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Should I Continue Treating My Guinea Pig Or Let Him Go?

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Ally

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I'm really confused and don't know what the right thing to do is, I could really use some guidance.

My 3 and a half year old guinea pig, Cubby, began looking quite raggedy months ago when he started living with his new cagemate, Milk (he was alone for years). I thought it was stress, but then his eyes were watery so I took him to the vet. She said everything looked normal and based on his history he could have a bit of an underactive thyroid. She offered to do tests, but I literally do not have that kind of money at this point in my life [and my parents were against a guinea pig in the first place - he was a gift]. I honestly didn't realize that vets bills were that high - I always saved money in case he needed one, but spent almost all of it just on the first appointment. She said he seemed normal, though, so I took him home and just tried to keep an eye on him.

So months go by and he remains raggedy, but I don't notice any other changes. He's always been very skinny and not very bubbly. Then a couple of weeks ago I notice that he's even skinnier, and Milk is getting rather fat. The new one is dominant, so I tried to make sure Cubby got his share of the food. Then last week I hear Cubby crying the way he does when Milk bugs him, but when I look over, they're nowhere near each other. When I go over to the cage, Cubby's still interested in his treats, but he's having trouble holding his head up. Soon after that, I see a few drops of blood on the fleece and then small, very soft, misshapen stool.

It's thanksgiving so I rush him to an emergency vet, where I'm told that he's lost the little weight he had in the first place and his body may be shutting down. It could be tumors, stones, parasites (did a test and it's not), or just a simple UTI. He says that I can do a round of tests, which I again can't even begin to afford (especially at emergency vet holiday prices), I can put him down, or I can treat him with baytril and give him critical care, and if he shows no improvement, I can l put him to sleep having given him a chance. He's still got a really good appetite at this point, and only seems to be in pain when he passes stool/urine, so I take the baytril and go home with him.

It's been 8 days now and I'm more confused than ever. He's completely stopped crying when he passes stool/urine, there's no more blood, his stool isn't perfect but it's a much more normal size, shape, and colour. Based on that, I think the problem is indeed a UTI or small bladder stones that he may have passed.The problem is that his back legs became paralyzed soon after I brought him home, which I read is a common thing that happens to sick guinea pigs from weakness or infection, and they can and do recover from it. So I continue with his treatment - only his front legs also became paralyzed over the weekend, while his back legs improved a little bit. He's just lying on his stomach in the cage, spread out like a starfish. It breaks my heart. He's still got an appetite, though it's less than before [I read baytril can affect that so I started giving him probiotics].

He so skinny at this point, and when I pick him up he's so floppy in my hands, that I feel he may be too weak to pull through. But then, he's improved so much otherwise, and he's still eating. I want to do right by him but I don't know if "right" is giving him every possible opportunity to recover that I can, or seeing the struggle he's enduring and will have to endure and taking that burden from him.

I honestly feel like a terrible owner, like I let him down. I don't know how much I can really help him without a vet's consistent input - researching guinea pig health only goes so far without clinical testing. I know it may be time to let him go, but I can't help thinking...what if he just needed one more day? What if he just finished the round of antibiotics? Please tell me what you think...
 
I'm sorry he's so poorly. What is his weight at the moment?
 
So about 450g (according to Google), that is very small, how old is he?
 
Ok, other posters may not agree with me, but if it were my pig I would let him go, that is an incredibly low weight and as you don't have the Funds for vet treatment it would not be fair to let him carry on like this. The only other option would be too surrender him to a rescue, though I gather you are in the States and I know rescues are few and far between.
 
Oh honey you are doing so well. Nursing a guinea pig who is poorly can be the hardest thing - it is draining, time consuming and emotionally takes everything out of you. The mis-shapen stool which has now gone suggests that he has had some upset in his guts, but you are using pro-biotics which is the best thing you can do to save that upset tummy.
You say he's no more than about 500g, which is very small for a guinea of his age - but understandable. Guineas won't tell us that they're ill until they are very poorly, so don't feel bad. Please continue to weigh him every day monitoring for changes. How much is he eating? A little bit of porridge oats mixed with water or a little bit of mushed banana are always great temptations for poorly guineas, and are high in fat (hence the small doses) so can help him put some weight back on.
Do you have the option of taking him away from his hutchmate and putting him in a separate hutch, so you can monitor him better? When you are unsure on appetites and how much he is exactly eating, keeping him separate can be the best thing.

Could you tell us where you are in the USA? x

I am tagging @Wiebke and @Pebble as they have good experience of health conditions, and nursing a very poorly piggle back to health.
Best of luck sweetie.
 
It is always very difficult to say when to draw the line. At that weight he is very close to it anyway and his body may already have started to shut down, seeing him getting increasingly weaker.

I am sorry; this is one of the hardest times and decisions for every loving owner. There is no right or wrong whichever way you go - any decision of yours has to be based on quality of life/suffering/chance of recovery of your piggy and how much you can do financially, physically and emotionally in round-the-clock care. The important thing is that it has to feel right for you, so you can let Cubby go in peace in the long term. Where we draw the line is individually very different for each of us.

