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Three pigs who aren't eating

I'm so sorry for your loss.you are doing all you can.i agree with previous posters that it could be an infection or enviromental .i hope you can get some answers from your vet.
 
I'm so sorry for your loss.you are doing all you can.i agree with previous posters that it could be an infection or enviromental .i hope you can get some answers from your vet.
The wet chins she mentioned made me think dental, especially with them not eating anything.
 
Oops, i missed the horrible news post. I'm sorry for the loss. I think you have guinea pigs with dental problems, are they blood related? Have a look at the front teeth, see if they look too long, or if there are any gaps or breaks, tells you that the back teeth might be going bad.

Just thinking you could have a family of pigs with malloclusion troubles
I thought teeth when I saw wet under the chin of the one who died tonight. I then noticed another with wet under the chin. The vet said it couldn't be teeth problems with all three at the same time. I bought them all the boys at the same time, but don't think they're all from the same litter. I can't remember. I remember choosing them but there were a few litters. I could ask Lindsay, who I bought them from. She might remember. The vet had a look at their teeth. Maybe he didn't look close enough? I'm really stressing them keep giving them meds so trying to get a look at the teeth myself may prove difficult. The vet I'm seeing tomorrow is my Avian vet. I think she will examine them more closely than the previous one maybe. I have also found two lumps on one of the pigs (on his back). I found them yesterday. Looks like the first vet missed them. Either that or he felt them and didn't say anything.
 
I thought teeth when I saw wet under the chin of the one who died tonight. I then noticed another with wet under the chin. The vet said it couldn't be teeth problems with all three at the same time. I bought them all the boys at the same time, but don't think they're all from the same litter. I can't remember. I remember choosing them but there were a few litters. I could ask Lindsay, who I bought them from. She might remember. The vet had a look at their teeth. Maybe he didn't look close enough? I'm really stressing them keep giving them meds so trying to get a look at the teeth myself may prove difficult. The vet I'm seeing tomorrow is my Avian vet. I think she will examine them more closely than the previous one maybe. I have also found two lumps on one of the pigs (on his back). I found them yesterday. Looks like the first vet missed them. Either that or he felt them and didn't say anything.
Your first vet, sorry to say because this doesnt help, but is absolutely terrible tlat their job. Its not impossible for all three to have teeth problems, but yea unlikely, a good vet would check everything they can by eye to rule out any obvious things. Youll never be able to check the back teeth yourself, you need a vet that will use a gag to hold open the mouth, whilst a vet nurse holds the back end of the guinea pig. Checking only front teeth isnt good enough. Those lumps on the back should have been spotted and checked out. But because your pigs are weak and not eating, i doubt a vet will want to do an xray or scan atall to look for anything else.Difficult one really🤔
 
So sorry to hear this. When a group of piggies is ill it is either infection or some form of environmental problem, either something they have eaten or come into contact with.
The only way you can perhaps get answers is by having a post mortem on the piggy that died.

Don't give up on the other two . To stop the critical care sticking add extra water or something moist like some vegetable based baby food.
Regular syringe feeds and fluids, plus the medication you have been given should help. Are they indoor piggies? Are they in a different room to the sows? Be careful not to spread any infection to the girls.
I could go down the post mortem route but it would be expensive. I have baby food in the fridge as I like it (yes I know I'm weird!). Unfortunately I only eat the fruit one's but could try getting some in the morning locally. Yes they are indoor piggies. The pigs are housed in what looks like a big hutch. The boys are at the top and have two levels. The girls are underneath, with two levels. Never the twain shall meet...Should I move the girls? Having said that I don't have anywhere to move them to. I know their houses are bracketed together at the back, so I might be able to separate them and keep them that way maybe.
 
I would give them the sachets as the vet has prescribed them. I’m not sure on the dosages of recovery sachets though. And make that appointment with the exotics vet, if they say continue with those sachets you could try amazon to get next day delivery? It’s going to be hard work syringe feeding 3 piggy’s do you have family/friends who can help you? I noticed your in Wakefield, holly house vets in Leeds are very good and one of the recommended vets on this forum, I hope everything works out for you and you get to the bottom of the problem.
 
