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Weeing blood/ lethargic/ off food & water

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Thought I'd make a thread because I've always found it really useful to read other people's experiences when I'm trying to work out what's wrong with my pig, Odj.

On Wednesday night, Odj seemed overly lethargic. His popcorning days are long behind him (he's 5 1/2 years old), but he was more prone to lying down than usual. I noticed that he hadn't eaten much of his dry food, which he is usually pretty keen on, and whereas he usually drank about a bottle of water every two days, he was only drinking a fraction of this. When he DID try to eat, it seemed like the act was too much for him, and he'd keep lying down on his side for a few seconds as if to sleep, then getting up and eating a bit more.

I was thinking about taking him to the vet on Thursday, but he seemed a little stronger on Thursday morning, and I could see he had eaten and drunk a little more over night, so I thought he was on the mend.

Friday night - he was still pretty lethargic, weaker than normal, still eating and drinking a bit but not to his usual quantity. Then he peed on me, and there's was a very distinct red to it, which could only be blood.

After zooming around the internet, I called a 24hr vet, and we discussed what it could be. He seemed to think it was a Urinary Tract Infection. Odj'd had one before, although there was much less blood that time. What surprised me was that there didn't seem to be any discomfort when he pee'd. He seemed weak, but not in any pain.

Usually, I'm running around to the vet whenever Odj sneezes, but up until Friday night, I wasn't sure what to say. Yes he was lethargic, but he's also a pretty old pig, and he seemed a little better the morning after I first noticed it. He was off his food and water, but he hadn't STOPPED drinking or eating. I kept a close eye on him, but I wondered if it was just a stomach upset that would pass. But the blood in the wee was a sure sign something was wrong.

I've just come back from the vet this morning. He seems to think it is a UTI. I thought it probably would be, but lethargy never appears to be listed as a symptom. But the vet explained that any illness tends to take a lot out of a pet, so that's probably why. He also suggested that while he couldn't feel a bladder stone, it is possible with blood in the urine that Odj did have one but had passed it - apparently possible if small enough. But a sensitivity in the kidneys seemed to click with UTI.

Odj is in his cage now. He doesn't like the vets, but he is always pleased to see I make the effort when he's feeling a bit rundown, and he tends to reward this with getting better. He's looking a bit more spritely already. We're not out of the woods yet, but I have some Baytril which I'm supposed to give him 0.3ml of, twice a day. Fingers-crossed.

Odj isn't a pet - he's like my little brother, so whenever he gets ill, its a big concern. I know he's old, but Odj thinks he's got a good few years left in him yet, and I'm not going to argue with him. He's a very stubborn pig.
 
I'm afraid I don't have enough experience to really comment on the medical stuff but I do understand when you say Odj really is one of the family, as this is how I also feel about my own. I'm sure somebody will come along soon with some helpful advice. Good luck! :)
 
Welcome to the forum, it sounds like you're doing your best for Odj, it's great to hear he's got such a dedicated carer.

With regards to treatment, there's a chance the Baytril may work, the dose is in the normal range. However, the optimal treatment for cystitis is Septrin, Rimadyl and lots of fluids; an antibiotic to clear any infection, an anti-inflammatory to ease any inflammation and pain, and the fluids will help to flush the bacteria out.

HelenRM mentioned Metatone, this is also worth trying as it can help stimulate the appetite and encourage him to eat a little more. The dose is 0.5ml daily.
Pain can affect the appetite and activity levels, which may explain his slight reluctance to eat as normal and also the lethargy.
 
Laura, I'm assuming that Rimadyl is preferable to Metacam then, as a painkiller/anti-inflammatory. If Metacam is used instead, is this still useful and effective in treating a UTI? I have no idea myself, just wondering.... ;)
 
UTI and/or kidney problems is my guess! Have his heart checked out as well.

http://www.oginet.com/pgurney/kidneys.htm
http://www.guinealynx.info/uti.html

The best treatment for UTI:
2x daily 0.5 ml pediatric septrin (a form of trimethoprim sulfa that can be given orally and - as it tastes of banana - is usually quite a favourite with piggies) plus some probiotic to keep the guts going and stimulate the appetite.

