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Weight loss & thin poos

Wyndy

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We usually weigh the piggies each Monday, our cage cleanup day. We forgot to weigh them last week although we didn't realise it until we entered their weights in the chart this week. It was at this point we saw that Pogo went from 1161g down to 1056g, a drop of 105g.

I knew this was concerning so we left them in the pen and did poo checks, all seemed fine, he seemed to be eating okay although more slowly than usual. It crossed my mind there may be a dental issue but I decided to monitor him the next day and take him to the vet if there was a further weight loss or any other indications of illness.

We weighed him again yesterday and he lost a further 24g and noticed some crust around his eyesso I made an appointment to see the vet as I thought it could be a respiratory infection. We saw a vet last night who checked him over and said he couldn't find any problems. I wasn't inspired with confidence because when the vet checked his teeth, he only looked at the incisors until I prompted him to also check the molars. He felt Pogo's body for any abnormalities, he took Pogo's temp, he check the fur and skin so the vet declared he couldn't find anything. I had to bring up the potential respiratory issue to prompt the vet to listen to Pogo's lungs/chest. So, yeah, not confident that the vet knew much about pigs.

Anyway, we weighed him again today and he lost a further 16g, I also noticed some skinny poops where Pogo likes to hang out so I immediately started a syringe feed. I gave him 20ml over the course of 1hr 45mins, with 1ml of water in between every 5ml. He didn't do a single poo whilst on my lap but he had one wee.

Pogo curled up toward his bum, like they do when they eat their poo, but I'm not sure what was going on there? I noticed tonight that his anal sack smell is stronger however the smell is the same as it's been when we do they routine checks. At this point it occurred to me that the vet never checked Pogo's boy bits. And Pogo's testicles do look a bit bigger.

I called the emergency vet because I was worried about gut stasis and potential infection in Pogo's bits. She gave me metcam and baytril and told me to continue with syringe feeding every couple of hours. Pogo has now had his first dose of each medication. I will continue syringe feeding until the morning and go back the vet. I'm going to try to get an appointment with the exotic vet in Cardiff though.

Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to give you as much info as possible. Is there anything else I can or should be doing in terms of keeping him going?

Also, Pogo is the dominant pig but Percy (underpig) is displaying some dominant behaviours like chasing Pogo and rumble strutting. Percy was also chasing and mounting Pogo last week. Perhaps he senses Pogo is unwell so is challenging dominance? They have a 120cm zooplus cage, is there anything I can use to divide them in the event that Percy doesn't let Pogo get adequate rest? I dont want to jeopardise their bond, but I don't want Pogo using valuable energy trying to fend off Percy.
 
Wow - it sounds like you are really doing everything possible for your boy. He is lucky to have you fighting his corner for him.

To be honest I think you are right in your assessment of the vet, but Baytril and Metacam are always a good place to start when you aren't sure exactly what is going on. You might want to consider adding some probiotics in there too while he is on antibiotics.

If you need to split the cage then a large cooling rack (the type used for baking) can often work, and be picked up pretty cheaply if you don't already have one.
 
I have a cooling rack, I hadn't considered that. Thanks for the idea!

I've seen the list of probiotics in one of the sticky threads, is there any one in particular that's best for our circumstances?
 
Sounds like you are doing all the right things here, unfortunately weight loss can indicate so many things its hard to advise, especially if even your vets arent sure. Your first vet doesnt sound too piggy savvy, you might get his teeth rechecked by a more experienced vet. We have used pro-C as a protiotic in piggies taking baytril, we usually give a few mls by syringe a couple of hours after the baytril. Fibreplex is a good probiotic too.
Illness can certainly upset the dominance hierarchy, but in the longer term, 120cm is a bit small for 2 boars- usually they do better with more space than the minimum, so you might consider expanding to 140cm, 160cm, or a 5x2 C&C cage, which can help give them more space if they are having a stressful time like this and need to get away from each other for a while!
 
Oh, I see that Pro C is sold at P@H. I think I'll get that because I can get it today rather than wait for a delivery from VetUK.

I plan to get a 140cm cage in the near future. C&C isn't an option for me as I have a very large (size of a small dog) and intelligent cat - he opens doors, drawers and I even had to buy a child lock for the fridge because he figured out how to help himself to the lunch meat. I know people have C&Cs with cats but I feel safer with a Ferplast-type cage.
 
