Salvatore's veterinary report

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Pat Shields

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Finally today we got to the vet for an examination and skin scraping for mites. I had him in a cardboard tomato box (easy lift-off lid). The vet took one look at him and said, "Mites." She examined his hair roots, she examined his skin, she took samples from different parts of his body. She combed him with a nit comb and examined all the hair and dandruff that came off of him. He was swabbed with a cotton swab to see what could be picked up off his skin that way. All of this examination for mites was done under the microscope, of course, preparing slides, all that stuff.

When it was all checked, she said, "I don't know what to tell you, Pat; he has the textbook appearance of having mites, but he does NOT have them." She said her best guess was also mine, that his nutrition was so poor as to cause this. She said to keep feeding him the way I am feeding him to see if in 8 weeks or so his skin condition improves before I even think about introducing him to Red. I asked about treating for mites empirically and she said no, if his immune system is compromised from being so poorly fed, it could cause harm.

She also said that the "no mites" diagnosis is re-inforced by the fact that he seems to be happy enough and is not scratching or trying to wiggle out of his skin. She said if he had mites as bad as his dandruff indicates that he would be acting as was described of Princess and Kitty.

She suggested that I get more water into him by putting his favorite vegetable (right now it is carrots) into a bowl of water so that he will of necessity get some extra water via the water on the surface of the food he eats. I already place a bowl of water along with his water bottle.

She also agrees that he is older than his size indicates. Looking in his mouth, she said his teeth appear to be OK.

She also asked if I had found some sort of nutritional additive that maybe she did not know of. I told her what you all have told me about Oxbow Critical Care; she is going to contact her supplies and medication distributor to see if she can order it and have it in her clinic for me.

Sal also deposited a large amount of wee on the stainless steel examination table. She said "What is THAT?" because it came out cloudy and milky-appearing. I told her that it doesn't always come out that way, and I also told her that you here have told me that it seems to be a way for guinea pigs to get excess calcium out of their bodies. She made notes in her notebook and she is going to study up on guinea pigs to see what she doesn't know.

I asked before I left if any guinea pigs that really need rescuing like Princess and Kitty ever come in, and she said rarely, but she does see them once in a blue moon. THEN they (the vet and the tech) said that if they encounter any guinea pigs that need rescuing that they would keep me in mind and give me a call to see if I can help since I am doing so well with Sal and Red. I didn't ask for that, but I also didn't say "No" either. I made sure to tell them that what little I know I have learned from http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk and she understood and essentially said, "Good job."
 
Well she certainly seems willing to learn and that is a good sign seeing as you don't have any exotic vets in your area, I hate it when some vets/Drs pretend to know everything when clearly they don't, we never stop learning. Glad he doesn't have mites, you know you're doing a good job Pat. Just keep up the good work. x
 
Thats great news - well done ! I am really pleased your vet is interested in learning more about piggies too and getting the Oxbow in. She sounds like she could become a good piggy vet :)
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Thats great news - well done ! I am really pleased your vet is interested in learning more about piggies too and getting the Oxbow in. She sounds like she could become a good piggy vet :)
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She is a really dynamic woman. She was a veterinarian officer in the United States Army; I don't know if she retired from it or just gave up her commission, but afterward she opened her private small animal (read: cats and dogs) practice and has partners and fellows with her now. She rescues puppy mill miniature dogs, especially the deformed dogs that are used for breeding but that never get medical care or love. By deformed I mean maybe somehow they lost a leg or were born misshapen but the breeders just lock up the poor dogs in horrible conditions and keep them pregnant. She has one sweetie Chihuahua that was born with just dangly stubs for front legs; she has another miniature dachshund whose back legs quit working but with our donations a wheelchair was made for him. Oh, I could say more but I will stop. She's a great person. A few people don't like her too much, she is a rough gem, meaning that when ppl are stupid or are doing the absolute wrong thing that will hurt their animals in the short or the long term, she speaks her mind and they don't like being talked to that way. She will study about guinea pigs as I said to find out what she doesn't know, and if she learns something significant that I haven't mentioned from here, she will call me. She knows about mites and has treated a guinea pig or two with the ivermectin injections, but she did say that what she has treated the most of around here are hedgehogs.
 
Good to know you are doing so well. Do watch the dandruff for fungal issues but so pleased it's not mites!

Princess and Kitty are still itchy despite multiple mites treatment and a steroid shot so we are a bit confused as to what's wrong with them.

Salvatore - I love that name! He's a cutie and I look forward to hearing of his progress with you.
 
Good to know you are doing so well. Do watch the dandruff for fungal issues but so pleased it's not mites!.
I didn't know to think of that. Is there a test to find out, and is there a treatment for it if it is? Are you speaking of ringworm? If it is that, I have a cream I can use; I would put it on Salvatore, rub it in well and massage it, and then wash him so that he would not take any internally. Also I am sure that my vet would have something as she has treated ringworm from one of my cats before.

I am so sorry to hear that Princess and Kitty are still itching; out of all the things that ever happen to me, itching is the worst. Have you been able to, or was it advisable to, try the oatmeal water solution on them?
 
Thanks for the update Pat, you really are doing a fantastic job for him. Sounds like you have a good vet who is willing to learn more about Guinea Pigs, this can only be a good thing for Sal and Red. Hope he continues to go from strength to strength.
 
I didn't know to think of that. Is there a test to find out, and is there a treatment for it if it is? Are you speaking of ringworm? If it is that, I have a cream I can use; I would put it on Salvatore, rub it in well and massage it, and then wash him so that he would not take any internally. Also I am sure that my vet would have something as she has treated ringworm from one of my cats before.

I am so sorry to hear that Princess and Kitty are still itching; out of all the things that ever happen to me, itching is the worst. Have you been able to, or was it advisable to, try the oatmeal water solution on them?

