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Teeth or something more?

Stanleysmam

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Hi, I took Stanley to the vet yesterday & I'm going to their other branch today where they have a vet who apparently who is more in the know about 'exotics'. He's very lethargic & has lost weight, this has happened pretty quick... Last week he was his usual noisey self running about....he is interested in food but nowhere near as much as he normally is, he tries to eat but it seems like he can't chew/swallow. He is drinking a little but it ends up soaking his neck. He's had a bit of discharge in his eyes & nose. I've syringe fed him which he was well up for at first but he only takes a small amount at a time & I can hear his molars grinding a lot.... Anyone else been in this situation?
 
Hi and yes I went through this with my last piggy it was not good. It does sound like a problem with the molars by the fact his chin is wet. The crusty eyes may be a sign of URI. He might have got a URI, felt unwel and therefore off his food, and because the teeth grow constantly they have overgrown? You’ve done the right thing going to the vets and syringe feeding. Has he lost weight at all? Good luck :tu:
 
Yesterday the vet said his lungs sound clear so pretty much ruled out an URI, he has lost weight.... He was weighed yesterday & is only 0.54kg.
His brother weighs 0.83kg... His appetite is still good, although he has gone off hay & has soft stools....
 
Hi, I took Stanley to the vet yesterday & I'm going to their other branch today where they have a vet who apparently who is more in the know about 'exotics'. He's very lethargic & has lost weight, this has happened pretty quick... Last week he was his usual noisey self running about....he is interested in food but nowhere near as much as he normally is, he tries to eat but it seems like he can't chew/swallow. He is drinking a little but it ends up soaking his neck. He's had a bit of discharge in his eyes & nose. I've syringe fed him which he was well up for at first but he only takes a small amount at a time & I can hear his molars grinding a lot.... Anyone else been in this situation?

Please have your boy seen as an emergency NOW!

The lethargy is most likely at least partly from him not eating enough. Keep in mind that over 80% of the daily food intake is hay with veg only maning about 10-15% of what he is normally eating, and you see the problem. See a vet asap as an emergency. A lethargic piggy is one in danger of dying.
Since he is struggling to swallow, you have to feed him very little but often. If he cannot get any food down, then he will have to be put to sleep. It is really as critical as that!
Guinea pigs can go downhill in a matter of hours or just a few days. You do not have the time to wait. :(
List Of Life And Death Out-of-hours Emergencies
Not Eating, Weight Loss Over 50g And The Importance Of Syringe Feeding Fibre

Switch from weighing weekly to weighing daily at the same time, like before you feed evening or morning veg. it is the only way you can monitor the overall food intake and manage any top up syringe feed. A guinea should eat about 60 ml in 24 hours just to stay alive and keep the guts from slowing down and eventually closing down. the more you get down him, the greater the survival chances, but you have to be very careful that your guinea pig has swallowed anything before you give more. Yours may need 1/10 of a small syringe full to try whether anything is going down at all.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide

If your boy has problems swallowing (hence the water in the nose), then you need to see a vet ASAP.
Please make sure that he checks the crucial back teeth for overgrown premolars which can trap the tongue and prevent chewing and swallowing. He also needs to check the mouth for anything stuck between the teeth or oral thrush; swelling in the throat or a throat infection that is closing the throat can also be involved. Piggies can also lose the ability to swallow through a neurological problem; I have lost a younger piggy of mine that way last year.

Incisors are self-sharpening if the back teeth are working fine. If the edges are even and not slanted, jagged pointing inwards (i.e. overgrown), then you have to assume that the back teeth are working fine, too, and that the dental system is balanced. Your vet can remove the inevitable gunk in the mouth gently with a cotton bud to have a look at the back. Please ask him whether he has ever dealt with guinea pig before you let him do any burring.

Please see a vet ASAP if your piggy is unwell; in an emergency like yours, you need to see any vet, general or exotics as soon as possible at any time of the day for life-saving measures; you can always see a specialist once your boy is safe. Step in with life saving support feeding ASAP to keep your piggy going until you can see a vet and until your boy is well enough to eat the full amount by himself.

I am keeping my fingers VERY firmly crossed!
 
I completely agree with above, there is no time to waste. It sounds like he is seriously ill and that weight is seriously low. You need to seek immediate treatment for him, I don't think waiting util tomorrow is right.
 
Please have your boy seen as an emergency NOW!

