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unfortunately i wasn't about in time on the recent thread that ended up as a lets slamdunk the rspca again so i'll try and answer a few issues that were raised.

What am i donating money for,where does it get spent:
well one of the biggest outgoings i would imagine is wages,Inspectors/ACO's admin staff etc etc.I'm not all that sure about how many full time employees there are within the RSPCA however its more than 10.
Vehicle leasing isnt cheap,given the amount of milage they do i would imagine its quite costly.
Fuel-they dont get it for free,they pay the same as us,again i'm not sure how many vehicles they have and how much milage they do but on a weekly basis i would imagine an individual Inspector runs up several hundred miles worth.
For example,An ACO has to travel to Great Yarmouth to pick up 2 guinea pigs that have been dumped,they then travel to Norwich which doesn't have a reception centre,to collect another 4 guinea pigs,they then have to travel down to me in darkest Suffolk to drop them off,62 miles,then they toddle off on their next job.

Administration,well i know first hand how much paper work is involved when dealing with animals.Transfer of Ownership pads,Transfer of Title pads,Animal Adoption forms,Medical record forms for the ill ones,Small animal entry assessments,pre & post fostering records are just what we have here.It all has to be paid for otherwise we cannot accept any animals at all.

Apparently the money from the charity shops goes to RSPCA head office:
news to me,ours goes towards Kennel costs,food for fosterers so they can feed the animals,vouchers for people on benefits to get dogs and cats neutered/spayed.I've checked our last AGM minutes and cannot find any mention of money going to head office.

and then there's the animals,well last year the rspca assisted over 82,000 animals,thats 1500+ per week,if you believe they have time to go knocking on peoples doors based on what i've read on the other thread then i'm sorry but your barking mad.The last rescue from that woman was mid 2009,do you seriously believe that 2 & a half years later they should be knocking on the door demanding access to check her home out,all she has to do is say no and thats it,no you cant come in,get a warrant.

so ok you've had a rant about the RSPCA & what you think about them however do you assist in dealing with 80,000 animals a year,no probably not,you sit there twiddling your thumbs waiting for the next issue to go spouting off about things that you have no first hand knowledge about and you type before your brain engages,here's a thought for you,get together and open a nationwide animal welfare charity,buy premises,build animal hospitals,pay for vets and their nurses,desk staff,admin,buy vehicles and maintain them,put up with the utter garbage that flows your way when someone doesn't like what you have or havn't done and then,just maybe you might be in a position to see just how grim,unrewarding & demoralising the world of animals can be.The RSPCA do their job quite often with a smile on their faces,could you do it,if you can then apply for a job.

I enjoy what i do with the RSPCA,534 animals would back me up on that statement,it doesn't always go perfectly and sometimes i get a bit miffed,for example,6 Guinea pigs and a Rabbit came to me not long ago,I dont do rabbits but it had nowhere else to go,our branch's rabbit rehomer was full so asked if it could stay with us until space became available,fine by me,would i take the rabbit to the vets to have its jabs and sort out a sore ear,again fine with me,i make the appointment at the vets for the following day then get a call to say an inspector is on his way to pick the rabbit up,its off to a reception centre 40 miles away.A bit pointless asking me to have it in the first place really and then have to cancel the vet appointment wasting mine and their time.

so now i'm done with this forum,i've met some nice people via this,i've seen animal rescues come and go,to those who rescue,continue to do so with a smile,to those that dont,give it a go,you will never know otherwise.

Allan
RSPCA West Suffolk Branch.
 
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Oh I am so sad to hear you feel you are not going to use the forum any more. I have always found anything you have said very valuable and interesting. :(
 
I am so sorry for this; please reconsider! You are a very valuable and respected member of this forum.
 
oh no....
its not on people slating the rspca... but its the fact that you are a nation wide charity... bit like how everyone slates the NHS... people seem to think they have a right to it...

I run a rescue and i dont get financially supported by rspca or anything but you have helped me re-unite lost animals with their worried owners etc...
you guys are invaluable... dont let people make you feel like cr*p as they are the ones with the problems...

people have gone out of their way to slate my rescue so i understand how it can get your back up... just brush it off and keep moving forward to the next idiot waiting to have a go... and think about all those animals and people who apreciate how much hard work you and everyone else in the RSPCA work...

please dont make a snap decision to leave...
x
 
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I'm sorry I missed the other thread but I for one first hand have seen how many pigs you help on here, it would be a terrible shame that other pigs may suffer because somebody else didn't think before typing.

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I am so sorry for this; please reconsider! You are a very valuable and respected member of this forum.

I agree with Wiebke, you personally do such a fantastic job, you've helped out with numerous large rescues on the forum and without your help those 534 animals would not be in a good place:(

My local RSPCA centre is self funded and is currently facing closure unless they can raise enough money to keep them going for another year. Their staff and local supporters fund raise endlessly to keep the centre open and to my knowledge they get no funding from the central office.

Please stick around, your knowledge and help is greatly valued on the Forum.
 
