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Velvet has been bleeding

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To be honest i just wanna run home and cuddle her so much.......but i'm stuck here at work :<>
I'm trying to be positive but i just knew in my mind that something like that would have to be 'not good' i just hoped......
She just doesn't deserve this, firstly the cataracts and then the diabetes....why?
Dam sorry i'm a bit teary.......
 
Aww hunny I know it's not fair at all. But you have been very diligent with taking care of her and getting her to the vets quickly. She's a lucky girl to have such a caring mummy! I'm sure that things will turn out well, but in the mean time give her lots of cuddles!
 
I could be wrong but what I made out of all of that is suspicion of cancer but it's contained within the cellular make up of whät came out of her. So if it's reproductive tract tissue and it's contained and not spred. So thus I would thing if her reproductive system is removed shed be in the clear. Of course I'm not a doc and all those big words do make you go cross eyed , it's possible I misinterpreted something.
It may just be she's a lucky lil piggy and her body spit out the very mass that's cancerous (if it Is cancerous) and after a spay shell be right as rain.
We can all hope and pray!Awwww hugs and piggy smoochies, and no apologies for being upset! Your a brilliant caring piggy mum, if you weren't upset we'd be concerned about you!
 
Aw Glynis, all that gobldy gook made no sense to me, i just wanted to send more kisses and healing vibes x
 
I do not understand that report. :( I did read her cells were healthy though which has to be a good thing surely.
 
I'm sorry that Velvet is poorly Glynis, hopefully the report makes it sound worse than it is with all those big words.
Sending lots of healing vibes and wheeky wheeks for Velvet and big hugs for you Glynis x
 
Glynis said:
Specimen: small piece of soft tissue measuring approx. 1.5cm x 0.5cm, six impression smears made

Cytology: the slides are highly cellular and of excellent quality. i.e. a good sample

Numerous heterophils are present, these are the body's defence cells that eat up bacteria creating an inflammatory reaction and sometimes pus both viable and degenerate, to be expected - cells do die and that's what creates the pus! and there are moderate numbers of bacteria, appearing as fine coccobacilli, will help identify the bug and enable seletion of the right antibiotic which are mostly extracellular so not a bug that invades and hides within cells like for instance TB bacillus but also sometimes identified with heterophil cytoplasm good as it means the heterophiles are doing their job of eating * the bacteria - let's hope they are also destroying them.

Wtihin the background, there is a moderate amount of blood with meoderate nubmers of plump spindle cells

spindle cells are the body's natural response to injury and inflammation - it is the connective tissue gearing itself up to heal itslf
and frequent small to medium sized clusters of pleomorphic different shapespolygonal many sidedcells of suspected epithelial origin. epithelial cells are the outmost layer of cells in a mucous membrane/skin

These cells contain oval to angular nuclei with moderate anisolkaryosis, nuclei of different sizes moderate to maked karyomegaly, and some nucelie are quite big coarse chromatin, may or may mot be significantoccasional nuclear molding this is a characteristic of malignant cells where a densely packed cluster of cells distort the nuceli in adjacent cellsand small prominent necleoli which are often multiple. again - depending uon the tissue this can be indicative that the cells are becoming malignant Cytoplasm is poorly defined, moderate and lightly basophilic.

Interpretation: Septice suppurative inflammation with suspected underlying carcinoma, see comment

Comments: cytology indicated a prominent heterophil inflammatory reaction which includes both intracellular and extracellular bacteria, indicative of bacterial infection. This is not uncommon in diabetic anminals as gluco... (sorry can't read this word) can provice a growth medium for bacterial. There are additional cells in the background which appear to be both epithelial and spindle cell in origin. The spindle cells could be reactive and are the less prominent cellular component. The epithelial cells are forming aggregates which are sometimes highly atypical. Interpretation of such cells is cautions, as inflammation can readily induce dysplastic change in surround cells, however there is quite a lot of pleomorphism in these cells which is suspicious for an underlying carcinoma. It would be prudent to confirm this with histopathology.

