Two Boars Bonding And Bullying

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Hello :)

I have few questions for more experinced owners. I had guinea pigs twice many years ago, but there were living alone. Now I have two boars and no experience. I would like to share my obserwations and ask if it is normal or I have a reason to worry.

Few weeks ago I bought a boar in pet shop. He was alone, because he was much bigger than other pigs, in another cage were sows so he was separated. I bought him because he was cute and nobody wanted him - almost everybody wishes to buy very small animals. We call thi boar Toffee. I think he is few months old, he weighs 600g (1,3 lb). This Friday I adopted another boar from non-profit organization which saved him from very bad conditions few months ago. New boar is called Blacky. He is 10 months old, all live lived with other pigs. Unfortunately I don't know how Toffe behaves in company, so the organization recommended me Blacky as very calm, peaceful pig who doesn't argue. I brought him home and decided to arrange first meeting on Saturday.

I prepared a lot of space (2x3m), towels, food, hosuse etc. in room where no pig was before. First hour was quite intensive, boars were "talking" with each other, chattering, marking the area and running. I didn't intervere, beacuse they didn't fight. After about one hour the hierarchy was clear - the younter Toffee is dominant, Blacky is really calm and can not be provoked. They are not agressive to each other. Toffee was showing domination all the time - pissing, purring, slowly walking near Blacky and humping sometimes. After about 5-6 hour I decided to move boars to coach - new place for both of them. They were a little bit tired and finally lay near to each other. They were really relaxed. After next hour I had to move them to their new cage - DIY wooden cage 120x60cm with floor 45x50cm. They were sleeping in "bed" (plastic basket with a blanket) in one corner. After that Toffee started to show domination again. He was pushing Blacky from food, boils, water, "bed". Blacky was tired so I decided to move him on the cage's floor (Toffee didn't know he can go upstairs), Blacky was sleeping there almost all night (with water and food of course) and walk down early morning, and Toffee started to dominate him again. He is chasing him, pissing on him, pushing from everything Toffee wants. When Toffee is eating from one bowl (one corner of cage) and Blacky starts to eat from another one (in another corner), Toffee is pushing him, purring and chasing. Then he starts to eat from the bowl Blacky did. It looks like bullying for me. Pigs have open cage and can run in the part of our living room, have a lot of space (cage and about 2x3m of free space in room). I prepared houses and a lot of toys and food in different places to distract them a little bit. Toffee shows his domination all he time, they had few 30-40 min. breaks only. Sometimes eat together for a while, but soon Toffee starts to chase Blacky and shows the all food belongs to him. Toffee is "talking" all the time (I am tired of that ;) ), purring, marking the area, chattering sometimes and humping from time to time or on Blacky. Sometimes they just seat near to each other and nothing happens, but it takes 5-10 minutes only... I do not separate them, because they are not biting or fighting, just running, but I don't know what to do now. Is this okay? Will they like each other finally? How long it can be like that? Blacky seems to be a little bit tired (he is bigger and fatter), but he is not very stressed, he doesn't panic - it looks like he is avoiding interaction. Toffee is focused on dominating, I don't want to let him to be a bully and terror Blacky forever.

PS. Boars are not emasculated (castrated).
 
It sounds fine for the time being. No fighting or serious attacks, so it sounds like it's going well. Dominance goes on for a couple of weeks I think. Maybe leave them to it at night rather than moving Blacky upstairs. It might be that Toffee starts to think of downstairs as his territory. Mine still do some chasing and occasional chattering, and they have been together since birth.
 
Hello :)

I have few questions for more experinced owners. I had guinea pigs twice many years ago, but there were living alone. Now I have two boars and no experience. I would like to share my obserwations and ask if it is normal or I have a reason to worry.

Few weeks ago I bought a boar in pet shop. He was alone, because he was much bigger than other pigs, in another cage were sows so he was separated. I bought him because he was cute and nobody wanted him - almost everybody wishes to buy very small animals. We call thi boar Toffee. I think he is few months old, he weighs 600g (1,3 lb). This Friday I adopted another boar from non-profit organization which saved him from very bad conditions few months ago. New boar is called Blacky. He is 10 months old, all live lived with other pigs. Unfortunately I don't know how Toffe behaves in company, so the organization recommended me Blacky as very calm, peaceful pig who doesn't argue. I brought him home and decided to arrange first meeting on Saturday.