As much unsweetened cranberry juice as possible (I usually syringe a mix of half water/half juice, as that goes down a lot easier, up to 50ml a day, in several sittings. You won't get much more than 10 ml or less into a piggy in one go - that is about one full bladder). If in a pinch, any unsweetened fluid will do to help flush out the bacteria.

Painkiller, if the symptoms are severe.

Change his bedding as often as possible.

Best of luck!
 
Laura, I'm assuming that Rimadyl is preferable to Metacam then, as a painkiller/anti-inflammatory. If Metacam is used instead, is this still useful and effective in treating a UTI? I have no idea myself, just wondering.... ;)

The CCT states that Rimadyl is a better tolerated drug than Metacam. However, Metacam still has its use; it does help relieve pain, and is the most commonly prescribed painkiller/anti-inflammatory.
 
Hi,
one of my little girls has had a UTI for over two weeks. she was first precribed Baytril and is no on septrin and metacam. she was a very greedy pig but is now hardly eating.
can anyone give me some advice on what to feed her as she has lost some weight and just not her happy self at all.i am offering everything to her. i am giving her cranberry juice via a syringe too.
its really sad :( to see her like this and i dont know what else to do.
 
I feed Elvis on burgess excell pellets he particulary likes the new ones with blackcurrant ,Soak them in hot water for about 20 minutes and they mush up really easy you can then use a 1ml syringe to feed them [don't cut the end off].
Keep your eye on her teeth because if she is not eating much then they could become a problem.
 
Hi,
one of my little girls has had a UTI for over two weeks. she was first precribed Baytril and is no on septrin and metacam. she was a very greedy pig but is now hardly eating.
can anyone give me some advice on what to feed her as she has lost some weight and just not her happy self at all.i am offering everything to her. i am giving her cranberry juice via a syringe too.
its really sad :( to see her like this and i dont know what else to do.

Welcome to the forum, I am sorry your guinea is not well. It is probably worth starting another thread just for her so you can go into more detail and get more specific advice for your girl. While the info on this thread will probably be useful, most people will read the first persons post and respond mainly to that. If you have your own thread for her, people can ask questions about her condition and help you get the right treatment, the particular help that she needs. :)
 
Thanks for your help.
since posting my first message my little girl Tracey now has diarrhea. do you think this will be too much for her? :...
 
Squeakies, I'm afraid I don't know enough about medical stuff to really advise but I do know that diarrhea is serious in guineas and requires treatment immediately. There are things you can do yourself at home, so please please please do post a thread, just for Tracey, so you can get help quickly.

Sorry I can't help more. Best of luck.
 
squeakies, is Tracey eating for herself at all? If not, are you syringe-feeding her? Is her diarrhoea runny, or are her faeces 'just' very soft? Syringe-feeding, water and a rehydration solution (Dioralyte) given orally by syringe will generally help to settle the diarrhoea. Re the cystitis, what are her specific symptoms, and has she been xrayed to check for stones? If not, an xray would be the next step.
 
she has been to the vets for scan and no stones, nothing there at all. i think i was just being an over worrying mummy and it was just a little loose for that elimination. i am syringe feeding her water alot during the day and ensuring she is getting lots of vitamin c. she is back at the vets on wednesday for more scans in case they missed anything.she is more lively when sitting with you than when she is in her hutch (indoors) with the other two.it just seems like a waiting game.:(
 
Thanks everyone for your kind words and support - I really appreciate it. Odj doesn't seem to be peeing blood anymore, and to that end the Baytril appears to be working. He really hates me syringing it into his mouth though. I have to say it's not my favourite task either.

My worry now is that he still doesn't have much in the way of an appetite. Whereas he used to love apple and spinach, and would go crazy for basil, anything with a bit of health in it, he won't eat. The only thing he wants to eat is cardboard and bread crusts. I'm pleased he's eating something, but I'm really worried about his vitamin C intake now. His dried food - Wagg Optimum - is going down a little, but not much. And he's drinking a bit, but again not much. I'm about to put some powdered vitamin C in his water, and hope that'll help. My worry is that he'll notice the taste difference and stop drinking all together.