I think you're doing everything you can to help him @Wyndy , hope the specialist vet can find out what's going on!
 
Pro C is very good, I give it to my two and they love it, just sprinkle a pinch on their pellets hope your little one makes a speedy recovery x
 
Thanks everyone, I really appreciate the advice reassurance and ideas 😊
 
Sounds like you're on the right track! Eye discharge can also potentially be a sign of dental abscesses just to throw another idea to bring up with the vet, especially if the first vets dental exam was poor!
Fingers crossed he's feeling better soon.
 
Oh, I didn't realise that. It's good to know. I have an appointment with the exotic vet tomorrow morning. The vet said the fact that I am syringe feeding, he's receiving medication and he's put on some weight means that he should be ok until then.
 
We usually weigh the piggies each Monday, our cage cleanup day. We forgot to weigh them last week although we didn't realise it until we entered their weights in the chart this week. It was at this point we saw that Pogo went from 1161g down to 1056g, a drop of 105g.

I knew this was concerning so we left them in the pen and did poo checks, all seemed fine, he seemed to be eating okay although more slowly than usual. It crossed my mind there may be a dental issue but I decided to monitor him the next day and take him to the vet if there was a further weight loss or any other indications of illness.

We weighed him again yesterday and he lost a further 24g and noticed some crust around his eyesso I made an appointment to see the vet as I thought it could be a respiratory infection. We saw a vet last night who checked him over and said he couldn't find any problems. I wasn't inspired with confidence because when the vet checked his teeth, he only looked at the incisors until I prompted him to also check the molars. He felt Pogo's body for any abnormalities, he took Pogo's temp, he check the fur and skin so the vet declared he couldn't find anything. I had to bring up the potential respiratory issue to prompt the vet to listen to Pogo's lungs/chest. So, yeah, not confident that the vet knew much about pigs.

Anyway, we weighed him again today and he lost a further 16g, I also noticed some skinny poops where Pogo likes to hang out so I immediately started a syringe feed. I gave him 20ml over the course of 1hr 45mins, with 1ml of water in between every 5ml. He didn't do a single poo whilst on my lap but he had one wee.

Pogo curled up toward his bum, like they do when they eat their poo, but I'm not sure what was going on there? I noticed tonight that his anal sack smell is stronger however the smell is the same as it's been when we do they routine checks. At this point it occurred to me that the vet never checked Pogo's boy bits. And Pogo's testicles do look a bit bigger.

I called the emergency vet because I was worried about gut stasis and potential infection in Pogo's bits. She gave me metcam and baytril and told me to continue with syringe feeding every couple of hours. Pogo has now had his first dose of each medication. I will continue syringe feeding until the morning and go back the vet. I'm going to try to get an appointment with the exotic vet in Cardiff though.

Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to give you as much info as possible. Is there anything else I can or should be doing in terms of keeping him going?

Also, Pogo is the dominant pig but Percy (underpig) is displaying some dominant behaviours like chasing Pogo and rumble strutting. Percy was also chasing and mounting Pogo last week. Perhaps he senses Pogo is unwell so is challenging dominance? They have a 120cm zooplus cage, is there anything I can use to divide them in the event that Percy doesn't let Pogo get adequate rest? I dont want to jeopardise their bond, but I don't want Pogo using valuable energy trying to fend off Percy.

Hi and welcome

Please take the time to read these practical and very helpful guides here which are dealing with home support care:
Emergency, Crisis and Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment
Bloat, GI Stasis (No Gut Movement) And Not Eating
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide

Changes in behaviour usually reflect an illness rather than the other way around. How old are your boys? Teenagers suffer from huge hormone spikes. In an emergency you can fashion a divider from a piece of large cardboard and tie it to the bards.
A Comprehensive Guide to Guinea Pig Boars
Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?

All the best!
 
The exotic vet couldn't find anything wrong with Pogo. She did a thorough physical exam and even anesthitised him to check his teeth. She said the molars on the one side were very slightly overgrown (she sorted this out) but it was so slight that she didn't think that was the reason for him not eating.

It was suggested that their bond may he dysfunctional and Pogo is being bullied. This suggestion was made because of the behaviour they displayed whilst at the vets. They saw some bullying behaviour and noticed that they don't seem to want to share the same space. I have been uncertain about their bond for months. So I shall now post questions about that in the relevant section.
 
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