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Sweetie has a UTI

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I've just come back from the vets. :(

Sweetie has been very lethargic today and keeps lifting her bottom up as if she had pain in her abdomen. I thought she might have bloat, but the vet thinks it is a UTI. She is not actually squeaking but she is clearly in discomfort and keeps spasming as if she has hiccups. There is no blood

The vet thinks it might be the stress of losing Treacle and Piggy Wiggin that has brought it on. She is being treated with baytril and if that does not work she may have to be investigated for bladder stones.

I have been through the mill. She was so lethargic at one stage this afternoon that when I reached into the cage I actually thought she had died :(

I am just out to get her some cranberry light. Any other tips bearing in mind she is already on baytril and has had some pain relief injections at the vets.
 
Oh Pollie :(

I can offer no advice but send my very best wishes and healing thoughts to you and Sweetie.

You have had such a terrible run of luck this week :(
 
Make sure that she drinks as much as she'll take as often as you can give it - cranberry juice, water or a mix of either. You want to flush out the bladder as much as you can. If you wish, you can give dandelion or other mildly diuretic food to help that process.

Make sure that you change the bedding often; you do not want the UTI to spread to others. UTI becomes painful and bloody only in the later stages; if you catch it early on, it doesn't.

I am sorry; the stress of losing friends can lower the immune system and cause illness. I have seen this in my tribe after Fflur's unexpected death.

It looks like you have caught it early. I wouldn't think of a stone yet; only if the symptoms of a UTI persist despite the antibiotic would I ask for an x-ray without GA. It may be that one course of baytril may not be enough; ask for pediatric septrin the next time - it's better for UTI (usually a three week course of 2x 0.5ml daily), is a lot easier on the guts and tastes MUCH nicer than baytril; most piggies love it!
 
Pain relief

To make sure she is comfy give her paracetomol eg:calpol 0.2ml once daily baytril will just treat infection and not help with immediate pain.
Think thats right dose can someone concur please :)
Hope that helps
Helen xx>>>xx>>>
 
Sending lots of hugs to Sweetie, good for getting her checked over quickly.

Fluids is the main thing, the cranberry juice may help but water too. Aim for a minimum of 40ml, ideally more as in this weather she may be more prone to dehydration.

If she does start expressing signs of pain when peeing, I personally wouldn't hesitate to give a low dose of pain relief alongside the antibiotic. As Helen said, 0.2ml can be given, twice daily.

Agree with Wieke re the antibiotics, if the Baytril doesn't work and there's no stones, you may be able to persuade the vet to prescribe Septrin. It works better with the bacteria involved with UTIs.
 
I have no advice only that i hope that Sweetie gets back to her normal self once the baytril kicks in.

x x x
 
Thanks very much everyone. I have just syringed 10ml of cranberry juice into Sweetie and she has completely flipped out. I think the stress is just too much for her. She actually made a dash for it and leapt out of the cozy and onto the floor. I was sitting on the sofa and so not as high up as I might have been. She did a crazy lap of the quarantine cage when I put her in there and tried to get under the newspapers. Poor Sweetie. She has lost all of her long-standing cagemates in the past six weeks. She must feel as if she has no-one to turn to!
 
Poor girl. Hopefully she'll settle to the syringing quickly once she knows what it's all about. Better still, the medication will kick in and she'll feel much brighter. Must be hard on you too- she's running off just when you could do with a cuddle.
The heat can't be helping. My girls have been flaked out all day and have only got going this evening once it had cooled down a bit. I feel the same.

Still here if you need anything. x
 
Poor sweetie, we're still battling our UTI here. Wishing her a speedy recovery.

I copied this from Pebbles thread, it was "Pebble" that gave me the advice.

As well as the meds above and cranberry juice (latter alters the pH of the urine making it less favourable for bacteria and helps "flush" the system) - inflamed bladders do well (almost overnight!) on pearl barley gloop, which soothes the painful tissues and acts like an "internal emoluent" . Boil up a handful of pearl barley in water untill it is really squidgy - 40-60mins (keep topping up with water and don;t let the saucepan burn like I often do - the smell...and mess..... is disgusting!)