The lethargy is most likely at least partly from him not eating enough. Keep in mind that over 80% of the daily food intake is hay with veg only maning about 10-15% of what he is normally eating, and you see the problem. See a vet asap as an emergency. A lethargic piggy is one in danger of dying.
Since he is struggling to swallow, you have to feed him very little but often. If he cannot get any food down, then he will have to be put to sleep. It is really as critical as that!
Guinea pigs can go downhill in a matter of hours or just a few days. You do not have the time to wait. :(
List Of Life And Death Out-of-hours Emergencies
Not Eating, Weight Loss Over 50g And The Importance Of Syringe Feeding Fibre

Switch from weighing weekly to weighing daily at the same time, like before you feed evening or morning veg. it is the only way you can monitor the overall food intake and manage any top up syringe feed. A guinea should eat about 60 ml in 24 hours just to stay alive and keep the guts from slowing down and eventually closing down. the more you get down him, the greater the survival chances, but you have to be very careful that your guinea pig has swallowed anything before you give more. Yours may need 1/10 of a small syringe full to try whether anything is going down at all.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide

If your boy has problems swallowing (hence the water in the nose), then you need to see a vet ASAP.
Please make sure that he checks the crucial back teeth for overgrown premolars which can trap the tongue and prevent chewing and swallowing. He also needs to check the mouth for anything stuck between the teeth or oral thrush; swelling in the throat or a throat infection that is closing the throat can also be involved. Piggies can also lose the ability to swallow through a neurological problem; I have lost a younger piggy of mine that way last year.

Incisors are self-sharpening if the back teeth are working fine. If the edges are even and not slanted, jagged pointing inwards (i.e. overgrown), then you have to assume that the back teeth are working fine, too, and that the dental system is balanced. Your vet can remove the inevitable gunk in the mouth gently with a cotton bud to have a look at the back. Please ask him whether he has ever dealt with guinea pig before you let him do any burring.

Please see a vet ASAP if your piggy is unwell; in an emergency like yours, you need to see any vet, general or exotics as soon as possible at any time of the day for life-saving measures; you can always see a specialist once your boy is safe. Step in with life saving support feeding ASAP to keep your piggy going until you can see a vet and until your boy is well enough to eat the full amount by himself.

I am keeping my fingers VERY firmly crossed!
I completely agree with above, there is no time to waste. It sounds like he is seriously ill and that weight is seriously low. You need to seek immediate treatment for him, I don't think waiting util tomorrow is right.
 
Thankyou... I took him to the vet yesterday & again today, I've been given 2 different antibiotics.... Baytril & metronidazole... For Stanley the poorly one & Benji his brother just as a precaution. I've also got some more supreme recovery sachets to continue syringe feeding him. The vet did her best to check his molars today & can't see anything obvious wrong, his tongue isn't trapped or anything either. He seems to be swallowing the food I'm syringe feeding him ok.
 
Thankyou... I took him to the vet yesterday & again today, I've been given 2 different antibiotics.... Baytril & metronidazole... For Stanley the poorly one & Benji his brother just as a precaution. I've also got some more supreme recovery sachets to continue syringe feeding him. The vet did her best to check his molars today & can't see anything obvious wrong, his tongue isn't trapped or anything either. He seems to be swallowing the food I'm syringe feeding him ok. His incisors look ok, I'm sure he seems to be grinding his teeth quite a bit....
 
Sorry I missed your previous message. How is your boy today? If the vet doesn't think it's his teeth then what have they suggested as a cause? If he still can't chew/swallow then he really needs to see a specialist. It would definitely be worth a trip to see Simon Maddock in Northampton. I don't know of any vets with experience in dental problems closer to you but someone else may be able to suggest one.
 
Hi, he's about the same I'd say to be honest, he is having a little wander about, but still very lethargic, he seems to be making a sound similar to us if we have tonsillitis when we struggle to swallow? But he can swallow, he has also been drinking on his own accord but not in the same way or at least not as quickly as he would normally. He's grinding his molars too. He also makes a whimpering noise when we handle him but I'm not sure if that might be him saying he's appreciating a cuddle because he feels unwell. The vet prescribed antibiotics but not for anything specific.... I guess as a precaution to rule things out. She didn't want to just go ahead with a GA & check his molars thoroughly as him being so underweight & lethargic is a very high risk...
 
I advise you to take him to Cat and Rabbit Care Clinic in Northampton if you can. Kim and Simon Maddock are the best when it comes to guinea pigs, especially teeth problems. Their patients are from all over the UK. I live in North Wales and we travel there whenever we have problems with guinea pig teeth. Simon checks the teeth GA free so there are no problems afterwards with regards to side effects or risks.
 
Unfortunately I'm unable to travel there. I took my boys to the guinea pig rescue in Glyn Neath yesterday, she was very helpful... Way more than the vets I saw were! She had a good look at their molars & dental work would need doing... I've now made an appointment with Bridge vets for today.
 