I wasn't told how often, so I'm doing every four hours. I have an appointment at 10.30 in the morning with the exotics vet. Depending on what she says tomorrow, I can come straight home and order from Amazon. Even with next day delivery, it will be much cheaper than the vets. I've heard of Holly House. It's over half an hour away though, and I'm having to get taxi's (I have Vertigo as well, just to add to the mix!). I have no friends or family who could help. I have an ill dog who is on meds nine times a day, a diabetic parrot who needs insulin twice a day, and another parrot just coming to the end of his meds. It's all getting a bit much, but I will do it.
 
Are they related? Malocclusion can be genetic so dental issues with all 3 while unusual, certainly isn't impossible. I would definitely try to get a second opinion.
I am so sorry for the loss of one of your boys and I'm also sorry you're needing to syringe feed them, doing just one is difficult enough, 2 is definitely a challenging! Is it the supreme science recovery food you're using? I find that one needs diluting with a fair bit more water to not block up syringes, although that does mean you'll need to feed more to get the same amount of nutrition in. Personally I swear by a mix of burgess dual care pellets and the oxbow fine grind critical care if you are able to get hold of those, they can be mixed much thicker so makes for smaller, quicker feedings.
Don't forget to look after yourself while you're syringe feeding, being hungry and tired makes an already stressful activity worse and dont forget its ok to put them back for 5 minutes to calm down and take a breath for yourself if they're being difficult and resisting.
 
Are they related? Malocclusion can be genetic so dental issues with all 3 while unusual, certainly isn't impossible. I would definitely try to get a second opinion.
I am so sorry for the loss of one of your boys and I'm also sorry you're needing to syringe feed them, doing just one is difficult enough, 2 is definitely a challenging! Is it the supreme science recovery food you're using? I find that one needs diluting with a fair bit more water to not block up syringes, although that does mean you'll need to feed more to get the same amount of nutrition in. Personally I swear by a mix of burgess dual care pellets and the oxbow fine grind critical care if you are able to get hold of those, they can be mixed much thicker so makes for smaller, quicker feedings.
Don't forget to look after yourself while you're syringe feeding, being hungry and tired makes an already stressful activity worse and dont forget its ok to put them back for 5 minutes to calm down and take a breath for yourself if they're being difficult and resisting.
I don't think they're from the same litter, but I bought them at the same time. I will try and find out. Yes it is the supreme science one. I will have a look for the two products you suggested. Anything to make it easier. Difficult and resisting? Oh yes. I've had to block half their house off so they can't get to places I can't get to. To say they don't want to co-operate in any way is an understatement.
 
I thought teeth when I saw wet under the chin of the one who died tonight. I then noticed another with wet under the chin. The vet said it couldn't be teeth problems with all three at the same time. I bought them all the boys at the same time, but don't think they're all from the same litter. I can't remember. I remember choosing them but there were a few litters. I could ask Lindsay, who I bought them from. She might remember. The vet had a look at their teeth. Maybe he didn't look close enough? I'm really stressing them keep giving them meds so trying to get a look at the teeth myself may prove difficult. The vet I'm seeing tomorrow is my Avian vet. I think she will examine them more closely than the previous one maybe. I have also found two lumps on one of the pigs (on his back). I found them yesterday. Looks like the first vet missed them. Either that or he felt them and didn't say anything.
Regarding the lumps, could this be the rib cage you can feel? I remember when my previous piggy was sick he was loosing weight and hence his rib cage felt more prominent, I wasn’t sure what it was and the vet said it was this. The vet will be able to get to the bottom of it, they may even have a vet nurse who would be able to look after the piggies for the day, feed them up, give them subcutaneous fluids etc, that’s if they have an inpatient ‘hospital’ area. I have done that once as I had to work it cost about £75. Let us know how the appointment goes it’s so hard when they are sick, I really feel for you x
 
