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Vet Frustrations

Hops_in_Heaven

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This concerns the leader of my five pig herd, Bliss. She's about three years old now, I believe. She used to be so bossy and curious, always leading the group to something interesting. Last year, I noticed that she didn't zip around as much, opting to move at a slower pace while swinging her head around a lot. Sometimes, I would hold a veggie in front of her face and she wouldn't notice it right away.

Aside from that, she was fine. Her eyes weren't cloudy or weeping or squinty. Her teeth are even. Her ears weren't crusty, nor her nipples. No weird lumps. Good feet. Her fur was shiny and not falling out. No itching. Her weight was even. She was healthy, as far as I could determine.

Last year, I brought them in for their annual checkup and mentioned Bliss's speculated vision problems. When I mentioned the veggie thing, she laughed me off and said their eyes are on the sides of their face. When I mentioned the head swinging, she said she was just being alert because she was the leader. She looked into her eyes and said there were no signs of cataracts so she has no reason to have trouble with her vision.

This year, Bliss's strange behaviour has continued. When I introduced Caramel to the herd, I placed Bliss and Caramel on either side of a lettuce pile on neutral territory. Bliss wasn't able to find the lettuce by herself. She just wandered off in the completely wrong direction. It wasn't until she heard munching that she was able to reach it.

This year, when I brought Bliss in for her annual checkup, the vet told me first thing that Bliss had vision problems. I told her casually, oh I knew that. She was shocked. She said I should have come immediately and demanded to know why I hadn't. I replied that I noticed the problem last year. She said she needed to make note of what I just said in her records. I went on to say that I had brought it up to her and explained how that conversation had went. She said she had no notes of my mentioning vision problems so of course it hadn't happened and that she wouldn't tell me that she was swinging her head to be alert. I then had to demand she look at Bliss's weight last year and compare it to this year. It was the same. But weight isn't the best indicator of health, she said. Fur quality was. Okay, well, then how was the rest of her condition? Perfectly healthy. I had been monitoring it myself this whole time and I had mentioned it to her last year whether she believed me or not.

Then I mentioned how Cuddles, who was also there for a checkup, was crazily chasing my other pigs around and rumblestrutting as though she were in heat for three weeks straight. It could be due to Caramel joining the herd but I was worried about it being a sign of some potential health problems. Could she check? She just looked at her and said yep, no hormone problems here. Put her in one of those hamster balls to get her excess energy out.

And earlier this year, I brought Tickles in because her back feet were slightly red. She just went, that's the natural pigmentation of her skin. Like I was overreacting. I just wanted to make super sure she wasn't developing any foot problems.

My pigs go in every year for an annual checkup and I take them in when they have issues that crop up. When Cuddles got a hay poke and Tickles's feet, mentioned before. I give them health checks of my own and weigh them regularly. I did mention Bliss's eyesight last year, even if she didn't make any notes of it. I'm annoyed that she might even think I'm neglecting them. Plus since she suggested I put Cuddles in a hamster ball, I'm a little concerned at her guinea pig knowledge.

I just wanted to vent. Thanks for reading this.
 
Oh my goodness, that vet you visit is NOT knowledgeable at all and I would find another veterinarian. Guinea pigs should never be put in hamster balls. Also she should of mentioned the vision problem a year earlier. You are clearly a excellent guinea pig owner,I’m so sorry!
 
This concerns the leader of my five pig herd, Bliss. She's about three years old now, I believe. She used to be so bossy and curious, always leading the group to something interesting. Last year, I noticed that she didn't zip around as much, opting to move at a slower pace while swinging her head around a lot. Sometimes, I would hold a veggie in front of her face and she wouldn't notice it right away.

Aside from that, she was fine. Her eyes weren't cloudy or weeping or squinty. Her teeth are even. Her ears weren't crusty, nor her nipples. No weird lumps. Good feet. Her fur was shiny and not falling out. No itching. Her weight was even. She was healthy, as far as I could determine.

Last year, I brought them in for their annual checkup and mentioned Bliss's speculated vision problems. When I mentioned the veggie thing, she laughed me off and said their eyes are on the sides of their face. When I mentioned the head swinging, she said she was just being alert because she was the leader. She looked into her eyes and said there were no signs of cataracts so she has no reason to have trouble with her vision.