Does the hair come out when you tug it?

He wants me to continue to use hibiscrub baths on them for now, i am also going to have a go with aloe and yep dont see why not the oats once i've stopped with the baths. It's very frustrating. Because of their bandages they can't do too much damage which is great as they are healing up and even growing hair in some places.
 
Meant to add - have a look on gorgeous guineas website. She has good photos and explanations for fungal and ships worldwide too.
 
Good to hear Salvatore is still improving, hope he continues to do so, great news on the mite front, hopefully he will improve as his diet continues to be healthy
 
She is a really dynamic woman. She was a veterinarian officer in the United States Army; I don't know if she retired from it or just gave up her commission, but afterward she opened her private small animal (read: cats and dogs) practice and has partners and fellows with her now. She rescues puppy mill miniature dogs, especially the deformed dogs that are used for breeding but that never get medical care or love. By deformed I mean maybe somehow they lost a leg or were born misshapen but the breeders just lock up the poor dogs in horrible conditions and keep them pregnant. She has one sweetie Chihuahua that was born with just dangly stubs for front legs; she has another miniature dachshund whose back legs quit working but with our donations a wheelchair was made for him. Oh, I could say more but I will stop. She's a great person. A few people don't like her too much, she is a rough gem, meaning that when ppl are stupid or are doing the absolute wrong thing that will hurt their animals in the short or the long term, she speaks her mind and they don't like being talked to that way. She will study about guinea pigs as I said to find out what she doesn't know, and if she learns something significant that I haven't mentioned from here, she will call me. She knows about mites and has treated a guinea pig or two with the ivermectin injections, but she did say that what she has treated the most of around here are hedgehogs.

Wow - she sounds amazing !
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Finally today we got to the vet for an examination and skin scraping for mites. I had him in a cardboard tomato box (easy lift-off lid). The vet took one look at him and said, "Mites." She examined his hair roots, she examined his skin, she took samples from different parts of his body. She combed him with a nit comb and examined all the hair and dandruff that came off of him. He was swabbed with a cotton swab to see what could be picked up off his skin that way. All of this examination for mites was done under the microscope, of course, preparing slides, all that stuff.

When it was all checked, she said, "I don't know what to tell you, Pat; he has the textbook appearance of having mites, but he does NOT have them." She said her best guess was also mine, that his nutrition was so poor as to cause this. She said to keep feeding him the way I am feeding him to see if in 8 weeks or so his skin condition improves before I even think about introducing him to Red. I asked about treating for mites empirically and she said no, if his immune system is compromised from being so poorly fed, it could cause harm.

She also said that the "no mites" diagnosis is re-inforced by the fact that he seems to be happy enough and is not scratching or trying to wiggle out of his skin. She said if he had mites as bad as his dandruff indicates that he would be acting as was described of Princess and Kitty.

She suggested that I get more water into him by putting his favorite vegetable (right now it is carrots) into a bowl of water so that he will of necessity get some extra water via the water on the surface of the food he eats. I already place a bowl of water along with his water bottle.

She also agrees that he is older than his size indicates. Looking in his mouth, she said his teeth appear to be OK.

She also asked if I had found some sort of nutritional additive that maybe she did not know of. I told her what you all have told me about Oxbow Critical Care; she is going to contact her supplies and medication distributor to see if she can order it and have it in her clinic for me.

Sal also deposited a large amount of wee on the stainless steel examination table. She said "What is THAT?" because it came out cloudy and milky-appearing. I told her that it doesn't always come out that way, and I also told her that you here have told me that it seems to be a way for guinea pigs to get excess calcium out of their bodies. She made notes in her notebook and she is going to study up on guinea pigs to see what she doesn't know.

I asked before I left if any guinea pigs that really need rescuing like Princess and Kitty ever come in, and she said rarely, but she does see them once in a blue moon. THEN they (the vet and the tech) said that if they encounter any guinea pigs that need rescuing that they would keep me in mind and give me a call to see if I can help since I am doing so well with Sal and Red. I didn't ask for that, but I also didn't say "No" either. I made sure to tell them that what little I know I have learned from http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk and she understood and essentially said, "Good job."

Hi,

It's so great to see him doing well:)

Good to hear he hasn't got any mites, but if his skin is flaky/dandruffy it could be a fungal problem. Ringworm would look like red rings on his skin, and other fungal skin problems tend to be flakey and the hair is easily tugged out when pulled.

If he was kept in bad conditions before and not fed properly this is how fungal conditions can take hold and spread.

As he has seen a vet, maybe if it doesn't clear up it would be worth e mailing this site with symptoms and they may recommend something:)

http://gorgeousguineas.com/
 
^ just would like to ad that usually ringworm looks like red rings; piglet had it on his ear (he has a black ear) and it was white and scaly. just thought it would maybe help :)
 
Does the hair come out when you tug it?
Yes, it does (and he squeaks). Not in clumps, but lots of individual hairs slide out. There are no follicles attached. He is shedding lots of hair in his cage; I emptied and refilled his pellet bowl this morning and lots of hair had sifted to the bottom of the bowl. He isn't showing bald or thin spots anywhere, and he does not have a patchy red or white ringworm lesion you all have described. In fact, he has but one lesion, and the vet said it looks like a bite from another guinea pig. He had a scab there and it came off but is healing well and rapidly. It is a generalized skin flakiness all over and a generalized very light but constant hair loss.
 
quick thought on the itchyness, I find pressure can help reduce it (when I'm itchy), so maybe worth trying a tubeygrip or sock on the piggy if they itchy?
 
I'm impressed by your vets! It's great to hear that they're so prepared to listen and then do research!

WELL DONE PAT! xx>>>

yay for Sal xoxoxoxoxoxo
 
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