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What next? Feel stuck in a crackly nose loop

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For the last 2 months Dash has been treated for a URI. The only starting symptoms I'd noticed were that he was closing one eye (thought it was an eye injury at first) and a slightly increased amount of sneezing. I took Spud along as a precaution and the exotics vet diagnosed a URI.

Initially both Dash and Spud were given Sulfatrim. I was also asked to feed Emeraid as they were both underweight. Spud put on loads of weight and never showed any obvious symptoms to me (the vet had been able to detect some signs initially though) and was given a clean bill of health in late September. Since then he's been absolutely fine.

Dash on the other hand never really recovered and he ended up on Marbocare - another antibiotic. We also had an emergency day at the vets as his digestive system went off and he wasnt eating or pooping. So we were given more drugs to tackle the back end too.

Throughout October I religiously gave all the meds. His poop started to get more solid and formed again but then went back to very soft, sticky and squishy. I didnt notice too much in the way of other symptoms from the URI - in fact he perked up massively and was being a lovely sociable pig (still is). His weight did go up, but not as drastically as Spud and we seem to be a bit stuck around the 560-570g mark for a couple of weeks now.

The drugs all ended this time last week and we went back to the vets. But before that, early last week I'd noticed that he was back to snuffling and having crackling nose breathing. He was throwing his head up too. His poop was also still very soft and unformed, and he seemed to be in discomfort getting it out.

The vet decided not to explore the URI route any further, and instead decided it might be a hay dust sensitivity. He said if the noise hadn't reduced then we'd try Piriton next.

So Dash now has his hay served in loo roll tubes so he cant burrow into it. He has Hay Box hay and I cant really see any dust - in the last batch there was hardly any dust at the bottom of the boxes. One week on though and he's still got a lot of nasal noise. His poop finally seems to be more bean like and he seems more comfortable passing it now so I'm less concerned about that. He's also still on Emeraid to help with his weight and generally seems quite perky in himself.

But I was worried about the flip from URI to hay allergy. I sought a second opinion, although the vet was not an exotic specialist, she and a knowledgeable colleague spent a good hour with both boys checking them over. They concluded that they'd have taken the same course of action as the original vet (fine, all happy with that). They said their next thoughts would be hay allergy or to try and figure out exactly what type of bug Dash might have...they thought that as he'd improved a bit on the antibiotics there could be a more stubborn underlying infection going on that eased and then resurfaced once the drugs stopped. They conceded they weren't specialists though but their thoughts were reassuring at least and they have given me the number of an exotic vet about an hour away who might be to help too.

I'm going to call the original vet today to talk about next steps, but wondered if you lovely people had any experience to offer, particularly around the hay allergy thing. I'm a bit baffled as to the best way to give him hay and also where to even really start trying to figure out a long term plan of it does turn out to be that.

I've spent a fortune on vets fees and feel a little bit like I'm still at square one with no definite answer. Dash has had a horrible few weeks having lots of meds and I'm reluctant to throw more down his neck if we're just throwing at a dart board for the next idea - especially as his poop finally seems a bit more stable. I know I've done the right thing getting vet treatment but I cant help feeling terrible at the whole situation.

Any thoughts?
 
Has anyone been prescribed Piriton to alleviate sneezing / snuffling / blocked nose in a piggy. And if so what happened? Did it work?

Dash has been treated for a URI since the end of August. After 2 rounds of antibiotics the vet has recommended Piriton instead. He doesn't want to keep giving antibiotics and as Dash is eating, drinking, playing and gaining weight just fine, he was hoping the Piriton would alleviate the crackly nose issues and Dash would be able to better fight off the stubborn underlying infection. He would go back to antibiotics if Dash went downhill again.

I'm not convinced...we're on day 4 and he's still snuffling and sneezing. He has his Hay Box hay in a rack now so I dont think there's much in the way of hay dust to add to the problem and he's on fleece. I'm also concerned as the vet has him on Rantinidine too...but for weeks now we've had soft, squidgy poop. His last antibiotics were over 2 weeks ago. I gave him Nutrabio which the vet gave me a while back...its a cat/dog probiotic and seems to have helped a little today with the poop but I'd rather he was doing healthy poop of his own accord!

