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Tumor

Bunni13

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Hello All!
I have a boar (I'm not sure how old he is as I got him from a neighbor. The vet estimates about 3 or 4 years old).
I noticed about a month or two ago that he was getting swollen on the right side of his muzzle just next to his nose which is causing his eye to leak tears often. He was still behaving normally (eating strong, devouring his chunky pieces of bell pepper, pooping and peeing normal, etc).
I took him to the vet for his check up and she noticed the swelling was not an abscess because it was hard almost like bone and it didn't hurt when it was touched. They recommended putting him under so they could get an xray and a sample for cytology. I was apprehensive but I did it because I wanted to know what was going on with his face.
The image showed a tumor in that area which was almost connected to his muzzle. She told me she couldn't tell exactly what it was until the sample came back from the lab.
I took my boy home and a day or two later I noticed his breathing was labored and shortly after that he was congested and lethargic. He had never gotten sick before. He was fine before his check up.
I rushed him back to the vet explaining what happened. But now it had been a week since they sent his sample to the lab. They told me they had gotten his results back the day before (I was pretty angry) and that "it appears" he has an aggressive carcinoma or sarcoma. I couldn't understand why they didn't know which one for sure. She said he was sick because of the cancer or the anesthesia slowed down his immune system enough that the illness started effecting him. She said surgery was not a viable option as he would most likely die during it as it was too traumatic for his system. She spoke as though she wanted me to put him down right then.
I rejected that, explaining that he was just fine prior to him being put under.
She prescribed him some anti-inflammatory, antibiotic, and a solution for a nebulizer. After about a week on these he returned somewhat to normal. He won't eat bell pepper if it isn't thinly sliced. He won't attack big pieces of hay like he used to, pellets don't excite him like before, and of he hears the treat box he will beg but won't take it once it's presented. When I wipe the swollen side of his face he speaks like it hurts him. He's using the bathroom regularly and drinking fine.
He was on red bell pepper before so I switched it to orange and I started thinly slicing it. He ate it all but idk if that's because I sliced it or because it's a different kind. I'll try slicing the red and try different treats.

I just can't help but think if I never took him for his check up he would be fine. I wouldn't have known it's a tumor on his face but at least he would have been feeling normal. Also, his vet is an exotic vet. I've been taking him and my bunny to them for years and never had an issue.
I just wanted to know if anyone has dealt with anything like this before...
 
I’m so sorry that your boy is unwell. I’ve no experience or advice but wanted to offer support nonetheless. They can be quite affected by anaesthesia so hopefully he is better than before now.

It is a difficult one because it was better to know what’s going on, for his sake and yours. Lots of members on here have had ill piggies who go downhill and the choice has to be made - quality of life or let them rest. No one can tell you the right decision for you. But we can support you whatever you decide.

If he’s enjoying cut thin veg then keep going with it. Is the tumour encroaching in his mouth at all?

Wishing you and your boy all the very best.
 
Sorry to hear your boy is not well, but it's good that he has rallied a bit. The news has not been good, poor boy. If it is an aggressive tumor, you might need to euthanase him before very much longer. It is good to have time to prepare for this, to say your goodbyes and to make the occasion as gentle and comfortable for you both as possible. Nothing can be sadder than going home with an empty carrier. Very sad, sending you comforting vibes.
 
I’m sorry to hear this.
It’s always hard dealing with a terminal diagnosis. The fact is though, he wouldn’t have been fine if you hadn’t taken him - you just wouldn’t have know how unwell he was.

Anaesthetic will knock them for a while but they bounce back. Any ongoing symptoms are going to be because of the tumour not the anaesthetic.

It’s important when you are dealing with an illness or get this kind of diagnosis that you step in with home care. That means switching from the routine weekly weight checks and instead weighing him daily. If he isn’t eating hay then you need to step in and offer top up feeds of recovery feed. You can only do this as long as is fair on him though. In a piggy who is unwell but will recover you support feed for as long as is needed but in your case you sadly need to make the decision as to when he is tired of fighting and he no longer has quality of life.
It’s a hard decision to make to let them go but it is a final act of love.

Is he still on painkillers?
Is he maintaining his weight at each weight check?

A Practical and Sensitive Guide to Dying, Terminal Illness and Euthanasia in Guinea Pigs
All About Syringe Feeding and Medicating Guinea Pigs with Videos and Pictures
 
I’m sorry to hear this.
It’s always hard dealing with a terminal diagnosis. The fact is though, he wouldn’t have been fine if you hadn’t taken him - you just wouldn’t have know how unwell he was.

Anaesthetic will knock them for a while but they bounce back. Any ongoing symptoms are going to be because of the tumour not the anaesthetic.

