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Stress related Weightloss?

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Niki

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Toddie lives with 5 girls in a 12ft x 2ft hutch, they each have a hidey & share 3 hayracks, 3 bottles & 2 double bowls - plenty big enough for them all to eat together if they so choose.
On 1st Sept Toddie weighed 1639g & has gradually lost weight ever since. 4th Oct he was 1500g altho' he has no outward signs of illness.
He is eating, drinking, acting as he always has.
Today was the first day one of the exotic vets was on duty & today he weighed 1393g.
Nothing has changed in the hutch bar the fact the 3 younger ones are getting older & Sunday i found Lark & Fable have bite marks on their backs, Lyric has one behind an ear. The other 2 girls & Toddie have no wounds.

Toddie was examined all over & nothing clinically could be found wrong with him altho' this past month he has become slightly impacted, not a large mass as you normally see but a clump of perfectly formed pellets but i clean his bottom daily.

The vet also examined Lark (she accompanied Toddie) & said her right ovary was active, meaning she was in season which could be why there is unrest in the hutch.
He said the situation was obviously unstable & that the stress of what was going on could be why Toddie has lost weight. He suggested i separate the group of 6 into 2 sets of 3; 1 group the youngsters & 1 group the adults.

I frequently sit in my shed just watching what's going on & i've never heard a squeak or a chatter in their hutch. There is never anyone stuck to anyone else to intimate someone is being bullied; they are always in different places, some are in hideys, others under hayracks.

At veggie time everyone can be seen eating, noone shoves anyone else away altho' i have seen the young ones run away if one of the older girls goes near them but they go back straight away to eat, just not near that particular pig.
I've never seen any aggression from any of them but obviously it's there or noone would have wounds.

I'm quite happy to split the hutch but i don't want to do more harm than good doing & i can't help feel that yet again, that the decision to add to his group was wrong.
The only reason i did so was because Lark was being left out. My intention was to add 1 female & then i thought what if they don't accept her, she will be on her own so decided to add 2 but there were 3 babies & i couldn't leave one alone so came home with them all.

Is there anyone with sow groups or neutered boar/sow groups who has experienced similar & if so what did you do?

Toddie & Lark are back at the vets next Wednesday & if he's lost more weight they will keep him in for a few days & observe him.
 
Sorry, I'm new to groups and can't help. Could you put Lark with the youngsters?

It must be difficult, as you don't know who was the biter!
 
Sorry, I'm new to groups and can't help. Could you put Lark with the youngsters?

It must be difficult, as you don't know who was the biter!

I can put anyone with anyone but that's my problem. I don't want to make the wrong decision & make matters worse or wether i should just leave them as they are :{

I have my suspicions that Lyric is the biter, she loves Toddie, Fable has showed an interest in him & she was always the boss between her & Lark
 
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Personally I wouldn't be in too much of a rush to split them. Maybe watch them over the next few days and see who spends time with who and if there is any nastiness going on. Girls can be so sneaky in the way they bully. It's never very obvious, but can be quite vicious too.
 
They sure can Debbie. I don't want to incase i make matters worse. I will be watching them but i never see them do anything nor do i hear anything. Noone appears to spend any more time with anyone than they do with anyone else - i'll have to camp in the shed & set up night vision on them :))

God help me with Stella & Smee running around :))
 
How old is Toddie?
A pig can have dental problems but still continue to eat, albeit at a reduced level, hence a weight loss.
Has he been given Ivomec and/or Panacur recently?
 
How old is Toddie?
A pig can have dental problems but still continue to eat, albeit at a reduced level, hence a weight loss.
Has he been given Ivomec and/or Panacur recently?

Hi AP he's approx 2.5yrs & yes i have ivomec'd him, he had his 3rd dose on 9th October. Vet checked his teeth & found nothing wrong with them
 
The update on the hutch is that there are no more bite marks & the ones they did have have almost healed but i am treating for mites as a precaution (i did NOT separate them).
All the piggies have been weighed - the youngsters have all gained, Lyric & Lark have lost 1oz & 0.5oz respectively (which doesn't concern me at all) & Toddie has lost another 1.5oz.
This makes his total weight loss 5oz (since 4th Oct) & a grand total of 8oz (since 11th Sept).