I prepared a lot of space (2x3m), towels, food, hosuse etc. in room where no pig was before. First hour was quite intensive, boars were "talking" with each other, chattering, marking the area and running. I didn't intervere, beacuse they didn't fight. After about one hour the hierarchy was clear - the younter Toffee is dominant, Blacky is really calm and can not be provoked. They are not agressive to each other. Toffee was showing domination all the time - pissing, purring, slowly walking near Blacky and humping sometimes. After about 5-6 hour I decided to move boars to coach - new place for both of them. They were a little bit tired and finally lay near to each other. They were really relaxed. After next hour I had to move them to their new cage - DIY wooden cage 120x60cm with floor 45x50cm. They were sleeping in "bed" (plastic basket with a blanket) in one corner. After that Toffee started to show domination again. He was pushing Blacky from food, boils, water, "bed". Blacky was tired so I decided to move him on the cage's floor (Toffee didn't know he can go upstairs), Blacky was sleeping there almost all night (with water and food of course) and walk down early morning, and Toffee started to dominate him again. He is chasing him, pissing on him, pushing from everything Toffee wants. When Toffee is eating from one bowl (one corner of cage) and Blacky starts to eat from another one (in another corner), Toffee is pushing him, purring and chasing. Then he starts to eat from the bowl Blacky did. It looks like bullying for me. Pigs have open cage and can run in the part of our living room, have a lot of space (cage and about 2x3m of free space in room). I prepared houses and a lot of toys and food in different places to distract them a little bit. Toffee shows his domination all he time, they had few 30-40 min. breaks only. Sometimes eat together for a while, but soon Toffee starts to chase Blacky and shows the all food belongs to him. Toffee is "talking" all the time (I am tired of that ;) ), purring, marking the area, chattering sometimes and humping from time to time or on Blacky. Sometimes they just seat near to each other and nothing happens, but it takes 5-10 minutes only... I do not separate them, because they are not biting or fighting, just running, but I don't know what to do now. Is this okay? Will they like each other finally? How long it can be like that? Blacky seems to be a little bit tired (he is bigger and fatter), but he is not very stressed, he doesn't panic - it looks like he is avoiding interaction. Toffee is focused on dominating, I don't want to let him to be a bully and terror Blacky forever.

PS. Boars are not emasculated (castrated).

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Hi, thank you for the replies. Wiebke, I read both guides, the first one is very helpful, now I see everthing is okay and I need to wait. I removed bed, towels, bowls etc. from the cage and Toffee is a little bit calmer. They were sleeping in one corner almost all night without a rush.
I will put bowls with food few times per day and remove again when they finish to eat. They have a lot of hey and herbs all the time and I also offer them vegetables 2x per day. I will weight Blacky regularly to control if he eats enough. Other acessories will be put during 2 weeks, when they be calmer and Toffe will be bored of showing his position all the time. I hope everthing will be fine :-)
 
Hi, thank you for the replies. Wiebke, I read both guides, the first one is very helpful, now I see everthing is okay and I need to wait. I removed bed, towels, bowls etc. from the cage and Toffee is a little bit calmer. They were sleeping in one corner almost all night without a rush.
I will put bowls with food few times per day and remove again when they finish to eat. They have a lot of hey and herbs all the time and I also offer them vegetables 2x per day. I will weight Blacky regularly to control if he eats enough. Other acessories will be put during 2 weeks, when they be calmer and Toffe will be bored of showing his position all the time. I hope everthing will be fine :-)

With boars it is advisable to have only hideys with two exits at all times. Mine live with log and fleece tunnels. ;)
 
I will order tunnel and make them hideys from boxes, hpe they will like it. Toffee is a little bit calmer, he allows Blacky to sleep ;-) But he still shows his domination almost all the time (purring, chasing, he is first everywhere) . He is not agressive (there are no fight), just mean and invasive. He is stealing him food. How can I help them? I give Toffe to eat first, he gets his food and starts to eat, then I give Blacky his portion, and Toffe steals it...
 
I will order tunnel and make them hideys from boxes, hpe they will like it. Toffee is a little bit calmer, he allows Blacky to sleep ;-) But he still shows his domination almost all the time (purring, chasing, he is first everywhere) . He is not agressive (there are no fight), just mean and invasive. He is stealing him food. How can I help them? I give Toffe to eat first, he gets his food and starts to eat, then I give Blacky his portion, and Toffe steals it...

Feed them either with three bowls that are as far from each other as possible or in a place where you can have a little divider in between. Only feed as much veg and pellets as they can eat in one sitting and remove the bowls in between. Also have hay in two places; it makes up to 80% of the daily food intake, so it is important that access cannot be blocked.
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I have 4 places with hay when I give them fresh portion of it, Toffee pushes Blacky from all of them. Blacky moves from place to place and tries to eat. It looks funny but also sad... Sometimes they eat together for a while. I will try 3rd bowl to distract them, but I think they will just move from bowl to bowl. I see Blacky usually goes from Toffee's road and avoid interaction.
Yesterday I moved them for a while to another room, as I had to open window for fresh air and there is very cold outside. They were soooo calm and sitting very close (body to body) in one corner.
 
Actually I have some new observations of my boars. Boys are together for almost one week and there is still big tension. They live together but separately - Blacky sleeps at night upstairs, Toffee - downstairs. Blacky mostly avoids interactions, moves from Toffee's way or runs away even when Toffee just moves (to bowl for example). I dont know if Blacky is so scared or bullied, or he just shows his submission and it is absolutely normal. I have no experience with piggies in pair. Many times every day Toffee purrs and walks very slow near Blacky, chases him oftten without any reason and sometimes nipping (Blacky always run away squeaking). I didnt see any serious bite marks on Blacky's back or face, there are some little scabs on the back - I cant say if it is fresh or this happened in his previous home (he was living with other boar or boars). He has totally black skin and it is hard to recognize anything.
I noticed that they are calmer when cage is open and they have more space. But after about an hour Toffee starts again and chases, nipping Blacky often.
Blacky doesnt look depressed, he eats well, he is interested in many thing in the room. But he doesnt look happy at all. I will try to make a video and upload it.

I would like to ask if this behaviour is okay. Is it caused by hormones? How long it can take? Maybe the most frustrated person is me - I saw so many pictures and videos of well bonded piggies and when I see my boys I am very sad and worrued, and sometimes I think the adoption was really bad decision, maybe Toffee should live alone. I dont know? Blacky is so calm, peaceful, lovely pig. Toffee is more crazy, a little bit mean also to me. I like both very much and want them to be happy.
 
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