Once the barley is squidgy, sieve it and keep the liquid. (Personally I dilute this liquid 1:1 with concentrated cranberry extract from Holland & Barratt - it's in a small plastic bottle - to save all the extra syringing with normal cranberry juice) and keep in the fridge.

I dose twice a day with this mix 0.3ml-0.5ml per kg - this is the best remedy I have found for bladder problems - it not only stops the piggie squeaking on weeing but it stops the blood in the urine almost straight away. I've used it now four times on various pigs (sows and boars) and the results have been brilliant...and quick! Alll piggies have been on metacam and spetrin also - but it means their infections and symptoms are cleared up much faster.

I don;t tend to use cysitis remedies because they are full of potassium and sodium ions - many of my pigs have possible genetic heart condition and therefore these preparations, while being good for a UTI per se, may exacerbate either a heart or kidney problem.

Finally the "wash and disinfect everything" to avoid "secondary spread" is a good call by your vet. I suggest you invest in a medical disinfectant, Hibiscrub, (diluted as appropriate - normally 1:10) to clean the cages and other hard surfaces such as food bowls etc (it doesn;t have the lavender oils and other chemicals in it that Johnsons and other "pet shop disinfectants" etc do - which may cause problems for piggie respiration or irritate the skin. ) Hibiscrub is a medically-registered disinfectant proven to be active against the types of bacteria that would be causing the UTI and is also recomended by vets to syringe/flush abcesses and the like. As far as I am aware, (and from my own experiences) piggies can tolerate this with no problems. You can get Hibiscrub concentrated from most pharmacies (although some may have to order it in for you - go for the 500ml bottle as the most cost-effective)

As far as fleeces/bedding go - I suggest you soak in Vanish Oxi Extra Hygiene and wash in a non-bio washing powder (you can do both at once!) . Give a couple of extra rinses to get rid of all the chemicals befofe drying on the line and the ironing (the iron kills any residual bugs) . For the moment you are actually probably better of putting them on newspaper and changing it twice or thrice daily (I find that the cotton or other material threads from cloths used for bedding can potentially irritate their urethras in females and also the penises in males).

HTH - sorry it;s a long post but UTI's can frustratingly linger ....above is my experience on how to "bomb them" . Antibiotics/metacam should at any rate be given for at at least 14 days to make sure "the little buggies" are annihilated - but with the suggestions above - hopefully you won;t be going beyond two weeks before your piggies are back to normal health

I hope it helps xx
 
Thanks Joanne.

I am really worried about Sweetie. She is very lethargic.

I am wondering whether I should give her some more recovery food or cranberry juice. She has not eaten or drunk on her own since we came back from the vets. She was so freaked out by the vet visit I have actually put the quarantine cage in the middle of the big cage so that she can see and hear the others. I know that this kind of defeats the point but I am worried that she will become depressed and not eat after all that has happened in the last 48 hrs.
 
Pollie, I have no advice I can give, but just wanted to say how sorry I am - this is the most appalling week for you, and I'm sending healing vibes to Sweetie, and many hugs to you. I wish I could help.
 
Pollie, I am so sorry for you and Sweetie. I would definitely give her some recovery food. I would also buy her a teddy/ cage buddy. Tigger was very low when she lost her daughter,Popcorn, to the extent I thought that she would just give up, so we bought her a soft toy from the pet shop, it was suitable for guinea pigs, and although we only managed to get her a little dog, the same colours as Popcorn, it had an amazing effect, she even talks to it and cleans it. I also move her cage into the lounge right by the sofa and gave her lots of hugs. I hope the UTI clears up and that Sweetie feels better very soon.
 
I am sorry to hear about Sweetie. I would also give her some recovery food. It can only help.
 
Oh Pollie, I missed your post yesterday, I can't believe Sweetie's now poorly as well. What a time you're having.
Sending lots of positive healing vibes to you and your piglets. x
 
I just typed a long update and then somehow clicked away from the page :{

I am very, very worried about Sweetie. She has not pooped for 24 hrs and she is not eating and drinking on her own.

