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Two sick piggies

Riley0525

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Hi my name is lisa this is the first time I have written anything on any forum in my life, so forgive me if I make any mistakes.
I rescued two 3 year old male pigs, Paul and Phil from my neighbors children who were not taking care of them. I didn’t intend on keeping them (as an adult women with no kids I thought owning guinea pigs would look strange). Well it didn’t take long and I fell in love and I am proud to say I have piggies! Husbandry-
I made a 6’ x 3.5’ two level walnut cage, the second level is a hay loft
I use fleece instead of shavings for the bottom of the cage and I have unlimited amounts of Timothy hay (I buy it by the bale) for them to eat/ play or poop in.
I buy them lots of chew toys like pine cones, sticks, Timothy huts, grass huts all kinds of tunnels and caves for hiding. All Guinea pig safe.
Diet-
1/8 cup of pellets and one cup of fresh veggies per pig per day.
The usual veggies are green or red leaf lettuce, endive, cucumber and red bell pepper. The food I mix in for variety are carrots, corn, cilantro, parsley, tomatoes, rainbow chard and green beans.
They also get a oxbow vitamin c cookie daily
I keep their cage very clean and Change their fleece pads and litter boxes daily.
Health problems-
On 10/1I noticed Paul sneezing / coughing I watched for a couple more days and he began wheezing.
10/4 I took Paul to an exotic vet and he was prescribed trimeth sulfa and ciprofloxacin
Four days later I saw no improvement, back to the vet. Paul was given doxycycline and enrofloxaxin.
Mean while my other piggy was sleeping a lot and had smaller than usual poop. On 10/8 while Phil was asleep I noticed poop sticking out of his rear end so off to the vet we went. The vet said he didn’t seem bloated but with the behavior I described he suspected stasis. Paul was given fluids, meloxicam, cisapride and critical care.
Sadly neither of my babies are getting better. Paul coughs about 4 x’s a day, he sounds worse and is to be wheezing louder. He is eating and drinking but sleeping more. Phil is sleeping a lot more and I don’t know if his tummy feels hard. He is defecating but the size is still small (he’s not eating as much) and I did see him straining once. he’s not drinking water and I try to give him water via syringe but seems like the water ends up down the sides of his sweet little face (any tips?) I do have success with feeding the critical care.
My questions are-
if Phil is pooping and eating does that mean he is not in stasis or bloat?
Should I be giving him his veggies and pellets or should he be limited to hay and critical care right now. Does this sound like stasis?
Paul- the doctor wants to take X-rays, a blood etc. Unfortunately I was laid off of work and I have already spent $500 and I don’t have another $400 -$600.
Does this sound like Paul does have uri?
I don’t know what else to do for my boys, this is killing me. If anyone has any advice please let me know.
-Thank you
Lisa, Paul and Phill
 
Hi, and I'm so sorry for your woes. One of the health experts will be along soon. I only have a couple of suggestions (and btw I'm also a grown-up and although I have teens my pigs are definitely my pigs!)

It's only really when pigs have soft poops or diarrhoea that we stop the veggies. If you suspect bloat them some veggies and fruit can make it worse (like brassicas) but if it's not bloat and he's just eating less hay for some reason then you do want him to keep eating so veggies are good. The poop runs a day or two behind eating so a good way to monitor them is to weigh them at the same time each day on kitchen scales (we tend to work in grams here) and see if they are maintaining their weight or how much they are losing. You have to be a bit careful syringing water - it's often better to make the CC a bit runnier to up his fluids as it is easier for them to manage without inhaling.

I once had a piggy that was being syringed for a number of weeks because she couldn't eat anything at all. She needed about 45ml a day to maintain her weight of about 1 kilo - but poops weren't normal on that, it was just about enough to keep her ticking over. If you can get a pig to take nearer 60ml it really gets those guts going - but of course this is for a pig eating nothing at all. I'm not sure how much he's eating so you'll be guessing how much to 'top-up'. Weighing helps a lot here.

It's definitely a lung infection? Did the vet listen to breathing? He's not inhaling dusty hay or anything like that?

My vet does x-ray by swaddling piggy in a towel - they don't use general anaesthetic which is a big thing for a little animal. Tbh that's what I would be worrying about at this point. I'm assuming a GA will be involved as they want to take bloods? Who do they want to x-ray and what will they be looking for?