This year, Bliss's strange behaviour has continued. When I introduced Caramel to the herd, I placed Bliss and Caramel on either side of a lettuce pile on neutral territory. Bliss wasn't able to find the lettuce by herself. She just wandered off in the completely wrong direction. It wasn't until she heard munching that she was able to reach it.

This year, when I brought Bliss in for her annual checkup, the vet told me first thing that Bliss had vision problems. I told her casually, oh I knew that. She was shocked. She said I should have come immediately and demanded to know why I hadn't. I replied that I noticed the problem last year. She said she needed to make note of what I just said in her records. I went on to say that I had brought it up to her and explained how that conversation had went. She said she had no notes of my mentioning vision problems so of course it hadn't happened and that she wouldn't tell me that she was swinging her head to be alert. I then had to demand she look at Bliss's weight last year and compare it to this year. It was the same. But weight isn't the best indicator of health, she said. Fur quality was. Okay, well, then how was the rest of her condition? Perfectly healthy. I had been monitoring it myself this whole time and I had mentioned it to her last year whether she believed me or not.

Then I mentioned how Cuddles, who was also there for a checkup, was crazily chasing my other pigs around and rumblestrutting as though she were in heat for three weeks straight. It could be due to Caramel joining the herd but I was worried about it being a sign of some potential health problems. Could she check? She just looked at her and said yep, no hormone problems here. Put her in one of those hamster balls to get her excess energy out.

And earlier this year, I brought Tickles in because her back feet were slightly red. She just went, that's the natural pigmentation of her skin. Like I was overreacting. I just wanted to make super sure she wasn't developing any foot problems.

My pigs go in every year for an annual checkup and I take them in when they have issues that crop up. When Cuddles got a hay poke and Tickles's feet, mentioned before. I give them health checks of my own and weigh them regularly. I did mention Bliss's eyesight last year, even if she didn't make any notes of it. I'm annoyed that she might even think I'm neglecting them. Plus since she suggested I put Cuddles in a hamster ball, I'm a little concerned at her guinea pig knowledge.

I just wanted to vent. Thanks for reading this.

Sadly, finding piggy savvy vets in Canada is not easy at all and often impossible, especially when you are out of the big urban centres or more heavily settled areas. What we also tend to underestimate from the UK are the vast distances often involved as well as the cost of vet care in Canada. :(
Here is the Guinea Lynx list of recommended Canadian vets, if that will help you to check whether one of them is within your reach: Veterinarians: Canada - Guinea Lynx Records
 
Aw, poor you, finding a decent knowledgeable piggie vet is bad enough in certain areas of the UK, hope you can find one. Are there any piggie rescues who could advise a good piggie vet?
 
Aw, poor you, finding a decent knowledgeable piggie vet is bad enough in certain areas of the UK, hope you can find one. Are there any piggie rescues who could advise a good piggie vet?

Sadly, there are even less good rescues than there are vets... :(
 
Thanks for the sympathy, everyone. I was just a little frustrated at her lack of concern when I brought it up last year and how upset she was with me this year. The hamster ball recommendation is also highly suspicious.

I'll check out that link!
 
Thanks for the sympathy, everyone. I was just a little frustrated at her lack of concern when I brought it up last year and how upset she was with me this year. The hamster ball recommendation is also highly suspicious.

I'll check out that link!

Any vet who doesn't know that guinea pigs have a stiff spine and are not climbers doesn't know a lot about them. She's probably see G-Force and is thinking that this is OK! :yikes:

Sadly pet rodents don't feature much in a general vet's curriculum; even more so in countries where guinea pigs are not a very common pet. Guinea pigs are classed as exotic pets, yet they are too common to be of real interest to most exotic vets. :(

There are increasing calls to move pet rodents across to the general small classification seeing that their popularity has and is still rising quickly and that an increasing number of people are seeking vet care for them, but it hasn't happened yet.
 
Wiebke, I hope it changes soon. I found a new vet clinic a short ways out of my city with more convenient hours for me and their website says they can help small animals, avians and exotics. Looks promising. I think I'll try them next!
 