I have a call with the vet tomorrow and an actual follow up appointment on Thursday. At this point though I'm tempted to stop giving him everything and go for a clean start.

Any advice at all?
 
I have no idea but don’t think that human meds are suitable for Guinean pigs. I could be wrong...I’ll tag @Wiebke @PigglePuggle @VickiA

What antibiotics was he given and how long was he in them for?
 
I have no idea but don’t think that human meds are suitable for Guinean pigs. I could be wrong...I’ll tag @Wiebke @PigglePuggle @VickiA

What antibiotics was he given and how long was he in them for?

Ranitidine is anti-bloating; it is better known under its (now sadly discontinued) veterinary brand name zantac. It can be given long term but if there are no digestive issues anymore, you can stop it or ask your vet whether they think you could stop it if you need confirmation.

I vaguely remember only about 2-3 cases over the last decade where human antihistamines have been used by vets over the years but cannot tell you whether they have really helped or not as sadly we do very often not get any feedback. True allergies in guinea pigs are very rare. I am sorry that I can't help you any more.
 
I've not been prescribed Piriton for mine at all, but hay allergy was the suggestion when one of my pigs got a URI a month after I adopted him, and repeated courses of Baytril and Septrin didn't shift it. My then vet suggested wetting his hay and using one of the paper type beddings, but they didn't help either. In his case it was when I saw an exotic vet about my other pig that it was suggested we try a different antibiotic (Zithromax) which can be used for guineas but isn't licensed for them; fortunately my regular vet agreed to try it and a course of it cured his infection.
 
Thanks everyone.

He's had 20 days each of Sulfatrim and Marbocare.

I can hear him crackling and snuffling from across the room today so I don't think the Piriton is doing anything at all.

Poop wise he's been soft and squidgy for weeks now and he seems in pain passing stools. He's still the same today. I took him off veg and that hasn't made any difference either. I beginning to think all the meds have possibly screwed up his system. But the vet just said it was constipation from the antibiotics...nearly 3 weeks on I would have expected some improvement!

The vet should be calling today. I want to stop all the meds and give his gut chance to settle.

I've been supplementing with Emeraid so he's put weight on and seems ok in himself.

I'm also going to talk about a nose swab test as the vet hasn't recommended one, suggesting it'd be costly. But I've spent hundreds on vet visits and medication so far.
 
It’s strange, I had a pig in a very similar situation. When he was about 2, he started with the crackly breathing. He was diagnosed with URI and on all different antibiotics for about 6 months and nothing would stop it. It would sort of come and go, he’d be really noisy and crackly for a while and then stop and then a while after it would start again. It was like this for all his life. There were no antibiotics that could cure it and no real diagnosis that could be made after all the tests were run. Trying to treat whatever it was was very financially draining.
Eventually, we concluded that though it’s not a normal thing, it’s just a part of him that can’t be fixed. He had no other symptoms of URI or anything else, just crackly breathing. If you’re not finding anything explicitly wrong with him and the antibiotics aren’t working, it could be the same thing. For my pig, we had to just let him get on with it and it didn’t faze him. However I will say, that there were occasions where his crackly breathing would make him cough and whenever this happened he went to the vet and was prescribed antibiotics. It never got rid of the crackly breathing, but it would stop the coughing. He ended up passing away at age 5 because of liver disease. It’s unknown whether he got liver disease because of all the antibiotics he was tried on and took constantly for many many months or if it was something that just happened. I think to say he had had this respiratory problem since he was 2, living to 5 was a good age for him.
I still think it was really weird, but there was no conclusion which could be drawn aside from just let him get on with it until you see it affecting him such as coughing and that’s what we did. Thinking about it, he might have even been 1 and a half when he first started with it. He was young anyway. I think part of it was because of where he was kept when he was a baby. He was in a cramped and slightly unsanitary situation before we got him. There were so many piggies in the cage with him and then about 5 other cages stacked on top of his. So I kind of think the place he was kept played a part in the predisposed respiratory problems
 
Thank you.

I haven't spoken to the vet yet but I've made my mind up to stop the meds. I'm going to keep him on the Emeraid for a bit longer as he's still 200g lighter than his brother so a bit of extra help there can't hurt.