Good luck x
 
Hello and welcome to the forum. I’m so sorry both of your piggies are poorly. I don’t have experience of these illnesses but just wanted to say well done for taking them on and giving them a great life. I hope someone comes along soon with some advice. I too am an adult with grown up kids and the piggies are mine. ❤️
 
Hi my name is lisa this is the first time I have written anything on any forum in my life, so forgive me if I make any mistakes.
I rescued two 3 year old male pigs, Paul and Phil from my neighbors children who were not taking care of them. I didn’t intend on keeping them (as an adult women with no kids I thought owning guinea pigs would look strange). Well it didn’t take long and I fell in love and I am proud to say I have piggies! Husbandry-
I made a 6’ x 3.5’ two level walnut cage, the second level is a hay loft
I use fleece instead of shavings for the bottom of the cage and I have unlimited amounts of Timothy hay (I buy it by the bale) for them to eat/ play or poop in.
I buy them lots of chew toys like pine cones, sticks, Timothy huts, grass huts all kinds of tunnels and caves for hiding. All Guinea pig safe.
Diet-
1/8 cup of pellets and one cup of fresh veggies per pig per day.
The usual veggies are green or red leaf lettuce, endive, cucumber and red bell pepper. The food I mix in for variety are carrots, corn, cilantro, parsley, tomatoes, rainbow chard and green beans.
They also get a oxbow vitamin c cookie daily
I keep their cage very clean and Change their fleece pads and litter boxes daily.
Health problems-
On 10/1I noticed Paul sneezing / coughing I watched for a couple more days and he began wheezing.
10/4 I took Paul to an exotic vet and he was prescribed trimeth sulfa and ciprofloxacin
Four days later I saw no improvement, back to the vet. Paul was given doxycycline and enrofloxaxin.
Mean while my other piggy was sleeping a lot and had smaller than usual poop. On 10/8 while Phil was asleep I noticed poop sticking out of his rear end so off to the vet we went. The vet said he didn’t seem bloated but with the behavior I described he suspected stasis. Paul was given fluids, meloxicam, cisapride and critical care.
Sadly neither of my babies are getting better. Paul coughs about 4 x’s a day, he sounds worse and is to be wheezing louder. He is eating and drinking but sleeping more. Phil is sleeping a lot more and I don’t know if his tummy feels hard. He is defecating but the size is still small (he’s not eating as much) and I did see him straining once. he’s not drinking water and I try to give him water via syringe but seems like the water ends up down the sides of his sweet little face (any tips?) I do have success with feeding the critical care.
My questions are-
if Phil is pooping and eating does that mean he is not in stasis or bloat?
Should I be giving him his veggies and pellets or should he be limited to hay and critical care right now. Does this sound like stasis?
Paul- the doctor wants to take X-rays, a blood etc. Unfortunately I was laid off of work and I have already spent $500 and I don’t have another $400 -$600.
Does this sound like Paul does have uri?
I don’t know what else to do for my boys, this is killing me. If anyone has any advice please let me know.
-Thank you
Lisa, Paul and Phill

Hi and welcome

Has your vet checked for a possible heart issue re. the wheezing and coughing if it is not a pneumonia that is unfortunately resistent to many antibiotics and that would take a lab test and an x-ray to figure out what is going on? Please step in with support feeding. Doxycycline can be an appetite killer as it is together with baytril (enrofloxacin) impacting on the gut microbiome more than some other antibiotics.

If Phil is pooing and eating, then the gut is moving. Unfortunately, I can't tell you what is going on due to lack of access and information. There is too much that can play into this.

I would however check whether a gas leak (monoxide poisoning) could be at the bottom. Piggies react much sooner than adults; it results in vague symptoms like lethargy, decreased appetite (hence the small poos and the need to supplement feed) and can also lead to respiratory symptoms.

Here is our information on how to look after very ill guinea pigs:
Emergency Resources and Critical Illness Care - Contents list and subforum link
Not Eating, Weight Loss And The Importance Of Syringe Feeding Fibre
Digestive Disorders: Diarrhea - Bloat - GI Stasis (No Gut Movement) And Not Eating

New Guinea Pig Problems: Sexing & Pregnancy; URI, Ringworm & Parasites; Vet Checks & Customer Rights

What I would recommend however in view of your situation is to please contact Wee Companions rescue in your city. You are lucky because it is one of the highly reputed guinea pig rescues in your state. They have more experience and resources than you to give Paul and Phil a chance to survive.

You have done great to take them on. Please don't see it as a fail of yours but as you being the crucial link in getting them to the place they need to be right now to save them. Sometimes, you come up against a problem that exceeds your capabilities; stepping back and ensuring that the animals in your care get what they need beyond what you can provide is a sign of having a big heart that is greater than your pride. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with your care. You have just been unlucky to pick up the bill for the neglect they have suffered before they have come to you.
PS: You could ask the rescue whether you can adopt a healthy pair of piggies from them instead (helping to make space at the rescue Paul and Phil) or whether you could adopt the boys back when they are ready.
The rescue will insist on minimal welfare standards comparable those we support on this forum but it sounds like you are going to pass on that without major difficulties because there is nothing wrong with your care! :)
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I am keeping my fingers very firmly crossed for these two!
PS: We are mostly adult women (and a few men) who very much love our piggies, so you are in the right place for that. We are also a friendly and supportive forum with members from all over the world.
 
Welcome to the forum
So sorry Phil and Paul are both poorly, hope they get better soon x
 
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