I find your post very informative. I to find it hard when people who know so precious little. One of my close famiy friends Brett is a chief inspector and beleive me, some of the horror stories he can tell would make people on here out up or shut up !

Please don't go !
 
Oh dear Allan.
I wish you'd stay.
I gained such a lot from meeting you and knowledge like yours is only gained through dedication and many years of working with animals.
Please reconsider.....
 
I feel very sad that you feel this way, As it was stated many times on the thread that people do understand that different RSPCA branches are run differently. Your branch, and your rescue in particular is obviously very well run and you have much experience and it is lovely to have you here.
 
Thank you for taking the time to post Allan. It's good to have another perspective on this type of issue.

I hope you decide to stay around. Your experience and compassion for animals will be a great loss. x
 
tbh I felt exactly the same when i read that thread :(

We are facing alot of problems within our branch at the moment as we don't have enough trustees to keep us going.

I hope you stay Allan.
 
I really hope you stay; as others have said you are an invaluable member of the forum.

Some people just rant, they can't help it and they can't see the bigger picture so please don't take it to heart.
 
I'm sorry to read this Allan, I hope you will stay. I had not seen the thread.

I have rehomed 4 guineas from the RSPCA in Walsall and know the lady who runs the small animal section of Worcester RSPCA all the people I've met are wonderful and do so much to help the animals and owners and to help educate the public. Walsall RSPCA have gone out of their way to travel a long way to get both Freddie and Artie guineas to me as I don't drive.

I know Margaret and others form Worcester RSPCA have spent their weekend trying to rescue a duck who has one of those plastic can holders/dividers caught round her neck/bill.

I've met people who have had a go at the RSPCA in general and I have always had my say to them about how helpful/caring/dedicated/hard working the RSPCA staff are who I've met.

It's very hard out there I support several animal sanctuaries and they face closure on a regular basis. I've been to a fundraising lunch today for the Hillfields sanctuary in Bromsgrove and it's raised £910 for the animals - fantastic amount but it never goes far with feed/hay/vets bills.

If you decide not to stay then can I wish you all the best for the future and you will be missed here, again I hope you decide to stay.
 
I am gutted to read this Allan, we missed the thread to which you are refering to. I really hope you reconsider, it would be a loss to the forum to lose such a knowledgable and experienced poster.

We have rehomed 3 piggies from the RSPCA and I can't praise them enough. I think the RSPCA is a vital charity in this country and doesn't receive the appreciation it deserves.

Hope you stay, but if you go thank you for all the hard work and time you put into making animals lives a much happier one.
 
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Don't go Allan, its nice seeing what posts you make. Bounty says please don' go either
 
Warning - So Cross!

I'm bumping this thread.

Because I'm so very VERY CROSS! And yes, I AM going to throw my toys out of the pram.

I'm asking newer (<18 months old) forum members to think about what a travesty it would be if we lost Tilly and Vic..(RSPCA Volunteers) ..and everything they have done and represent for the health and welfare of guineas in the UK.

This forum is meant to be about health and welfare of guinea pigs.

Too often these days it's about health and welfare of the owners.




Too often, members ignore health, illness and behavioural advice from experienced members - who take the time to post replies to their requests only to see those same members argue the toss. Why should the experienced members bother? ANSWER - THEY DON;T ANYMORE - A LOT OF THEM HAVE NOW LEFT THE FORUM OR DON;T BOTHER TO POST.

Too often people jump on a bandwagon and weigh in on a thread statng peronal opinion without proper facts/justfication and without realising the implications of what they're saying - especially when it relates to forum members who have been here for a long time. This latest thread, full of inaccuracies, slamming the RSPCA, is a case in point. The result: EXPERIENCED MEMBERS LEAVE

We have lost far too many stalwarts/experienced members from this forum over the last 12 months and are about to lose 50% of the remaining ones...(and that's not just Tilly and Vic) - and who could blame them for wanting to leave after what has been said by people who actually know very little about piggies?

So - a couple of questions for you all. Do you seriously WANT/VALUE the experienced piggie input on here? Is that why you joined in the first place? (It's certainly why I joined)

If so, then please RESPECT IT...and think twice about what you post in future. Otherwise we are in danger of losing it all.

Sory for the rant - but at least it made me feel better!
 
I missed out on the thread too.I hope you dont leave Alan.
Thats the one problem with a cyber forum, its a forum an easy faceless place to say what you want,i think at times people would choose words a bit more carefully if it was face to face.
You have to harden i know, i have seen many great members leave over time and i too have been upset at times but then an experienced member sends me a little message and i march on.You cant agree or please everyone.
Its all about the piggies not us and i really hope these experienced members will stay.
Yes the RSPCA have faults but i would not be without there presence to generally raise public awareness and speak for animals.
Have a good day everyone xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 
Well many thanks for the kind words and I guess I shall be staying due to popular demand,just had another 3 guineas dropped off this morning via one of the RSPCA inspectors and thats what its about,the animals,not what people think or type about us,yes i must harden up,fairly tough to it already,I know what you mean about trustee's Vic,cant seem to get any this way on either and unfortunately many of our comittee & trustee's are getting on a bit age wise,again many thanks to you all.

allan
rspca west suffolk branch
Proud to be a volunteer since 2005.

in that 1st year we only had 8 guinea pigs come in.Last year it was 96.So far this year we have had 21 in and its only mid February.As the Inspector told me,they would be in dire need if they didnt have volunteers so please think about getting involved with your local animal rescue irrespective of whether its rspca or another.
 
