?, the mass may not have burst, and we would have had her longer, but then if i had done that, i would have been swearing and cursing at myself for not getting her operated on, thinking she could have had a chance and this would have been horrible painful death for her.

Then there is the issue with not showing Squeak the body. I thought it would be best not to show the body to her sister, but after burying her, i read several feeds saying that it is a good thing to show the body so they can acknowledge they're partner is gone and move on, so again feeling bad and thinking should i dig her up or not? We decided not after i spoke with a lady who has had many pigs, and said she did it once, but never again after it sent her surviving pig into immediate depression.

Squeak, my remaining guinea, seems to be ok. She is chortling and wheeking when i go in the room and still stuffs her face with romaine lettuce and cucumber, and she is getting lots of extra cuddles too, but wonder whether i should get another to keep her company. She is nearly 4, and quite a character. Again been told its easier with females to introduce new pigs than males, and also easier if they are babies. But i feel guilty (yet again) as seems that Bubble not been gone long, and already thinking of getting another one.

I would really appreciate advice, stories or your feelings on this, as at the moment i am feeling quite raw as cant believe my furry girl died this way xx
 
THIS IS VERY SAD, BUT YOU DID ALL YOU COULD, WE HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM WITH OUR LONE MALE WHO LOST HIS FRIEND, WE INTRODUCED TWO NEW BABY BOYS TO HIM AT HIS AGE BEING 4, AND ALL IS WELL, SO IT CAN BE DONE,AS GUINEA PIGS ARE SOCIAL CREATURES, AND CAN LIVE TO ABOUT 7 , OR LONGER SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A LONE PIG FOR A WHILE YET why. not try a rescue,who will help you find a friend , there are lots on here looking for homes.
 
How sad for you but you did the right thing. I have also lost a rabbit due to a huge tumour :(

You may notice a change in your remaining piggie. When you feel able to get a new piggie friend there are plenty people on here who can give you advice and good rescues you could try.

Hope you are ok x
 
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I am sorry; things like that can really whack you and leave you reeling!

You did absolutely the right thing - she wouldn't have lasted much more longer and would have probably been in major pain and discomfort. You gave her a chance; sadly, it was not to be - but that was out of your hands. We occasionally see guinea pigs with big inside masses; however, when they are already attached to organs, the prognoses are not good. Most are put to sleep straight away.

I have lost piggies in and after emergency ops, so I know how hard it is and how much you are left with lots of what ifs and feeling like you should have noticed earlier when something could have been done...

Unfortunately, guinea pigs, being prey animals, are very good at hiding illnesses until it is often too late.

Please take care of your bereaved piggy; it will be probably withdrawn, often not eating much and in deep mourning for a few days. We can help you find a rescue where you can take her "piggy dating", so she can choose a new mate of her liking and be happy again.
 
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Don't feel guilty for thinking about getting another guinea pig so soon; it's the natural thing to do when you've suddenly been left with one piggy. I am so sorry that you lost your little girl so quickly :(. Unfortunately with masses you can never really say what they are and what needs to be done about them until a vet has a good look; especially one as serious as the one your piggy had. You did the right thing in getting her operated on despite the sad outcome.

It's normal to get the feelings of wanting to look for another piggy so soon, please don't feel guilty about it. In time you'll feel more open and less guilty about starting a search. But I would say that it is the best course you could take for your girl. Rescues can pair your girl up either with a younger piggy or even one of a similar age. Sows are more accepting so your options are broader in terms of finding a friend for Squeak when you're ready to look into it.

Lots of hugs, hope you start to feel better soon. Just know that you did everything right and everything in the best interests of Bubble. She would have appreciated that.
 
Oh my goodness, you poor thing. :(

I am sorry for your loss, I too lost a piggie recently in recovery after surgery so can sort of relate to how you are feeling.

Guinea pigs are very good at hiding signs of illness or pain, quite often until its too late. I dont want to upset you, but if the mass was that big I am sure she would have been in some discomfort. If you had of left it, I am sure it would have got to a stage where she would have been in considerable pain, so it sounds like you did make the right choice for her. Please done beat yourself up about it, been there, done that it will tear you to pieces.

In terms of squeak, she will mourn the loss of her sister but that is natural. You may notice subtle changes in her behaviour, or she may become quite withdrawn. Only you can make the choice about getting her a new friend, and most people on here will recommend that you do. In the meantime, give her a cuddly toy/teddy to snuggle up to and give her lots of attention, which I am sure you are.

Its so heartbreaking when they leave us, such beautiful little creatures that they are but so full of personality.

