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I have a poorly piggie. She has been visiting the vet for at least 6 weeks now. It began as suspected respiratory illness, rapid loss of weight to skin and bone in about a week, despite critical care. Was suspected that I may have an endemic illness in my clan as fourth pig to go down with similar circumstances in last two years. I've changed bedding, cleaning routines, everything. No stone left unturned. On X-rays of previous piggie there have been enlarged hearts and black cavities where the lungs should show up. This little lady however was so thin we couldn't risk X-rays to start with until she gained weight. Vet advised adding porridge oats or baby porridge to critical care mix and it worked. Her X-rays then surprisingly showed a normal heart (relief) and her lungs were showing illness but not as drastic as we first suspected. She has been up and down weight wise though. Can't seem to keep it on and gain any. To cap it all, the wee thing now has diarrhoea a lost constantly. Every time I check on her she seems to be sat in large quantities of it. It's constantly stuck to her feet and underbelly. She's thoroughly fed up with me washing it gently off and drying her!
Suggestions please as to what I can try to help her? Does she need preboitics and Probiotics and if so what do I give from what source and where do I get it? She's only been touching little or no hay, worryingly, the regular food I use is Nature's Touch and there is never a scrap of it left or wasted with all 17 of my piggies. She is currently only foraging through this and eating some of it and she has constant access to water, critical care which she adores warm, and excel dual care. I have given fresh tomatoes and curly kale and tiny amounts of carrot and tops and beetroot and tops, some cauliflower an cabbage leaf but tiny amounts to help keep her teeth in good shape with her not touching much if any hay. Also readigrass. I am avoiding softer fresh greens such as spinach, corriander, parsley, etc. She tries to nibble her celeriac and Fennell. I don't know what I should be giving and should be avoiding. She is only on metacam now, last two weeks, and back at vet on Tuesday. She always want her food but when I go Say hello to them all, she is sat in her quarantine cage, all alone, and looking so miserable and her eyes are beginning to look dull, as I imagine I would feel if I had constant diarrhoea.
Please, can anyone offer me advice and help?
 
I have a poorly piggie. She has been visiting the vet for at least 6 weeks now. It began as suspected respiratory illness, rapid loss of weight to skin and bone in about a week, despite critical care. Was suspected that I may have an endemic illness in my clan as fourth pig to go down with similar circumstances in last two years. I've changed bedding, cleaning routines, everything. No stone left unturned. On X-rays of previous piggie there have been enlarged hearts and black cavities where the lungs should show up. This little lady however was so thin we couldn't risk X-rays to start with until she gained weight. Vet advised adding porridge oats or baby porridge to critical care mix and it worked. Her X-rays then surprisingly showed a normal heart (relief) and her lungs were showing illness but not as drastic as we first suspected. She has been up and down weight wise though. Can't seem to keep it on and gain any. To cap it all, the wee thing now has diarrhoea a lost constantly. Every time I check on her she seems to be sat in large quantities of it. It's constantly stuck to her feet and underbelly. She's thoroughly fed up with me washing it gently off and drying her!
Suggestions please as to what I can try to help her? Does she need preboitics and Probiotics and if so what do I give from what source and where do I get it? She's only been touching little or no hay, worryingly, the regular food I use is Nature's Touch and there is never a scrap of it left or wasted with all 17 of my piggies. She is currently only foraging through this and eating some of it and she has constant access to water, critical care which she adores warm, and excel dual care. I have given fresh tomatoes and curly kale and tiny amounts of carrot and tops and beetroot and tops, some cauliflower an cabbage leaf but tiny amounts to help keep her teeth in good shape with her not touching much if any hay. Also readigrass. I am avoiding softer fresh greens such as spinach, corriander, parsley, etc. She tries to nibble her celeriac and Fennell. I don't know what I should be giving and should be avoiding. She is only on metacam now, last two weeks, and back at vet on Tuesday. She always want her food but when I go Say hello to them all, she is sat in her quarantine cage, all alone, and looking so miserable and her eyes are beginning to look dull, as I imagine I would feel if I had constant diarrhoea.
Please, can anyone offer me advice and help?

Hi and welcome!