He's still eating everything; hay, readigrass, dry food & today i put in 2 bowls of rolled oats, which he dived into.

I really cannot understand this but obviously something's not right. His weight loss has co-incided with the introduction of the 3 babies & also going from a 6ftx2ft hutch to a 12ftx2ft hutch.

Could this weightloss be attributed to more exercise or is that a ridiculous thought? & does anyone know what illnesses, besides teeth/worms can cause weightloss problems as i'm not convinced this is stress related
 
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Hiya Niki

My Trinny has always weighed about 80g less than her sisters Susannah and Honeyb recently she started to loose a few grams whilst all the others gained. I think i told you before how Honeyb makes sure they are all eating together we call her the dinner lady for her rounding up skills at veg time so i was sure she was being allowed to eat!

Well i watched them all eating to see if i could work out why Trinny was loosing and after a few days i worked out Trinny was eating all the cucumber first while the others went for all the other stuff first so Trinny would eat about four pieces of cucumber in a row and by the time she finished the rest of the other veg would be gone. So I'm sure that with cucumber having no nutritional value this would be why she was not putting on and in fact losing a bit. For a few days after i did not put cucumber in so she ate the other veg like the others and she has now started gaining again.

I hope Toddies explanation for loosing is as simple as i found with Trinny.

I can just imagine you camping out with your night vision goggles on. x)
 
Hiya Niki

My Trinny has always weighed about 80g less than her sisters Susannah and Honeyb recently she started to loose a few grams whilst all the others gained. I think i told you before how Honeyb makes sure they are all eating together we call her the dinner lady for her rounding up skills at veg time so i was sure she was being allowed to eat!

Well i watched them all eating to see if i could work out why Trinny was loosing and after a few days i worked out Trinny was eating all the cucumber first while the others went for all the other stuff first so Trinny would eat about four pieces of cucumber in a row and by the time she finished the rest of the other veg would be gone. So I'm sure that with cucumber having no nutritional value this would be why she was not putting on and in fact losing a bit. For a few days after i did not put cucumber in so she ate the other veg like the others and she has now started gaining again.

I hope Toddies explanation for loosing is as simple as i found with Trinny.

I can just imagine you camping out with your night vision goggles on. x)


I love Honey B's occupation bless her. Sadly it's not from munching cucumber :( They do get it but that's one of the last things to go - he's there for the tasty green stuff first, follwed by whatever else takes his fancy :(|)
 
Oh Niki i do hope Kanga (aka Toddie) will be ok.........i'm really hoping it's just a matter of way more exercise with all those ladies to chase after rolleyes:(|)

for my little special man Kanga xx>>>xx>>>xx>>>xx>>>xx>>>
 
Has he been checked for diabetes? I understand that can cause weightloss and not affect eating.

My boy who is 3 end of December is having the same problem although he has only lost 2.2 ounces in 6 months.

He has also been joined by a new youngster, so I was thinking the extra exercise might have been causing his weight loss.

He is being wormed at the moment if that doesnt help, I will have the vet test him for diabetes.

Let us know how you get on.
 
Has he been checked for diabetes? I understand that can cause weightloss and not affect eating.

My boy who is 3 end of December is having the same problem although he has only lost 2.2 ounces in 6 months.

He has also been joined by a new youngster, so I was thinking the extra exercise might have been causing his weight loss.

He is being wormed at the moment if that doesnt help, I will have the vet test him for diabetes.

Let us know how you get on.

No, he was never checked for diabetes as he didn't/doesn't have any symptoms associated with it. He has, however, started to re-gain weight :)

Is your boy constantly losing weight? I ask because 2.2oz in a 6 month period wouldn't worry me :)
 
He has lost about half that weight in the last 3 weeks which is what has made me worry.

Glad your little boy is gaining weight :))

My little one gained 3g since yesterday, pathetic I know but it made me happier.

My vet really made me panic by suggesting kidney problems, but then she did say she had never wormed a piggy in her whole career.
 
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