It’s important when you are dealing with an illness or get this kind of diagnosis that you step in with home care. That means switching from the routine weekly weight checks and instead weighing him daily. If he isn’t eating hay then you need to step in and offer top up feeds of recovery feed. You can only do this as long as is fair on him though. In a piggy who is unwell but will recover you support feed for as long as is needed but in your case you sadly need to make the decision as to when he is tired of fighting and he no longer has quality of life.
It’s a hard decision to make to let them go but it is a final act of love.

Is he still on painkillers?
Is he maintaining his weight at each weight check?

A Practical and Sensitive Guide to Dying, Terminal Illness and Euthanasia in Guinea Pigs
All About Syringe Feeding and Medicating Guinea Pigs with Videos and Pictures
No he's off his meds (he's got 2 more days of antibiotics left). He's eating hay and all of his salad and drinking and he appears to be maintaining his weight. He's not really slowing down either as he likes to explore my room when he gets the chance. I'll be paying more attention to him if he does start to go south though.
 
I’m so sorry that your boy is unwell. I’ve no experience or advice but wanted to offer support nonetheless. They can be quite affected by anaesthesia so hopefully he is better than before now.

It is a difficult one because it was better to know what’s going on, for his sake and yours. Lots of members on here have had ill piggies who go downhill and the choice has to be made - quality of life or let them rest. No one can tell you the right decision for you. But we can support you whatever you decide.

If he’s enjoying cut thin veg then keep going with it. Is the tumour encroaching in his mouth at all?

Wishing you and your boy all the very best.
Not that I can tell but he seems to have trouble eating large cuts of veggies. I've been watching him and he appears to be biting big pieces of hay into manageable sizes. Before he just ate them without shortening them.
 
Hello All!
I have a boar (I'm not sure how old he is as I got him from a neighbor. The vet estimates about 3 or 4 years old).
I noticed about a month or two ago that he was getting swollen on the right side of his muzzle just next to his nose which is causing his eye to leak tears often. He was still behaving normally (eating strong, devouring his chunky pieces of bell pepper, pooping and peeing normal, etc).
I took him to the vet for his check up and she noticed the swelling was not an abscess because it was hard almost like bone and it didn't hurt when it was touched. They recommended putting him under so they could get an xray and a sample for cytology. I was apprehensive but I did it because I wanted to know what was going on with his face.
The image showed a tumor in that area which was almost connected to his muzzle. She told me she couldn't tell exactly what it was until the sample came back from the lab.
I took my boy home and a day or two later I noticed his breathing was labored and shortly after that he was congested and lethargic. He had never gotten sick before. He was fine before his check up.
I rushed him back to the vet explaining what happened. But now it had been a week since they sent his sample to the lab. They told me they had gotten his results back the day before (I was pretty angry) and that "it appears" he has an aggressive carcinoma or sarcoma. I couldn't understand why they didn't know which one for sure. She said he was sick because of the cancer or the anesthesia slowed down his immune system enough that the illness started effecting him. She said surgery was not a viable option as he would most likely die during it as it was too traumatic for his system. She spoke as though she wanted me to put him down right then.
I rejected that, explaining that he was just fine prior to him being put under.
She prescribed him some anti-inflammatory, antibiotic, and a solution for a nebulizer. After about a week on these he returned somewhat to normal. He won't eat bell pepper if it isn't thinly sliced. He won't attack big pieces of hay like he used to, pellets don't excite him like before, and of he hears the treat box he will beg but won't take it once it's presented. When I wipe the swollen side of his face he speaks like it hurts him. He's using the bathroom regularly and drinking fine.
He was on red bell pepper before so I switched it to orange and I started thinly slicing it. He ate it all but idk if that's because I sliced it or because it's a different kind. I'll try slicing the red and try different treats.

I just can't help but think if I never took him for his check up he would be fine. I wouldn't have known it's a tumor on his face but at least he would have been feeling normal. Also, his vet is an exotic vet. I've been taking him and my bunny to them for years and never had an issue.
I just wanted to know if anyone has dealt with anything like this before...

Hi and welcome

BIG HUGS

I am ever so sorry for the horrible news.

Please be aware that your anger is a grieving reaction and not because your vet has done anything wrong. They have followed all the proper procedures. The problem is that the cancer has affected the GA recovery and not the other way round - but without the GA you and your vet would be forced to make any decisions blindly. :(

Diagnostics can show only so much; at least we have them now! I go back long before that and I haven't found it any easier dealing with a decline in the olden days, not knowing what was going on due to a near total lack of research, knowledge and before advanced diagnostics like labs and scans etc. were available for pets.

You also do not know how many other emergencies your vet had to deal with during yesterday's shift, when the lab results came in and how exhausted they were by the end of their shift - or more likely already on overtime - before actually making it as far as reading them.
Vets are one of the hardest working and emotionally demanding professions you can choose, and one of the professions with the highest suicide risk. Reactions like yours are like a blow right into the gut because your vet hasn't caused the cancer, they have been doing their best to work out what exactly is going on and to spare your boy any unnecessary suffering if a recovery is not an option.