I could go down the post mortem route but it would be expensive. I have baby food in the fridge as I like it (yes I know I'm weird!). Unfortunately I only eat the fruit one's but could try getting some in the morning locally. Yes they are indoor piggies. The pigs are housed in what looks like a big hutch. The boys are at the top and have two levels. The girls are underneath, with two levels. Never the twain shall meet...Should I move the girls? Having said that I don't have anywhere to move them to. I know their houses are bracketed together at the back, so I might be able to separate them and keep them that way maybe.
No need to move them but just be careful to wash hands between seeing to boys and girls . How are they today?
 
Regarding the lumps, could this be the rib cage you can feel? I remember when my previous piggy was sick he was loosing weight and hence his rib cage felt more prominent, I wasn’t sure what it was and the vet said it was this. The vet will be able to get to the bottom of it, they may even have a vet nurse who would be able to look after the piggies for the day, feed them up, give them subcutaneous fluids etc, that’s if they have an inpatient ‘hospital’ area. I have done that once as I had to work it cost about £75. Let us know how the appointment goes it’s so hard when they are sick, I really feel for you x
I saw the vet this morning. She checked them over much more thoroughly than the other vet. She said she would not go down the blood test route with either pig, and was more concerned about Marcus than James. She said Marcus had heart problems. She mentioned antibiotics. I had two choices, take them home or hospitalise them. After a lot of thought I decided to hospitalise them. The vet said the prognosis was guarded.
 
I saw the vet this morning. She checked them over much more thoroughly than the other vet. She said she would not go down the blood test route with either pig, and was more concerned about Marcus than James. She said Marcus had heart problems. She mentioned antibiotics. I had two choices, take them home or hospitalise them. After a lot of thought I decided to hospitalise them. The vet said the prognosis was guarded.
That sounds the best thing for them. Let's hope that they pull through xx
 
I saw the vet this morning. She checked them over much more thoroughly than the other vet. She said she would not go down the blood test route with either pig, and was more concerned about Marcus than James. She said Marcus had heart problems. She mentioned antibiotics. I had two choices, take them home or hospitalise them. After a lot of thought I decided to hospitalise them. The vet said the prognosis was guarded.
I hope they both pull through, it’s always so sad and stressful when they are sick. I’m pleased you got a diagnosis and now they can hopefully treat the problem(s). If it is a heart problem then I can’t see what doing a blood test will tell the vet, so that’s probably why they have said there is no point doing bloods (and putting your boys through that). Antibiotics would only treat an infection, so if it’s something like endocarditis then yes antibiotics are the way to go. Please be aware that piggy’s can’t have penicillin based antibiotics. And those lumps you felt was it the boys rib cage? They will sort them out I’m sure of it, good luck :)
 
:agr: Hope you're ok x
I went to pieces at the vets (twice). I've been watching Coronation Street on ITV3 to take my mind off things. I keep crying. Part of it is because I've lost one pig and may lose the other two, but also I know my dog hasn't got long to live and it's all too much. I've chatted to three friends since I came back from the vets. I'm shattered but can't go to bed till my dog has his last tablet at 12.30. At least I'm not having to set my alarm twice through the night. I'm hoping I get a decent nights sleep. If the phone rings through the night I will know it's bad news.. I'm so glad I joined this forum. The support and advice has been amazing🙂
 
Oh ok, what did the vet say they were?
She didn't say. She did say something interesting though. She thinks they have something rare. She has a very strong Italian accent so sometimes I miss the odd word. It was something along the lines of she has seen (or maybe heard, I can't remember) a case before. The Guinea Pig died, and a post mortem would have been helpful from a scientific point of view but the owner didn't want one.
 
Everything crossed for your 2 boys, I have lost 3 of my girls recently and it's so hard, wouldn't wish it on anyone. They're in the best possible place, I hope you're able to get a good rest soon ❤
 
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