I came in at 7pm and she has had 10ml cranberry juice, 15ml carrot juice (I have a juicer) 5 drops metcam, 0.75ml baytril and 0.5 barley water.

I read on the Peter Gurney website that they can have barley water little and often so I will give more tonight when I feed her.

I am worried about my metacam as it was opened six weeks ago and is only supposed to have a shelf life of 2 weeks. I am going to do a google search to find out more.

I am so worried about Sweetie. She is looking so rough and hasn't left her cozy all day. I am just hoping that she pulls through. :(
 
I'm sorry Sweetie isn't any brighter tonight. I hope the barley helps. Wish I could suggest something more useful.

Big hugs for you and gentle ones for Sweetie. xx>>>
 
Pollie do you have Critical care or Excel nuggets?

She is more than likely not pooping as a result of not eating you need to get some food into her. If you have excel nuggets you can add them to a bowl and add boiling hot water till it turns to mush. I have read luke warm is more attractive to piggies and syringe feed her.

We use Metacam for our dog and I thought it had a life of six weeks.
 
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Metacam is good for years.

My Vet told me that it only loses a bit of flavour it doesn't lose effectiveness. I have had a bottle open for ages I am using.

So so sorry and I have have fingers and toes crossed for sweetie.

Lisa
x
 
I am sorry that Sweetie is not doing better.
I personally would not use Metacam for ages(very dangerous with medicine), but if you only opened it 6 weeks ago, and it is not past its use by date, I would use it.
 
Thanks for your posts everyone.

I am syringe-feeding Sweetie Science Selective recovery. I fed her at 3pm yesterday (30ml) at 4am today (10ml) and at about 9am today (only 5ml: it was a real battle). I am going to let her rest for a couple of hours and I will then try and give her another big syringe feed. Her poops were normal night before last so she was eating well until then.

As I am trying to give her so many fluids and solids it is often difficult to know where to start, particularly as she was so freaked out last night.

I am really pleased that the Metacam would seem to be OK. The injections she had at the vets yesterday should have lasted her until now and I am hoping that the metacam will start to work soon. It is comforting to know that I can keep going with the barley water and she also really seemed to like the carrot juice so that must be a good thing.
 
Very sorry to hear about Sweetie

Is she still weeing and what colour is the wee?

No poos for 24 hours - think back to when you last saw her eating hay/dried food - the average transit time for food in the gut is 13-30 hours for a meal to work it;s way through and in some cases can take two to three days depending upon the type of fibre. My guess is that her food intake reduced dramatically either yesterday or the day before and you are now seeing the results.

However she is now on pain relief and antibiotics yet she is not eating or drinking on her own, has not pood for 24 hours and is very lethargic. From my experience of pigs with UTI's, a UTI on it;s own would not normally cause her to progress like this, which indicates something else may be stopping her eating....In view of the fact she has been lifting her bottom, and clearly doesn;t like being picked up/handled and can;t wait to get onto safe, dry land...... a (potentially large) urethral stone is a strong possibility from my own experience below


My Fleure suddenly stopped eating, had blood tinged urine, and suddenly hated being picked up to be syringe fed and kept trying to jump out of my hands which was very out of character. She spent her day frozen in one place in the cage with spikey fur and wouldn;t let Grommie her cage mate anywhere near her and didn;t like to be moved or disturbed . Luckily I didn;t accept my regular vets "wait and see" diagnosis - I booked her in the following day with a new vet (with experience in rabbits and offering a regular sunday surgery) who without any prompting did an X ray there and then (albeit under GA) removed a large stone from the urethra at the same time. With metacam, baytril and syringe feeding for a few days afterwards she was soon restored to her former self.


The most important thing is to syringe feed her critical care/Recovery (20-30 ml every 2-3 hours if you can, particularly tonight) to keep her guts moving and build up her strength and you should start to see poos coming back within the next 24 hours or so. If she is going 12 hours between feeds then that is not good - you need to aim for every 4-5 hours at least in view of the fact her poos have stopped. Also leave some finely sliced cucumber and fresh grass in her cage and maybe she will help herself to this.