I'm a bit nervous with lockdown and if he goes downhill suddenly but I feel that, for now, cramming him with drugs isn't the right thing. He seems happy enough in himself and is eating and drinking so we'll just have to see how things go.
 
Thank you.

I haven't spoken to the vet yet but I've made my mind up to stop the meds. I'm going to keep him on the Emeraid for a bit longer as he's still 200g lighter than his brother so a bit of extra help there can't hurt.

I'm a bit nervous with lockdown and if he goes downhill suddenly but I feel that, for now, cramming him with drugs isn't the right thing. He seems happy enough in himself and is eating and drinking so we'll just have to see how things go.
Definitely just keep a close eye on him and make sure he doesn’t get any worse then.
Lockdown shouldn’t affect veterinary treatment. Vets are essential workers and denying an animal vet care is against the law so practices will be staying open during lockdown as they did last time
 
Dennis has had a URI since the 11th September. He has been on 2 different antibiotics as well as Metacam. The vet said to stop the antibiotics (he had been on the 2nd lot for 2 weeks) and use a nebuliser with F10 antiseptic instead as I was relunctant to give yet more antibiotics as in total he'd been on them for about 5 weeks . Dennis has now been "nebulised" for a week and his breathing is still rattly but the gunk in his airways sounds a bit looser if that makes sense. He is only rattly on the in breath now and not honking on the outbreath and isn't sounding like a mini steam train any more. The OH reckons he now sounds like a duck!
 
Really appreciate everyone comments.

I'll be keeping a close eye on him definitely. I know the vets will see him, it's more about how quickly if he takes a sudden turn. Just me panicking and overthinking a bit really.

Dash is snoozing at the moment and I cant hear anything from this side of the room except the occasional snuffle, so it only seems to crackly audible when hes being active and moving around.

I'm looking into how to reduce hay dust and other irritants to hell a d I'll have a look at the nebuliser too.

I've got my fingers crossed that he'll keep gaining weight and he'll be able to knock this on the head eventually without much more interference. Or that it turns out to be more irritant based and I can alleviate that long term for him.
 
Ok so spoken to the vet. He's happy to stop the Piriton as it doesn't seem to be working.

He doesn't think the ranitidine would contribute to the dodgy poop and suggested I keep giving it, but ultimately gave me the choice on that one. I haven't seen any improvement since Dash has been taking it so I'm sceptical on what it's doing, although I obviously dont know how Dash feels in himself.

And the vet said continue with the Nutrabio - that at least seems to have helped, it was still soft and squishy just now but at least the poop had more of a pellet than a pat shape!

Antibiotics are still on the cards but we've agreed to tackle the back end first given that he's otherwise ok in himself.
 
UPDATE
So we were back at the vets tonight for a check up. Back end is significantly better...we aren't quite normal yet but we're well on the way. The vet had a good prod and poke and cant see / feel any signs of anything untoward. He's going to do a faecal test just to rule out anything there.

Nasal noise wise, Dash is still sneezing pretty regularly and I can hear him whistling when he's pootling round his cage. But I'm not hearing anything when he's sleeping so it suggests anything going on isn't too gunky. The vet couldn't see any discharge from his nose and his lungs were ok.

Plan is to let the back end settle some more and keep an eye on the nose. If he gets worse then we'll give some Metacam a go, and then its be back onto antibiotics. Fingers crossed we don't have to go there again though!

So it was a cheaper visit than normal as I haven't come home with lots of drugs. A step in a better direction at least. Spud also got a clean bill of health and praised for being a fat little (800g) piggy.

As some extra measures I now have an air purifier on the go to see if that might help at all.
 
UPDATE
So we stayed off all meds for a good while and gradually back end activity got back to normal. Perfect poops, slave very happy.

But Dash is still sneezing, has a whistling/ crackly nose. We tried Metacam for a good few days...no change to nose noise. So we decided to give Sulfatrim another shot.

He's been on it for just a few days now and already his poops are going soft and out of shape :( I was putting a bit of the Nutrabio on the syringe each time as he wont take the Sulfatrim that easily and I hoped the probiotic would help his gut but it hasn't quite worked out.

Waiting for a call back from the vets later to decide what to do. He's perfectly 'normal 'in every other way so I'm really loathed to keep him on antibiotics if they're going to send his poop horrible again but still not fix what the vet thinks is a very stubborn URI.
 