Thankyou, well he's still holding on in there & I'm pretty sure he's feeling better now he's on metacam too....I took him to a different vet on Friday, he's actually eating some food on his own. I'm taking both boys back tomorrow, they might both be having dental work done.... Still not sure what to do for the best though... The vet said it might be a kidney issue.
 
My little Alvin just had a dental today, he lost a bit of weight over the past couple of weeks and he was trying eat and then just not swallowing the food, he couldn’t eat hard food or big chunks. He was trying his hardest but was quite lathergic and not his happy self. I took him to the vets (vets4pets) who couldn’t see anything on his teeth but decided to do a dental because of his symptoms. They gave him metacam for a couple of days before they could fit him in, on that he did eat more. He had it done today, he is still not himself because he is drowsy/dopey and coming out of the drugs they gave him. He is trying to eat more tho which is great.

Good luck with it. I know it’s so stressful when things like this happen but sending you best wishes, your doing the right thing. I hope it goes well.
 
Hope your little man pulls through & feels better & is back to eating normally real soon, I've just taken them to the vet & decided to take the risk with dental work, I turned into an emotional wreck, just didn't know what to do for the best... I'm praying for a miracle.
 
We are all here with you. Hope your guys get through it-I’m sure they will. What ever decision you make is the right one for your pigs.
 
That’s brilliant news!
My Alvin is still a little bit worse for wear. He is eating slowly but it will take time for him to get back to normal.
Just give them lots of love (I’m sure you will)
 
Hi
He is not doing so well, since the dental he was still loosing weight and not eating properly so I took him back to the vet this evening who said his teeth look fine now but it seems like it’s a jaw problem but they are not sure what is causing it. They have given him antibiocs but if there is not improvement by next week he will go for an X-ray and if they can’t find anything it’s a referral to a specialist. I really hope it’s an infection that can be fixed with these antibiotics, I hate to see him struggling to eat because he is hungry but can’t chew.

How are yours getting on? Are they eating more? X
 
Hi
He is not doing so well, since the dental he was still loosing weight and not eating properly so I took him back to the vet this evening who said his teeth look fine now but it seems like it’s a jaw problem but they are not sure what is causing it. They have given him antibiocs but if there is not improvement by next week he will go for an X-ray and if they can’t find anything it’s a referral to a specialist. I really hope it’s an infection that can be fixed with these antibiotics, I hate to see him struggling to eat because he is hungry but can’t chew.

How are yours getting on? Are they eating more? X
Are you able to get to Simon maddock in Northampton? I would really recommend him.He is brilliant with anything to do with teeth and all things Guinea pig.It really would be worth it x
 
Hi, just thought I'd give an update on Stanley & Benji since their dental 3 weeks ago, they still aren't eating hay & for some reason haven't been drinking from the water bottle which i found odd...the past couple days they have started drinking from it again though. Benji has now decided to be a picky eater too. Stanley couldn't eat hard foods or even grab & chew a dandelion leaf but now suddenly can! Stanley has been very interested in food but hasn't been able to manage to eat pretty much anything apart from nuggets mixed with water, but like I say the past few days he's now managing more & is even back to his normal noisy self! He's still very thin though, but seems a lot less lethargic. I'm worried now though that his incisors are too long?
 
It is more than likely that your guinea pigs will need regular teeth filing, especially if this is not done properly by the vet. I used to have a guinea pig which needed teeth filing every 2/3 weeks. She had problems with recurring abscess in the gums (sometimes chin or jaws). But she would always eat straight away after the procedure was done. Simon in Cat & Rabbit Clinic in Northampton does the procedure GA free (unless it is really needed when the issue was worse than usual), so there was no problem with my piggy recovering abd getting any risks from the anaesthesia for a couple of days.
 
It’s good to hear Stanley and benji are slowly getting there and slowly improving. My Alvin had a dental which didn’t work so I took him to a specialist vet who told me he had a tongue trap, ulcer and over grown molars and incisors (so the first vet didn’t do the dental correctly). It’s been a couple of weeks since his second dental and he is slowly getting there, his weight is stabilising, he is more interested in food but still a bit picky. He is still on pain meds for at least another week.
I have learnt that it makes all the difference going to a vet that knows what they are doing-it has been quite an expensive and stressful lesson but worth it because he is getting better. I went to Ashleigh vets in Manchester. If you can get there it’s worth it. But keep persevering-it’s taken ages for Alvin to get better and he is still not 100%. I hope benji and Stanley make a full recovery.
 
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