Can you please try a mix of mushed up pellets and critical care to help stabilise the guts again? She may need more feed than you expect to give her enough fibre. Porridge oats are not ideal long term as they are made from seeds. Make sure that you offer plenty of water, as much as she wants. No fresh veg until the poos have firmed up again.
Try fibreplax (which contains probiotics, too) to help steady the guts, but you can add more probiotics, too.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide (includes tips for amounts and supportive care products, including fibreplex)

If you have still other healthy guinea pigs, then I would additionally recommend syringing poo soup, which you make by soaking fresh healthy poos from another guinea pig in a little water which you then syringe. it contains all the right bacteria and fibre to help restart the guts and mimics natural behaviour.

Please keep her on absorbent material that you can change 2-3 times daily and if necessary wash. Vetbed is very good, as it is very absorbent and kind on sore feet and the undercarriage.
Guinea Lynx :: Urine Scald

I am very sorry for your predicament. No idea what is causing the condition, but I hope that your girl can pull through. it is always tough when you have got a mystery bug making the rounds in a bigger herd.
@Abi_nurse @furryfriends (TEAS)
 
Wiebke has provided some very good advice. As hard as this is I would recommend not giving any fresh vegetables as this will not be helping the diarrhea.

I would also ensure you are providing additional liquids to stop dehydration.
 
I have read that beetroot tops can be fatal to guinea pigs as it can cause a build up of toxins - I have just googled it and on previous forum posts it says owners have occasionally fed it with no ill affects - but I would steer clear of it.
 
Would your vet be willing to make further tests? One of my piggies used to have persistent diarrhea, which just wouldn't go away and be exacerbated from antibiotics. The vet did a fecal float test and a microscopic examination of a fresh stool sample, immediately noticing a proliferation of some bacteria and unusual cluster-like structures. After that, we also did a culture, and I had another (private human) lab check for viruses and fungus. It turned out to be a strain of streptococcus that was resistant to piggy-safe antibiotics, and giving antibiotics like baytril had additionally destroyed the healthy bacteria living in the stomach. The piggy died a few months later from pneumonia, but for a while we managed to mostly defeat the diarrhea with a small daily does of diosmectite (guinea lynx refers to this as biosponge, which isn't available in the EU as an animal product, but is marketed as a pediatric remedy for diarrhea) and activated charcoal, lots small animal probiotics added daily to his food and/or water, and ranitidine given only if he was in pain or was developing bloat. His cage-mate never got infected, and I never found out what had brought in the streptococcus.

If I were you, I'd also get a urine sample, because urine samples are obtained painlessly and the piggy doesn't get stressed. Who knows, something useful may come up in the urine test and point your vet in the right direction. Our vet also manages to get blood samples relatively easily without anesthetic from the front leg vein, but that's not as stress-free as the fecal and urine sample, so I'd leave it as a last resort.
 
Wow. So much fantastic advice! Thank you everybody. It was a previous fantastic vet hat told me beet tops were good to give and my lot relish them. But Sheridan will be fully vet free till I have her on the mend. And of course it makes sense to offer the poo mix, thank you for pointing that out. I have her on vet bed with a fleece blanket and she comes in and gets out as she wishes. I am using gorgeous guineas kwench lotion and sometimes f&m ointment on her little feet and tum to combat the urine scald. I am taking my laptop with me to the vets tomorrow in the hopes it works so she can read for herself all the brilliant advice you have all offered, especially bloods without anaesthesia. She dropped so much weight the vet only dared to do a light sedation for the x rays and bring her round fast. We should have got bloods as we had talked earlier of it. I just need to look up the probiotics an get some.
Thank you all so much for this invaluable help. I will keep you posted on Sheridan's progress.
 
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Hi and welcome!

Can you please try a mix of mushed up pellets and critical care to help stabilise the guts again? She may need more feed than you expect to give her enough fibre. Porridge oats are not ideal long term as they are made from seeds. Make sure that you offer plenty of water, as much as she wants. No fresh veg until the poos have firmed up again.
Try fibreplax (which contains probiotics, too) to help steady the guts, but you can add more probiotics, too.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide (includes tips for amounts and supportive care products, including fibreplex)

If you have still other healthy guinea pigs, then I would additionally recommend syringing poo soup, which you make by soaking fresh healthy poos from another guinea pig in a little water which you then syringe. it contains all the right bacteria and fibre to help restart the guts and mimics natural behaviour.