RIP Bubble, popcorn free at the bridge little one x
 
I also think that you did the right thing. By the sounds of it, it was quite a large mass, and with it being attached to other organs, particularly the spleen, there could have been complications such as internal bleeding at any time, so please don't feel bad about the decision you made. I work in a veterinary hospital, and so many people have the attitude of "don't bother, it's only a rodent", so you clearly had your piggies best interests at heart, but unfortunately you were unlucky :( I'm currently trying to work out what's going on with my pig, who also has a very large abdomen, but doesn't have cystic ovaries because he's a boy :)) So many people have had the opinion of ":o £300? But it's only a guinea pig!", they just don't understand! I think that if you hadn't have gone ahead with the op, and she had have had complications later on (that in all honesty, would likely cost her her life in a very painful way), then you'd feel 100x worse than you do now, for deciding not to operate.

It sounds like Squeak is dealing with the loss of her sister quite well - and it sounds like you're aware of looking for things like depression, not eating and such, so again, well done on being a good pig parent!

In time, you may wish to start looking for another friend for her, maybe rescuing a castrated male, or pairing her up with another sow. When the time is right for you (and Squeak!), plenty of people here will be able to advise you on things like piggy dating (where your pig goes and chooses their own friend!) and how to make the whole process easier for all involved.

You may find some comfort in making a thread in the Rainbow Bridge Pets section of the forum, you can post some photos and some stories of Bubble, and although it might seem quite a sad thing to do, the other members on the forum always seem to turn it into a positive thing :)
 
Hi,

I'm really sorry to hear about your loss. It's never easy to lose a piggy but it is especially difficult when it happens so quickly - what a terrible shock for you.

You really shouldn't be hard on yourself though. You reacted quickly when you noticed something amiss, sought expert help and did what you felt was best for Bubble. No-one can ask any more of us. I'm not an expert but it does sound like the tragic outcome was inevitable so please don't dwell on "what ifs".

With regard to whether or not to let a bereaved piggy see the body of their cagemate, it's a very personal choice and some people feel it's a very good idea whereas others choose not to. I imagine that lots of people aren't even aware of it. Please don't feel bad about not doing this though - you'd never even heard of it and I really wouldn't advise doing it after burial. Squeak sounds to be coping well anyway. It's great that she has a good appetite and is chatty.

I would definitely find her a new friend, preferably from a rescue with a few available piggies to choose from. A good rescue will be able to help you find the best companion for Squeak by letting her make her own choice. It's important that you do things in your own time, when you feel ready, but I'm sure Squeak would love some company of her own kind again, if that's what you decide.

Sorry that you joined the forum at such a sad time but welcome! I'm sure you'll find lots of support and advice here. All the best to you and Squeak (and RIP little Bubble, sleep tight) x
 
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I am so sorry. I used to have piggies called Bubbles and Squeak when i was younger. They were my first.
You did what you though was right, so do not feel guilty. One thing is she never suffered, she just slept away. Hold onto that.
As for getting another, thats up to you if and when you do it. But from someone who has had many guineas and introduced many it is not hard to do. I introduce them gradually, starting with cages beside each other, then a half hour visit an increase and after a week they have always been in together full time.

So sorry for your loss, it's so sad when we loose our babies. Hugs.
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So sorry for your loss. Don't beat yourself up, you know you did the right thing. (((((Hugs)))))
Try not to feel guilty about thinking about getting another piggy - I know exactly how you feel, we had to find Wallace a new friend when we lost Mr M because he was very depressed and although I felt terrible, like I was getting a "replacement" for Mr M ( he was truly one of a kind and irreplaceable ) I knew it was the right thing to do when Wallace immediately perked up. It helped me too as I really needed something to distract me, I was finding it so difficult to cope with the gaping hole left by the loss of my lovely piggie.

Andrea x
 
I am so sorry for your loss :( You really did everything you could, please take comfort from the fact that she probably didn't know much about anything, had no pain & slipped away peacefully. If the growth had got any bigger she may have suffered because piggies are so good at hiding their illnesses.

I have had two pairs where one died each time I got a baby for the other, but with my last pair i was left with my oldie, who was 4 1/2 & kept her on her own because she was content & didn't pine for the one we lost, but also because she was so tiny, we knew it could be difficult to pair her up again & never thought she would live much longer, we thought maybe she would get to 5.

She lived until she was 7 & died this year. As far as we could tell she was happy, she had loads of love & cuddles, was an indoor piggy anyway & we think she was actually losing her sight & hearing so probably it was for the best.

If you could bear to get another then do, try to find her a friend, get her to a rescue & let her choose if you can.
 
