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Very Ill Guinea Pig, Help!

Eryan

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Hello all,

We're very very new here so we hope we're doing this right, but we need help.

We "rescued" two guinea pigs about a month ago from Craigslist and since then it's just been vet trip to vet trip. This post is pertaining to Clover though, Clover has had the most trouble since we received her. Clover is roughly 4 years old. She is lumpy with possible cysts (the vet says at least), she has back problems, and we currently have her on Meloxicam and Sulfa Ped for her pain and a possible UTI.

We have witnessed a lot of very dark "pees" on her fleece, but we're honestly not sure what's going on with her. Sometimes she has a regular looking pee that turns a darker orange/brown color, but today she scared us with an extra dark one. It looks like a deep dark redish-black or brown. Now that it's dried, the spot appears almost entirely black.

What could this be? We used a syringe to suck some up before it dried to test it in hydrogen peroxide to see if it would fizz to indicate blood, but it didn't! I'm at a loss. She was very slow and poorly for herself before going, and even after going she has remained that way.

She's been on critical care for about a week as suggested by our vet due to her slowly losing weight, nothing significant though. Just to try to make sure she's getting a good diet, she was just back at the vet's on Friday and she was the same weight as the previous visit, so that's good news. She's also been on Bene-bac for inconstant poops but we just recently stopped adminstration because it wasn't helping.

As weird as this is going to sound, we smelled her "pee" and it was very sweet smelling to me. Her poops have tails and constantly change between green and smelly, small and brown, and everything in between. They change a lot throughout day. And often we use an electric toothbrush to vibrate her because she appears bloated or we can hear pent-up gas inside of her. This helps her go poop quite a lot sometimes but her vet says she shows no signs of bloat.

Normally, she'll eat hay all day, not really touch her pellets, and wheek for us when she wants critical care. She'll drink water occasionally but we often give her a few mls a day from a syringe just to be safe. She doesn't eat veggies because her old owners never gave her any and she hasn't really warmed up to us offering her them yet.

I'm sorry to dump so much information on you guys but we need help. We keep going to the vet, in the last 8 weeks of owning these two we've never gone a week without a vet trip, but lately they haven't been able to identify the issues we've been seeing. we just don't know what to do anymore, she has been given an X-ray already and they said they saw no stones, we give her her UTI meds, we don't know what else could be happening. Please help.
 
I’m sorry that Clover is so poorly. The urine drying a rusty brown colour is the wee reacting with the air and oxidising. I’m not sure why it’s almost black though.
One of our health experts will be able to assist further x
 
Hello there
@Claire W is absolutely right that pee oxidises after it is passed. so sometimes it can dry an odd colour, especially if they’ve been eating certain veg (eg beetroot or red peppers) or depending what bedding it is drying on.
What investigations has she had? Has she had an X-ray or scan to check for abnormalities? Has a urine sample been dipped or sent away for testing? Ideally the urine should be tested for signs of infection before antibiotics are given.
 
Hello there
@Claire W is absolutely right that pee oxidises after it is passed. so sometimes it can dry an odd colour, especially if they’ve been eating certain veg (eg beetroot or red peppers) or depending what bedding it is drying on.
What investigations has she had? Has she had an X-ray or scan to check for abnormalities? Has a urine sample been dipped or sent away for testing? Ideally the urine should be tested for signs of infection before antibiotics are given.
She's had an x-ray and stones were ruled out about 6 weeks go. She has not had a urine test but was still prescribed the Sulfa Ped and Meloxicam by the vet. Her pee cleared up quite a lot in color when previously prescribed the meds so we started her on it again when we noticed the colors in her urine returning.

I hopes it's okay to attach some photos to show what I'm talking about, I just want to make sure you guys still think it's just oxidation. The first photo is of what I mentioned during my posting, doesn't it look just like blood? And the second is of her a few weeks ago, what's seen on this picture is a fairly common occurrence for her.
 

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It does look like blood. It just looks too dark for oxidised urine. I would perhaps ask the vet to test the urine first to see if there is an infection and if it is they can test it for what antibiotics would be most effective
 
Welcome to the forum.
It sounds as if those piggies are very lucky to have been rescued by you.
I can’t offer advice, only support
 
I agree that does look like blood. I’d ask for a urine test to check for infection and if it’s infection I’d ask for culture and sensitivity testing to find the right antibiotic.
 
I completely agree with others in that it looks like blood (too dark for oxidised urine) so I’d ask for further investigations to be done.
 
Thank you for all the responses everyone! I'll definitely have the vet do a bit more digging on what could be causing this.

Should I ask for both a urine test and an ultrasound in the same visit?
 
:agr: If it isn’t stones or urinary infection I’d get a scan done
She's at the vet's right now and they're telling my partner that an ultrasound won't help and she should instead get an x-ray. Will that make a huge difference? She just had an x-ray a month ago and they said everything was fine looking.
 
We had the mysterious "pee" examined and the vet was more confused than us. Not enough bacteria to be diarrhea, not enough to entail an infection. She thought it was pee but was baffled by the color.

They couldn't figure it out, but they said her lumps we're growing and she was losing weight again. The vet said she should be taken off of both medicines because they screwed her body up a bit last time she was put on them. Apparently the Meloxicam can cause diarrhea in cats and dogs but our vet said she has never heard of it happening in guinea pigs, so again, no real answers.

No x-ray or ultrasound was given because the consensus was that she didn't think we would be able to find anything we haven't already found. So I guess our job now is just to keep Clover happy and comfortable. No one knows what's going on, but we're going to try to make this all easy for her.
 
Hi Eryan,
Sorry to hear Clover is not feeling well!
I hate to sound all doom and gloom, but I feel this needs to be considered:
I don't know much about rodent medicine, but in a human with persistent blood in the urine, GI tract, or from the reproductive organs, AND lumps that are growing in various parts of the body AND unintentional weight loss... my first thought would be that cancer needs to be ruled out. Was this possibility discussed?
 
Scans and x rays can see different things but your vet obviously doesn’t think its necessary. Even though the x ray was clear a month ago, it was a month ago and something may be visible now?

Unless the meds are causing something I suppose and taking her off of them is the only way to find out, but if there is something going on, then she now isn’t getting any treatment.
if she is experiencing pain and is now not on pain meds, you’re going to know about it quite quickly so watch out for signs she is experiencing pain and get her back to the vet.

if you would feel happier with her having a scan or another x ray, you could always seek a second opinion from a different vet surgery
 
Scans and x rays can see different things but your vet obviously doesn’t think its necessary. Even though the x ray was clear a month ago, it was a month ago and something may be visible now?

Unless the meds are causing something I suppose and taking her off of them is the only way to find out, but if there is something going on, then she now isn’t getting any treatment.
if she is experiencing pain and is now not on pain meds, you’re going to know about it quite quickly so watch out for signs she is experiencing pain and get her back to the vet.

if you would feel happier with her having a scan or another x ray, you could always seek a second opinion from a different vet surgery
The vet didn't think it was necessary to get an x-ray, and unfortunately there are no vets in our area taking new clients because of COVID. The vet we go to now is already an hour from where we live, so it's unlikely that we would be able to find another to give us a second opinion that's easily accessible.

As for now, we're just keeping a close eye on her and giving her tons of cuddles.
 
Aw, I feel for you, it’s such a shame when you are trying to do your very best for Clover x
 
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