Please keep her on absorbent material that you can change 2-3 times daily and if necessary wash. Vetbed is very good, as it is very absorbent and kind on sore feet and the undercarriage.
Guinea Lynx :: Urine Scald

I am very sorry for your predicament. No idea what is causing the condition, but I hope that your girl can pull through. it is always tough when you have got a mystery bug making the rounds in a bigger herd.
@Abi_nurse @furryfriends (TEAS)
Thank you very much for all this advice. I'm onto it!
 
Hi and welcome!

Can you please try a mix of mushed up pellets and critical care to help stabilise the guts again? She may need more feed than you expect to give her enough fibre. Porridge oats are not ideal long term as they are made from seeds. Make sure that you offer plenty of water, as much as she wants. No fresh veg until the poos have firmed up again.
Try fibreplax (which contains probiotics, too) to help steady the guts, but you can add more probiotics, too.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide (includes tips for amounts and supportive care products, including fibreplex)

If you have still other healthy guinea pigs, then I would additionally recommend syringing poo soup, which you make by soaking fresh healthy poos from another guinea pig in a little water which you then syringe. it contains all the right bacteria and fibre to help restart the guts and mimics natural behaviour.

Please keep her on absorbent material that you can change 2-3 times daily and if necessary wash. Vetbed is very good, as it is very absorbent and kind on sore feet and the undercarriage.
Guinea Lynx :: Urine Scald

I am very sorry for your predicament. No idea what is causing the condition, but I hope that your girl can pull through. it is always tough when you have got a mystery bug making the rounds in a bigger herd.
@Abi_nurse @furryfriends (TEAS)
Hello again. This may sound an odd question but does it matter if the poo soup is made from male or female poos for a female piggie? Just thinking hormones Lol. And what advice can you offer me to keep her teeth in check? We have already had to file them the other week when she was sedated as uneven wear front and back, probably because she's not chewing her hay.
 
I don't think the sex of the piggy donating "material" for the poop soup matters.

Regarding teeth wear, I'd always go for mulberry tree branches, if she likes them. Why is she not chewing her hay - it really is the best for teeth wear?
 
Sorry, I just realized I had reported incorrect information. Our vets use the hind leg veins for blood sampling, and the front legs for placing a central line. I was in the room when they did both, but I was a bit stressed and got them confused. It is indeed stressful for piggies to have their blood drawn, I think the smell of their own blood kind of terrifies them. However, our vet anesthetizes only as a last resort and uses some kind of restraining hideys/tunnels, in which the pig cannot move at all, and then works fast to have the procedure done as quickly as possible.
 
I don't think the sex of the piggy donating "material" for the poop soup matters.

Regarding teeth wear, I'd always go for mulberry tree branches, if she likes them. Why is she not chewing her hay - it really is the best for teeth wear?
Hi RosieMaia. Thank you fo your wonderful help and advice. I just spent 10 minutes answering you and updating how my girl is doing. I don't know if you got it or not as when I posted it, it dropped connection. I will update tomorrow. Xx
 
Hi and welcome!

Can you please try a mix of mushed up pellets and critical care to help stabilise the guts again? She may need more feed than you expect to give her enough fibre. Porridge oats are not ideal long term as they are made from seeds. Make sure that you offer plenty of water, as much as she wants. No fresh veg until the poos have firmed up again.
Try fibreplax (which contains probiotics, too) to help steady the guts, but you can add more probiotics, too.
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide (includes tips for amounts and supportive care products, including fibreplex)

If you have still other healthy guinea pigs, then I would additionally recommend syringing poo soup, which you make by soaking fresh healthy poos from another guinea pig in a little water which you then syringe. it contains all the right bacteria and fibre to help restart the guts and mimics natural behaviour.

Please keep her on absorbent material that you can change 2-3 times daily and if necessary wash. Vetbed is very good, as it is very absorbent and kind on sore feet and the undercarriage.
Guinea Lynx :: Urine Scald

I am very sorry for your predicament. No idea what is causing the condition, but I hope that your girl can pull through. it is always tough when you have got a mystery bug making the rounds in a bigger herd.
@Abi_nurse @furryfriends (TEAS)
Hello again. Will update again properly tomorrow. Just wondered if you could tell me how to use the fibreplex? Link o here says to follow instructions on box. Box says give 1ml per kg of bodyweight three times a day. The prescription label instructions says please give one graduation as needed? Never used it before, so your help once again would be very much appreciated. X
 
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