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Hi Glynis

Sorry to hear this news. I've tried to explain some of the terms but basically the interpretation section sums up the gobbledegook - There are indications that not only is there an infection but that some of the cells - spindle and epithelial cells - are displaying characteristics of malignant cells.

This can be a completely normal response to an infection, inflammation or trauma in animals but it can also become malignant in animals that are genetically pre-disposed. Alternatively it could be that the malignancy - if it is one - came first and the bacteria have moved in to take advantage. They are particularly concerned about the epithelial cells forming unusual clumps which again is indicative a malignancy may be present. Whatever came first- rather than take a chance that this is just the body;s natural response to a bacterial infection, they are saying it would be sensible to do further histopathology investigation to make a firm diagnosis to rule out malignancy and decide a course of action.

The good news is that the cells involved are cells in the connective tissue/epithelium - ie not deep within the organ (in this case the uterus) itself. If they are malignant then the first stage is the development of a small tumour that is encapsulated (ie walled off within it;s own membrane). In all probability this is what the "thing is" that came out. Therefore if it is malignant, it;s been caught early (and also rejected by the body) and a spay should resolve this for good. Whether they will want to get rid of the bacterial infection first before operating or just whip it all out will depend upon the vet and the final diagnosis/prognosis

Uterine malignancies of all types do occur in piggies but we don;t know how common they are because most people do not get a PM done when their piggie dies. It's very common in older rabbits and that is why females are spayed but the jury is out on whether this justifies spaying all female piggies. If Velvey does have a malignancy - the signs are that it is not a particularly invasive one which has been caught early and she can be cured with a spay.

I think Velvey is very lucky that this thing popped out when it did- otherwise you might have carried on treating for "cystitis" to no avail.

Sending hugs to you both
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Poor Velvet :( I sincerely hope that she will be OK. There are a lot of big words in that report which sound scary but hopefully, sound worse than what they are. That is usually the case with veterinary terms. They do sound scary.

Sending you LOTS of (((hugs))) and gentle xoxo for Velvet xxxxxxxxx
 
(((((huge hugs))))) and healing vibes :laluot_29::laluot_29::laluot_29:
 
Just caught up with this thread. Huge hugs to you and love and vibes to Velvet x x x
 
Glynis, sorry to read about the worrying results :( although reading Pebbles advice it does sound like there may be some positivity! Lets hope you have caught it early and Velvet will be just fine x
 
Pebble, on behalf of all the people who couldn't understand much of that report (myself included!) thank you for your translation! I really hope that Velvet can be successfully treated! Healing vibes sent her way xx!
 
Thanks for the extra (and simplified) info Pebble. Still scary though.


Lots of love winging it's way to Velvet anf Glynis. x
 
Hi Glynis

Oh dear - I'm not sure if i achieved anything by simplifying the jargon except frightening people more. Sorry everyone.

In a nutshell - there are many different types of carcinoma (cancer) of any organ - whether it is a guinea pig or a human being.

For instance - Many of us will know at least one lady who has been diagnosed with breast cancer and understand how completely varied the type of breast cancers and treatments can be for this condition and how different the prognosis(projected outcome) can be - from "complete cure after a bit of treatment" to "too far gone and only 6 months to live" . (A close family member of mine had the latter - she is still alive 18months later and now has a good prognosis)

The report and Velvey's symptoms suggest that, even if the cells are malignant, it is early, not very invasive, and curable and she has a really good future.

So IF (and only if) there is a malignancy identified - a spay should cure it.

This is a fantastic outcome for Velvey so personally, if this were my piggie , I 'd be cheering from the rooftops we'd got a result and a potential cure.

Brendan is to be congratulated on choosing to do histo - I'll forgive him the fact he doesn;t have ultrasound!

Please (everyone) don;t get too frightened and caught up in the "c" word - given the report - it's not as bad for Velvey as most people might think.