By the way - are you hand feeding Cubby?
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/complete-hand-feeding-guide.115359/
 
If a piggie still wants to eat, then normally I would recommend a concerted effort with syringe feeding 20-30ml every 3-4 hours day and night plus maybe some osteocare for the paralysis and also maybe some gut stimulants if he is not pooing properly.

But I am very concerned at how low his weight is..also that you haven't mentioned how much you have been syringe feeding him to date.....and the fact you say he is very floppy when you pick him up and has lost mobility in all four limbs. A piggie in this state of decline may recover with very intense supportive care but equally they could also go on to develop organ issues through lack of nutrition and dental problems from overgrown teeth....all of which will require veterinary assistance.

I'm afraid that I am not a person who supports letting nature take it's course when pigs are this poorly.......Please see a vet to discuss helping him to the Bridge.

Sorry if this is not what you wanted to hear.
 
@helen105281 I'm in Canada, I've looked for rescues but they either don't take guinea pigs or are very discriminatory in which ones they take. I think they would just put him to sleep even if they took him based on what I've read.

@PottyForPiggies I live in Ontario. He's supposed to be eating 1 1/2 tablespoons of critical care according to the vet, which he'll eat but doesn't exactly care for after a while. I actually did try mixing it with mushed banana, which helped a little, but he still got sick of it at a point. I have to feed it periodically throughout the day. He'll always take vegetables and hay happily, though. I just wish he'd eat the more dense calories as easily. And I actually separated them on day 1 so Cubby wouldn't be as stressed and I could monitor him.

@Wiebke Yeah, I'm hand feeding him and syringing him water throughout the day. What you said makes a lot of sense to me.. I'm almost at a point where I can say it's for the best.. but every time I see any improvements it tips the scales back. But the truth is, he's not just fighting infection, he's fighting a total system failure due to his weight. I know it's more likely than not that he won't get through it. But then, it was unlikely for him to survive the week and he did. And I just fed him now - he ate everything I had himself and I noticed that he gained motion back in one of his front legs. His back legs seem to be gaining strength, too.

@Pebble The vet told me to syringe feed him the 1 1/2 tablespoons of critical care a day based on his weight, and he also eats vegetables like lettuce and carrots. His weight hasn't gone up or down in the 8 days since the vet, though, (I'm measuring with a food scale) so I'm thinking I should increase it if I decide to continue treating him. I've been giving him a piece of wood to chew on for a while every time I syringe feed him to keep his teeth at least manageable while he's in this state, which has worked pretty well. As I said above ^^ (sorry if I've repeated myself a lot in this post..) his paralysis is improving. I am worried about the organ damage this will do even if he recovers, as you said... do very ill guinea pigs really ever regain full health and live out many more years? I've been reading a lot of stories, and it seems like once they get quite sick, it's just a downhill battle of illnesses.

Anyways, thank you all for your help. I truly appreciate it.
 
Yours is a very sad story Ally, you want to do the best for Cubby but just don't have the funds for the treatment he seems to need. Do you have any animal charities inyour area who could help or failing that do you have a rescue you could surrender him to who could bring him back to health. Good luck whatever you decide to do.
 
HUGS - As long as Cubby wants to eat and is showing a will to live and is not in visible pain, I would continue to support him as long as you yourself are able to; you may find the information in our hand feeding thread helpful.
He may yet make it through the crisis yet just by sheer power of will, but it may also come at a cost and he may develop a rat-tail of secondary problems in the longer run. There is unfortunately no straight advice we can give you, as every situation is very individual.

If you continue to hand feed, you could try to see whether he peps up a bit more with some metatone or a local equivalent from the pharmacy. It is a pick-me-up tonic for humans that consists of vitamin B complex and essential minerals for recovery after flu or bad colds but also helps with tiredness/exhaustion (and it may also help you right now!). About 0.2ml twice daily for a week.

But until it goes clearly one way or the other, it is very a much a walk through the valley of doubts whether you are still doing the right thing; that is perfectly normal for this type of battle of constant ups and downs.
Just keep in mind that you love him very much and that you are already doing all you can - and that Cubby knows it! We thankfully have the option to cut short any unnecessary suffering for our beloved pets. That is all we are asked to do as a caring owner. We cannot be God and save them all every time, as much as we would give our eye teeth to do so!

PS: We have got members from all over the world on this forum, which is why we ask any new arrivals to please add your country and state to your details. Our default setting is the much smaller UK with better vet and rescue access. Knowing your location, we can then take your conditions into account straight away and support you according to your own possibilities. Click on your username on the top bar, then go personal details and scroll down to location.
 
Have only just come across this thread looking for help/advice as I too have a piggy who has just become unwell. I was so moved by Ally's care and commitment to her poorly piggy and wondered if Cubby made it?
 
Does anyone know of a guinea pig savvy vet in Essex or nearby surrounding area? My local vet is fine with cats and dogs but I have never found them particularly useful with guinea pigs.
 
Where abouts in Essex are you? could you get to Broxbourne?
 
We have got a piggy savvy vet locator on the top bar.
 
I am in Chafford Hundred ( near Grays) - whereabouts is Broxbourne? Is it Hertfordshire?
Broxbourne is Herts but literally on the Essex border next to Nazeing. Have a look on the vet locator though.
 
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