I bought some Metatone, based on what you guys have said, but I have concerns about giving him medication without the vets say-so first. I'm going to give the vet a call first thing tomorrow. I'll let you know how things get on.

Squeakies - it sounds like Tracey has the some thing as Odj. I really hope she perks up soon.
 
Baytril can be very harsh on the guts (apart from tasting appalling! I made the mistake of licking my finger once after I got a bit on it and it was the worst thing I have EVER tasted!) Have you got probiotics from your vets in order to stimulate his guts and his appetite.

Make sure that your boy has PLENTY of hay and syringe unsweetened cranberry juice mixed with water - that has vit.C as well!

Are you weighing him daily in order to keep track of how he is doing?
 
it does sound the same. i have got some probiotic stuff for her and she seems to enjoy a new dry food, burgess excell with blackcurrant. maybe give that a try.parsley is very high in vitamin c too. Tracey seems to enjoy anything that comes from her syringe so i am lucky there.
 
Just thought I'd add that some people swear by homemade barley water in the treatment of guinea pigs with cystitis, to be given as a supplement, in addition to antibiotics, probiotics & unsweetened cranberry juice etc.

This can be made easily by boiling up pearl barley with water and then draining off the water to give via syringe. I use 1 part barley to about 10-15 parts water. Bring it to the boil then simmer for about 50 mins. Pass the barley through a sieve, squishing the barley grains so you also get the thick, gloopy, viscose stuff as well as the more watery liquid. You'll find this barley water preparation mentioned quite a lot on this forum, just search :)

My guinea pig hates cranberry juice so I sometimes syringe feed it with barley water (half and half) to make the cranberry more palatable and he seems to like it that way.

Hope Odj (and Tracey) are better soon.
 
Again, thanks all for the advice.

The vet seemed stumped, but give Odj a pain-relief injection in case that was what was putting him off his food. Not sure if it has helped any though.

Odj had a few bites of a grape and a few bites of spinach, as well as a bit of grass this morning, but that's it. He seems happy to eat paper, but even then seems to get bored after a few bites - unlike him.

As well as the Baytril, I'm now syringing a 50/50 mix of cranberry juice and water, to help keep his vitamin c up. Its a struggle feeding him anything by syringe, so we're starting on a few small amounts, and I'll be working to get more in him over the next day or so. If his appetite still hasn't come back, I'll try the Metatone.

He's happily sitting on my shoulder as I type this, as usual. To look at him, you'd think he was fine. Weight-wise, he seems to be holding steady at 800g, though I'm not sure how. And he still has some fight in him, which he likes to prove every time I approach with the syringe. hope he picks up soon.
 
Odj seemed to get weaker, and I continued to syringe feed mashed up pellets and a mix of 50/50 cranberry juice and water. In the end we made the trip to see Vendra at CCT on Thursday, and Odj has been there ever since. Turns out he has an internal infection that has spread throughout his body - I don't know the name of it. As of Saturday, he has apparently made slow progress, and doesn't seem motivated to make much effort yet. Vedra hoped that he will improve with a few more days of med.

It's a nightmare waiting to hear how he is doing. I had never met Vedra before, and it was posts on this forum that informed me about the CCT. I know that Odj is in the best hands with her, and I am pleased at least that someone has been able to work out exactly what's wrong with him, and is able to prescribe the drugs that have the best chance of saving him.

If anyone else has a mystery ailment with their piglet, I can highly reccommend a visit to Vedra and the Cambridge Cavy Trust.
 
Good to hear he's making some progress, even if slow it's going in the right direction, I hope the treatment he is on helps.

Fingers crossed for him!
 
It's really good news that there has been some improvement seen, no matter how small. Really hope he continues on the right track and you can bring him back home soon.

Good luck x
 
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