I'm sure she'll be Ok Glynis - yes she might have to undergo the trauma of a spay/GA - but honestly this is a real result and a triumph for guine pig health and treatment. Velvey (and you) are very lucky!

HTH
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Hugs to the both of you. I agree with all Pebble has said. This does not necessarily mean badness. And i agree that by spaying then (fingers crossed) it should be a complete cure. I think (in my opinion) is for your vet to GA little Velvet and then spay her and double check her bladder over while under GA, to rule out any bladder issues or masses. I know this all sounds really scarey. But were all right here with your routing for little Velvet.

Sending you my love and wheeky healing vibes to little Velvet.

xx.
 
Sending <<<hugs>>> to Glynis and healing vibes to Velvet.

I just caught up with this thread - really good explanations from Pebble and Abi_Nurse. Thank you both for you clear and positive explanations. I think that, however scary, having thought it all through, it is easier to keep calm at the vets and ask sensible, informed questions if well informed of the might bes. Thanks all.

Keeping fingers crossed for Velvet!
 
I've only just seen this, oh my goodness Glynis you must be worried about your baby. Keeping all our fingers and paws crossed for Velvet's speedy recovery. You are surrounded by people who love you all, and will help you as much as they can :) x
 
I can't thank Pebble and Abi_Nurse enough for your explanations XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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I spent hours yesterday on the net trying to make sense of everything (ended up with a thumping head LOL) i had made a bit of sense on the different types of cells but still hadn't worked out whether it was good or bad! SO THANKS XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Of course the C word is daunting but now having read thru what you've said it makes me a little more positive. Just have to wait for the histo report.

(on a lovely note Traci who gave me my girls is very upset for Velvet. Now one of their other sisters is not well and loosing weight...perhaps they should do an xray on her tummy!)
 
Just popped in to check on Velvey between doing the dreaded BAS. I was shocked by the report as the "C" word is of course what caught my eye. But having read further on I am taking great comfort and hope from Pebbles posts.

Here's hoping the histo comes back with the desirable outcome Pebbles mentioned.
 
UGH BAS :)>>> thankfully i don't have to do ours here at work!

Thanks love XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Just spoke to Traci (head nurse) and she thinks it will be a spay now too, she suggested they do Onyx at same time.....i said no thanks :{
 
I'm glad the explanation from Pebble helped Glynis - we had a quick chat about Velvey yesterday and were both quite relieved with the report. If she were my piggy (I wish!) I would be going for a quick spay to remove the source of the problem once and for all.

Big hugs from me and all the piggles x
 
Suzygpr said:
I'm glad the explanation from Pebble helped Glynis - we had a quick chat about Velvey yesterday and were both quite relieved with the report. If she were my piggy (I wish!) I would be going for a quick spay to remove the source of the problem once and for all.

Big hugs from me and all the piggles x
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Thanks Suzy, i hadn't realised that you and 'Pebble' had chatted THANKYOU GIRLS XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
:)) aww i'm sure she'd love to have a snuggle with you, but i'm afraid she's my baby and she aint going no where! ;)
 
Katie Krafter said:
How's she doing now? Are you coping ok?

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Hi Love yeah coping okish thanks x>>x>>x>> Not sleeping too well. I've been working out in my mind how i could do their house in fleecy/towels for a few days or so, gonna be tricky. And i've already decided that i'll be sleeping downstairs the first night at least and also have the next day off, i just couldn't go to work !
Just want these last test results to confirm that maybe the spay will make her better..... i'd rather that than anything else!
 
oh Glynis, how worrying, but it sounds positive now that Pebble has explained. I think half the time its actually 'knowing' what is wrong that makes you feel better because at least then you can act on it correctly.

I'm sat here thinking, well Oscar is eating but hes lost again this morning, i just dont know what to do, I'm not convinced its his teeth, but i have had somone offer to take him to see Simon when they go so at least that will rule teeth out, but then what? lol

Anyway, back to beautiful Velvet, sending more vibes and get well soon huggles and a big fat kiss and cuddle for you from us xxxxxxx
 
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