Well many thanks for the kind words and I guess I shall be staying due to popular demand,just had another 3 guineas dropped off this morning via one of the RSPCA inspectors and thats what its about,the animals,not what people think or type about us,yes i must harden up,fairly tough to it already,I know what you mean about trustee's Vic,cant seem to get any this way on either and unfortunately many of our comittee & trustee's are getting on a bit age wise,again many thanks to you all.

allan
rspca west suffolk branch
Proud to be a volunteer since 2005.

in that 1st year we only had 8 guinea pigs come in.Last year it was 96.So far this year we have had 21 in and its only mid February.As the Inspector told me,they would be in dire need if they didnt have volunteers so please think about getting involved with your local animal rescue irrespective of whether its rspca or another.

Thank you Allan for reconsidering.
I'm new to guinea pigs, as you know, but I've spent many years working in animal rescue and foster myself. I know exactly how you feel when others rant who don't have the experience and have no idea how difficult it is for rescue centres and any animal welfare charity.
We may be very 'soft' when it comes to the love we have for the animals but I'm afraid we have to have a very hard shell when dealing with the ignorant.
 
I didn't like to read much of the other thread, as I thought it may not be very pleasant & really people need to think before they type; just because they can't see the other person's face on a forum doesn't mean they won't feel hurt or upset by some things said on here. I have seen a few newbies shot down in flames as well, it's not nice to witness :(

Thank goodness you are stopping Allan, well done for rising above it all, it is obvious how much you are treasured on here by members & I hope you continue to carry on such worthwhile work in the future :)
 
The problem with large organisations is that if someone has a bad experience, then they tar everyone with the same brush within that organisation. This is very unfair and when you are working flat out to help animals and feel that you're being criticised without any good reason, then you are going to feel very hurt and let down.

I am so glad you have decided to stay on the forum. You, and Vicky too, are very respected members and the work you do is fantastic. I'm just so sorry you have been upset in this way.
 
I am very glad you have decided to stay. Your experience is invaluable.
 
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here's an example of what the armchair warriors dont see,Had a phone call half an hour or so ago,lady has a hamster,its very very ill,she cannot face taking it to the vets for it to be PTS,she called the main rspca who told her to ring us,we have collected the Hamster,i used my compassion to make her feel a bit better than she did,its not a nice thing to go through,for me and her.Its now been sorted out quickly and painlessly,a sniff of gas to knock it out and then the injection.Its now buried in our little garden with some of my old piggies for company.

allan
rspca west suffolk branch.
 
here's an example of what the armchair warriors dont see,Had a phone call half an hour or so ago,lady has a hamster,its very very ill,she cannot face taking it to the vets for it to be PTS,she called the main rspca who told her to ring us,we have collected the Hamster,i used my compassion to make her feel a bit better than she did,its not a nice thing to go through,for me and her.Its now been sorted out quickly and painlessly,a sniff of gas to knock it out and then the injection.Its now buried in our little garden with some of my old piggies for company.

allan
rspca west suffolk branch.

awwwww poor little hammy, well done. Rip little hammy x
 
Good to hear you will be sticking around Allan and thank you for helping the wee hammy, sleep well little one.
 
Really really glad you are staying - thanks for reconsidering :)
Such a shame about the little hamster - I had no idea the rspca helped with things like that. Well done and RIP little furry one,
x
 
I am currently fundraising for Manchester and Salford RSPCA and I adopted my Danny from Walsall RSPCA. People really have no idea that these branches work incredibly hard to help animals in all sorts of ways and most of their work is done by volunteers.

If everyone who had an opinion spent an hour helping their local branch then the RSPCA would have far more capacity to help animals.
 
Allen, you do a marvelous job with the small animals and the public, and its people like you and Vic that are a credit to the RSPCA.

I foster for an animal charity, and we have a good relationship with the RSPCA inspectors as they have very limited space to house small animals to cover both Doncaster & Barnsley. Rabbits and pigs often find places with us at BARC.
Its good that rescues can work together and help each other out.

Tetley, my last foster pig came from the RSPCA after a member of the public found a stray pig and called the Rspca to help. The inspectors here are fantastic and work hard to ring round to find rescue space if they are full, and he drove 30 minutes to drop him off at BARC. Also the RSPCA inspectors were on the case of Tyko, if anyone remembers the story of the 'clingfilm pig' that was in the hands of some very sick minded people.Thank god the inspector was on the ball as Tyko wouldn't have made it. I fostered him and has gone onto a wonderful home.

Glad you are staying too xx>>>
 
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