Metacam opened about 6 weeks ago should be fine - just make sure you shake the bottle each time and seal it properly after use as it does thicken up when exposed to air. Give the metacam after some liquid feed so it doesn;t go on an empty stomach.

I would ring your vet tomorrow morning and discuss the possibility of getting an X ray done without any further delay to check for urethral, bladder and kidney stones. In Sweetie's case this really should be done without GA as she sounds as though she is too unwell but you may be forced to make a choice.

I would also suggest that at the same time her lungs are checked for excess fluid on the X ray and she is examined for possible heart problems just to cover all the bases. (Are her feet at all swollen, are her lips or ear margins tinged blue, is she breathing heavily from her abdomen rather than her chest? Heart and kidney issues tend to go together as one puts a strain on the other). If (and this is a very big if) they find fluid in the lungs or heart issues (providing there are no kidney stones) then fortekor 1.0mg/kg and fruseamide 2.0mg/kg as a twice daily dosage would hopefully bring back her "perkiness" although she would need a first dose of 5mg/kg of fruseamide to kick start the fluid removal

A speedy diagnosis and treatment are obviously key here (hence why I put on the info about lung and heart issues for your vet) as the longer the problem isn;t addressed, the weaker she will become which is why it is imperative you keep syringe feeding her at regular intervals.

I do hope she makes a full recovery

x
 
Hello Pebble,

Thanks for your long reply. You have given me an amazing amount to think about.

I did know that I needed to feed her more, but I was alarmed when she jumped out of my arms yesterday and have struggled to syringe the required amount of fluids and solids since. She did eat bits of hay on her own right up until the vet visit yesterday at 5pm, so she should have some fibre inside her.

What you say about a possible urethral stone is very interesting. Certainly yesterday she was not herself. She has never behaved like that before as I have had her for two years and she is usually calm when handled. She is obviously in pain now inspite of the metacam as she is tensing periodically. The really good news is that I posted a piece of parsley into her mouth and she ate it, which was really pleasing. She already had spinach, cucumber and red pepper in her cage in case she felt like eating on her own but she hasn't touched anything.

Unfortunately, I have to give a talk in a school first thing tomorrow so will have to wait until the afternoon surgery. Not ideal, I know, but the vets won't be open by the time I need to leave. I will phone just in case to make sure I can't drop her off with them in the morning. I am cheered at the fluids she has taken on tonight and now I know that that is covered I can concentrate on the recovery food.

Edited to add that she has weed during the night and this morning and that the the wee is normal colour.
 
Hi Pollie

Are you also using Metatone tonic - this can help kick start their appetite and get them eating again, and if you're syringe feeding it also gives them a bit of a boost, I've found. You can get it from Tesco or the chemist.

The vet can also inject B vitamins as an appetite booster

I do hope she's ok - such a huge worry when they are unwell, and tiring for you too with all the syringing. Good luck

Sophie
x
 
Thanks Sophie, I had forgotten about the Metatone.

Just to add to my woes, I have just been up to the big cage and someone has wee'd blood. They are all still perky and eating, though, so at least that's something!
 
Just to clarify -because I think you need to ensure you get a diagnosis quickly rather than a "wait and see" - I added in the heart/lungs stuff for your information just in case no stones are found (although my money is still on a urethral stone as the immediate problem but if so then bladder/kidney stones may also be found/forming and you will need to look at diet for the future)

If there is a bladder stone found and she is too weak for an op - try destolit - really good guinea lynx reference is here
http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1235538

HTH - sorry to hear you have another one - I am tempted to think our piggies mischeviously gang up on us at times ;)

x
 
Pollie, I am sorry that Sweetie isn't any better. With reference to you not finding any poos, I had a pig that was on antibiotics and I thought wasn't pooing until I saw that she was eating every single poo, actually not just her own either. I started her on bio lapis with her critical care and that seemed to help.

Good luck and I hope Sweetie makes a quick recovery.
Rachael and Tigger
 
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