We humans are wired to either reflect what is happening right back onto ourselves as guilt or we reflect it outwards as intense anger when we receive a shock, whether that is bad news or a sudden death itself - for us it always turns into an instinctive blame game: it's either us or somebody else at but rare the real culprit: circumstances beyond our control.
Your mind has chosen the second way because you are emotionally not yet ready to accept the result and you are very unhappy that the process of finding out what is going on is already compromised by the ongoing health problem. Your vet has not made your piggy worse. It is what is going on in his body that has made finding a proper diagnosis much more tricky. Guinea pigs are very small animals with a much faster metabolism that in illness is very much turning against them. The cancer is already affecting the whole body and its resilience. :(

Please try to take a deep breath and try to take a step back, as difficult as that is when you are caught up in a true tornado of blind anger, hurt and despair.
The cancer is already clearly causing pain and is starting to increasingly impact on your boy's ability ability to chew and to eat. This process is sadly already underway. With the cancer growing fast and affecting the small body it is only going to speed up from here and the deterioration is likely going to be much quicker than you expect. There is nothing you or a vet can do. The fast metabolism means that everything is happening in fast forward in guinea pigs. Because of that any cancer treatment generally doesn't work for guinea pigs. :(

Please ask yourself how much pain and sickness you want to put your boy through - before your own desire to keep him with you for as long as possible. Guinea pigs are prey animals. They wired to suppress symptoms of illness and pain for as long as possible to an astonishing degree; they will only show them when they are overwhelmed - a visibly ill piggy is prime predator food.
Please try to put your emotional storm to the side as much as you can and think about what is in his own best interest. How far do you really want to take him and how much discomfort and pain do you want to put him through? I am well aware that thinking clearly and making a considered decision is the most difficult thing for you to do right now and I am extremely sorry that you haven't got the leisure to digest it all and prepare emotionally.

I have been there with my Tudur and an unoperable tumour in the thyroid area over the turn of the year. Within 48 hours of me noticing, the lump had gone from a round pinhead to several centimeters in size that was already pressing on the windpipe by the time I could get the first possible emergency slot after the vets reopened to have him put to sleep. It was a frightening experience, and I totally feel for you. My vet agreed that it didn't feel like an absess but more like a cancerous growth and that letting him go was the kindest, if most heart-breaking thing we could do for him. :(

No vet as careful and considered (as your vet seems to be to me, frankly) would make any end of life suggestion lightly and without overwhelming cause; so please do not reject their recommendation of hand. They know what lies ahead in all its gory detail; you don't. Please also accept that what you have left is measured rather in days and that the already very precarious balance can tip for your boy in a matter of mere hours. :( :( :(

I truly wish you weren't in this awful situation. Please see my comments as an attempt to help you deal with the situation in a way that helps both your boy and yourself come through this with the least suffering and the least trauma and regrets possible.

Below are some very practical guides that I have written to help owners deal with all the emotionally hard questions and challenges. The guides haven't been easy to write and I am never happy about the need for linking them into a thread.
Please be aware that your own grieving process has already started and that your current emotional storm is actually part of it.

- A Practical and Sensitive Guide to Dying, Terminal Illness and Euthanasia in Guinea Pigs (deals with all the various end of life scenarios and decisions in detail)

- Human Bereavement: Grieving, Processing and Support Links for Guinea Pig Owners and Their Children (this is for yourself as a help to make more sense of what you yourself are experiencing)

- Looking After a Bereaved Guinea Pig (this is for any companion piggies so you can support them and understand better what they are going through; it will also help to take any unnecessary stress off yourself)

My thoughts are with your poorly boy and you.
 
I’m so sorry you have had this diagnosis for your piggy. I have recently lost my Pepper due to a suspected tumour.

I knew his time with me would be short so I made sure he got lots of cuddles and tasty treats. I also took a few more photos than I would usually. I told myself that once he wouldn’t eat for himself and stopped moving around so much it would be time to help him over the bridge. There was no point keep upping his pain meds just to prolong the inevitable.

I hope your piggy has lots of happy days left with you. Take care. ❤️
 
I’m so sorry that you are in this very sad situation. I’ve had several pigs with terminal conditions over the years and I just focus on making their last days the best that they can be. It’s not easy for us, but they don’t know what we do. I’m always an advocate for better a day too early than a moment too late in terms of deciding when to say goodbye. I never want any furbabe of mine to suffer. It’s a very tough place to be in, dealing with your grief at this diagnosis and the inevitability of your loss to come. Big hugs.
 
I’m so sorry you received this diagnosis. I’ve had two piggies with tumours, one lost just recently. It’s heartbreaking when you know there’s nothing you can do but try to enjoy the time you have with your little chap and make happy memories. Thinking of you x
 
Receiving a terminal diagnosis is a huge shock.
It feels as if the bottom has fallen out of the world.
This shock is part of grieving.
Holding you in my heart ❤️
 
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