Ugh... the hamster ball comment is a dead giveaway of a vet without a lot of guinea pig knowledge. I'm in Canada too (Ontario) and I know it can be hard to find good guinea pig vets here. Looking for a vet advertising 'exotics' is the best bet because guinea pigs are considered exotic pets. The problem is that so few people bother to take guinea pigs to the vet that vets don't always have much experience with them and there's not much incentive for them to learn. Hope your appointment with the exotics vet goes better!

For what it's worth, I've had a couple of pigs with cataracts and I could see the difference in their behavior long before the vet could see the cataracts on exam. They did adjust fine to their lower vision over time... the transitional 'I can kind of see but not really' stage was the hardest on them.
 
Betsy has cataracts and I know what you mean by the 'I can see but not really' stage. She has adjusted now but she can still be a bit nippy if she doesn't understand whats going on. Only yesterday I got a nip cos I forgot to reassure her when I picked her up to take her back to the hutch after floor time. I also have to remember to put food right under her nose so she can find it before the other 4 have scoffed it. I always have to talk to Betsy in a calming voice and stroke her whenever I am carrying her so she isn't frightened and I don't get nipped.
 
Thanks for sharing your experiences, Freela and Betsy. I have been very confused for some time about Bliss because her behaviour is not consistent with what I've read about fully blind pigs. It does sound more similar to your 'I can sort of see' stage.

She is forever standing still and swinging her head around. Maybe she's listening. When she is exploring, she seems to be relying on her whiskers. She's so calm and confident though. When I move too quickly, like when I move from lying down to sitting up on the couch by their cage, all my sighted pigs run for cover, but she just sits there. She used to be so good at being picked up, but now she make a loud sound of protest when I scoop her up and she throws herself forward when I'm lowering her back down.

I usually feed them in the same corner of the cage and summon them by calling out, "hey, piggalies!" . I think I had a little snack for Frolic or I wanted to see her from a different angle the other day, something like that. So I called out quietly, just to get Frolic over. Bliss was right beside her and heard me. Even though I was right in front of her and Frolic, who came toward me, Bliss went sprinting at full speed for the feeding corner of the cage!
 
Okay, okay, okay... I just had a great experience with the new vet! She seemed much more knowledgeable! She said Bliss has cataracts, and more in one eye than the other. She looked at Frolic's front teeth, which had worn unevenly because she used to chew on this one hidey in the cage, and said they were alright for now. She said they were fine and that she could file them if they got worse. And she was nice and answered all the questions and concerns. There were so much fewer 'I'm not sure' answers. And every piggy got their nails trimmed.

Yay!
 
So pleased you seem to have found a more experienced vet.
I am lucky that my local vet openly admits she is not a specialist and will happily take suggestions from me and check things she isn't sure about.
We also have a specialist who is further away but deals with the more severe issues.
I know I am lucky though, and not everyone has access to such responsive vets.
 
Thanks for sharing your experiences, Freela and Betsy. I have been very confused for some time about Bliss because her behaviour is not consistent with what I've read about fully blind pigs. It does sound more similar to your 'I can sort of see' stage.

She is forever standing still and swinging her head around. Maybe she's listening. When she is exploring, she seems to be relying on her whiskers. She's so calm and confident though. When I move too quickly, like when I move from lying down to sitting up on the couch by their cage, all my sighted pigs run for cover, but she just sits there. She used to be so good at being picked up, but now she make a loud sound of protest when I scoop her up and she throws herself forward when I'm lowering her back down.

I usually feed them in the same corner of the cage and summon them by calling out, "hey, piggalies!" . I think I had a little snack for Frolic or I wanted to see her from a different angle the other day, something like that. So I called out quietly, just to get Frolic over. Bliss was right beside her and heard me. Even though I was right in front of her and Frolic, who came toward me, Bliss went sprinting at full speed for the feeding corner of the cage!

Sundae (one of my previous pigs who was most likely completely blind by the time she passed away) spent a lot of time going up on tiptoes with her nose up, either smelling or listening. It wasn't a behavior she showed before her vision started failing. Right now Hadley is in the stage of vision loss where she has no depth perception and keeps making ungainly leaps in and out of the cage (there a step and tiny wire ramp she has to go down... she would either jump early and crash down mid-ramp or would somehow get her toes caught going in or out. At this point I get her out for snack time because after a couple unfortunately toenail incidents she is fearful of getting out herself. She is managing going back in on her own. Cataracts are really not uncommon in pigs and they typically adjust really well with some time and some adjustments to make life easier by the humans. They seem better able to manage than some other animals- my daughter has an elderly dwarf hamster who obviously has advanced cataracts... she was always a little cranky but in her old age/total blindness she has gotten VERY aggressive, to the point that it's very hard to handle her and we are constantly getting bitten. She can't see you coming and will attack whatever comes into contact with her, making it very hard to even pick her up!
 