So sorry to read your post but I would have done the same if I were in the same situation. You did everything in her best interests and the outcome couldve been different so please please dont beat yourself up about it. All we can ever do is make the best decisions we can at the time based on the information we have and the vets advice - you did exactly that.

I agree with the others that it is probably best to try to find your remaining piggy a friend - it would be great if you have a rescue near you that does 'dating' where you take your piggy along and they select a friend. Rescues often have babies and older piggies available. It also generally has the added advantage that the pigs in rescue should be already quarantined and disease free before being rehomed whereas getting a pet shop piggy friend would need quarantined before meeting your piggy in case it has a disease.
There are lists of rescues on the forum. When you are ready and if you decide to go down this route why not have a look at them and see whats available - some rehome nationally too (although this may (I dont know for sure) rule out the dating option unless you can travel)
Big hugs - take things at your own pace though
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I am so so sorry to hear such a sad story. You cannot be blamed in anyway at all. Your little one was unwell and needed an operation. I know what happened is such a tragedy but not your fault at all. You are being very caring by thinking about getting another guinea pig. Your remaining piggy will be lonely and it is vital you find her a friend. Please do not be so hard on yourself. You are doing your best and that is all you can do.
 
((HUGS))- I am so sorry for your loss. With medical decisions, there is often no easy choice. It sounds like you did what you thought was best for her and it just didn't work out... there is no way you could have predicted it, and at least she was able to pass away peacefully in her sleep (which probably wouldn't have been the case if her mass had ruptured if it was untreated.) I don't think that your other pig will suffer for not having seen the body. I wouldn't dig her up to show her. I think if a natural circumstance takes place where they see their dead companion it may help them know that their friend is gone, but I don't think it's an absolute necessity. She will adjust- she may be lonely but so far she sounds like she is doing well. We also had a bonded pair of girls where one passed away... the other did fine as a solo pig for a few weeks (though she was a bit subdued and less playful) and then she was a very happy pig when we introduced a new friend and we now have another bonded pair of piggies.
 
Thanks for your thoughts and hugs.

I know in my heart i did the right thing by giving Bubble the chance of survival, but just breaks my heart that she didnt die at home in her cage, surrounded by everything she knew and loved.

Squeak still seems to be doing ok, albeit being a bit more reserved, but she is still chortling and wheeking, eating and drinking, which is great. Maybe it could be that she is an indoor piggy, there is always things going on, and she gets lots of attention that is helping her from missing her mate, as think if she was outside in a hutch, it would be a different story maybe?

I suppose that is what we would all like in a perfect world, them dying of an old age warm in their house. We all know it is part of the life cycle and death is part of living, but it doesnt matter how old or young, ill or not, it is NEVER time to say goodbye xx
 
I know in my heart i did the right thing by giving Bubble the chance of survival, but just breaks my heart that she didnt die at home in her cage, surrounded by everything she knew and loved.

I think that was one of the hardest things to deal with when I lost Rod so I know how you feel with that. Everyone told me what a brilliant piggy mum I was, but the way I saw it was that - I wasnt there when he really needed me, when it really mattered.

That will always be a heavy burden to carry :(:(
 
Oh no this is soooooo sad 8...
If you would like to post a thread in our rainbow thread area please do xx>>> RIP Bubble xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Please give Squeak some loves and cuddles from my girls xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
As so many of our lovely members have said, your remaining piggie Squeak is now one to watch carefully. Whee had the same thing two brothers and one died (after an op for abscess) he became so quiet he never wheeked again....it was something that will never leave me.......
Sending you all lots of loves and particularly for sweet little Squeak xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
You might find in the meantime giving her a cuddly toy might help a bit....... one without eyes or stuff tho (piggies love to chew remember)


Glynis, Velvet and Onyx x
 
So so sorry to hear of your loss. :( It sounds as if you are looking at the entire situation in a very mature and responsible manner and that is to be commended! *HuGS from across the drink* RIP Bubble and best of luck to you, Squeak and any other piggie that will be blessed to find a home with you two.
 
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That's very sad :( You did what you thought best to help her and that's what important. Don't feel guilty about getting your pig a new friend. They are social animals and love company. You obviously have lots of love to give to a piggy needing a new home but its your choice. If you feel it is too soon and your piggy is coping well then there is no need to rush. Just be happy that you had time to spend with these lovely animals and inevitably everything has to come to an end no matter what. At least you can say you gave her a chance and with good intentions did what you thought best.
 
Never think you did the wrong thing...

There is always a risk in any operation with any species. If you hadn't have gone through with it, she may have been in pain for a long time, or it could have burst, you just can't predict these things. At least you gave her a fighting chance.

Never let anyone tell you any different.

Sorry for your loss x
 
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