i know finally! it was the bath that did it to them! actually when i clean out their cage i put them in the bath tub so i don't have to worry about where they're at, they always get on better after...just the thought of a bath i guess is enough! lol! they aren't completely without their issues, but it's mostly just "tough talk" at this point, which i (and they) can deal with! I might be tempting fate with the thought of adding a 5th girl, which is by no means set in stone yet anyway...what do you think? i just feel so bad, this poor little girl was never handled, filthy and mattedwe'll see though, who knows if they'll even approve me.