Okay, okay, okay... I just had a great experience with the new vet! She seemed much more knowledgeable! She said Bliss has cataracts, and more in one eye than the other. She looked at Frolic's front teeth, which had worn unevenly because she used to chew on this one hidey in the cage, and said they were alright for now. She said they were fine and that she could file them if they got worse. And she was nice and answered all the questions and concerns. There were so much fewer 'I'm not sure' answers. And every piggy got their nails trimmed.

Yay!

That's great! A good vet makes such a difference. It took us awhile to find one because a lot of vets will agree to see guinea pigs without having a whole lot of knowledge backing them, but I love the vet we ended up with (my kids keep joking about my crush on the vet. Which is mostly just them exaggerating... mostly.) One of my past pigs had a lot of issues (bladder issues, dental issues) and the two of us managed to keep her going with a good quality of life until she passed away at almost seven... she would never have gotten there without a vet who knew what he was doing.
 
Yes, I feel completely at ease in regards to the health of my pigs from now on. I feel slightly guilty though for Hopper, the little one in my avatar. Unbeknowst to me, Frolic was pregnant when I got her. Maybe he could've survived past a few days if I'd gone to a better vet. The only advice I'd gotten from my old vet was to wipe his bottom with a wet rag to get him to use the bathroom and to syringe feed him, and he refused to eat any of it. I didn't feel comfortable squirting it in his mouth; all I seemed to manage was smearing it all over his face. He actually wanted to eat veggies, but didn't seem to have the strength to tear off a bite of veggie for himself. Any he'd managed, he immediately choked on. I hadn't joined the forum until hours before his death so I hadn't seen the plethora of baby guinea pig advice here. He choked on a piece of cucumber my boyfriend was trying to feed him while I desperately rushed to the grocery store for baby food, wondering if maybe he could eat that. He deserved so much better than what I gave him. But Frolic is just fine and so is her daughter Tickles.

It's nice to hear about the great vets you have. Hopefully, I'll be having similar experiences from here on out!

Swissgrey, it's nice that your vet acknowledges his or her shortcomings. During my last visit with my previous vet, we butted heads quite a bit. I was dismayed, and thought my vet would have been impressed that I had learned so much about guinea pigs since I'd first acquired them. I think it was as Freela said, they agreed to see my pigs even though, from what I can see now, my previous vet was only properly trained for cats and dogs. But now I never have to go back, thank goodness!

Also, that elderly Russian dwarf sounds so feisty!
 
I hate vet receptionists that say yes bring your guinea pig down, and then the one guinea pig vet they had, wasnt on shift!. It was an emergency too
 
SkyPipDotBernie, that sounds so stressful! You would think that since everyone involved in a veterinary situation wants what's best for the animal, they would refuse to help a pet they lack the expertise to for, but... noooope. Let's just waste time and money and endanger the animal instead. :td:

Again, thanks for tolerating my vet-related rants.
 
SkyPipDotBernie, that sounds so stressful! You would think that since everyone involved in a veterinary situation wants what's best for the animal, they would refuse to help a pet they lack the expertise to for, but... noooope. Let's just waste time and money and endanger the animal instead. :td:

Again, thanks for tolerating my vet-related rants.
Yea its was frustrating. Wasnt the vet i use now, was an old one i used to go to
 
That's really cool, Merab. I hope Bliss can be like that, too. She's still in charge, able to snatch food, kick others out of their sleeping spots and demand chin salutes. But since she doesn't always see minor arguments happening, she doesn't involve herself in them the way she used to. She used to barge in and remind everyone that more important than their petty squabbles was that they remember she's in charge. :)) Frolic seems to have taken up that mantle, and so well that I briefly wondered if she was now in charge. But she still pays her respects to Bliss. I really enjoy their dynamic.
 
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