I’m sorry the issue is still ongoing. Metacam is a painkiller (anti inflammatory) rather than an antibiotic so wouldn’t really work on the nose noise or wheezing.

I hope the sulfatrim does the job. Unfortunately antibiotics can and do mess with their guts. As for probiotic, it’s usually advised you give it an hour before or after the antibiotics.
 
Thank you.
Might have worried too soon. Back end activity much better today so it might just has been a blip! Will carry on and keep an eye.
 
So one of my guineas has the same nasal issue. It comes and goes but would last long periods of time. I couldn't find anything to help with it and one day decided to try having him on the bathroom with me while I took a shower for the steam. And it worked! So now when I start to hear that crackling noise, I just let him run around the bathroom and take long hot shower and hes good for a while. Maybe give it a try.
 
UPDATE
So two rounds of Sulfatrim, one of Marbocare and one of Baytril haven't managed to get rid of the nose crackle and sneezing.

The vet is now thinking Dash has an underlying viral condition. He thinks that as Dash seems perfectly ok otherwise, it's likely that we tackled the bacterial infection he had at the start of all this, but now there isn't anything for the antibiotics to attack. The crackly nose is just a lingering sign of this potential viral issue.

I can accept that and think its a logical conclusion for now. My cat has something similar and he regularly has a couple of symptoms that crop up but otherwise don't impact his life...if he has a big flare up then we take him to the vet to fire fight.

So we're coming off meds for now and we're going to keep a close eye on Dash to see how things go. The vet has some ideas for maybe helping to alleviate the crackly nose which I'm going to talk to him about when we have a check up on Tuesday.

The vet reckons Spud probably has the same condition but as he's a bigger and stronger piggy it doesn't show.

It's been a bit of a roller coaster for the last few months and it might not be over but at least Dash seems to be a happy, active piggy. He just snuffles. We'll see how we go and keep our fingers crossed.
 
Dash hasn't been right for months, there's another thread on here which explains what's been going on. I put him to bed last night and he seemed fine...bit of a nose crackle. But he was active, ate all his veggies and was happily munching on hay.

This morning he has a severe head tilt and looks like he's in pain, his nose noise also seems thicker. There was no poop in the cage and a quick weigh suggests he hasn't eaten overnight so I got some Emeraid down him which he ate readily. I put some hay right in front of him too and he's had a nibble so we've had some poops appear thankfully.

We're off to the vets at 1230. Just need some good vibes that it's something we can treat.
 
I’m going to merge your post with your other thread so everything is in one place. Wishing you all the best with the appointment. Hopefully they’ll get to the bottom of it.
 
Dash hasn't been right for months, there's another thread on here which explains what's been going on. I put him to bed last night and he seemed fine...bit of a nose crackle. But he was active, ate all his veggies and was happily munching on hay.

This morning he has a severe head tilt and looks like he's in pain, his nose noise also seems thicker. There was no poop in the cage and a quick weigh suggests he hasn't eaten overnight so I got some Emeraid down him which he ate readily. I put some hay right in front of him too and he's had a nibble so we've had some poops appear thankfully.

We're off to the vets at 1230. Just need some good vibes that it's something we can treat.

BIG HUGS

I am so sorry! It seems something has moved on further towards his inner ear/brain. it can be the virus or it can be a new bacterial infection due to his lowered immune system.

Fingers firmly crossed for your poorly boy. I am ever so sorry that you are having such a bad ride with him!

Once you get past the standard problems, treatment options are unfortunately running out quickly and so does the possibility of pinning down the problem. :(
 
Thinking of you and Dash, I hope The vet can suggest some new meds to help x
 
Thanks everyone.

So a rubbish morning but not too bad at the moment...

Like any good child he looked all pained and poorly at home but by the time we got to the vets he was munching on hay. He has an ear infection, hence the head tilt, although since his vets visit it's already improved. He had a temperature of 40 though so the vet was surprised he was as perky as he was.

As we've tried oral antibiotics already, the vet wanted to go for injections with a plan that I would continue them at home. Unfortunately not only am I needle phobic but I was already feeling quite fragile this morning so I ended up sobbing whilst the vet was trying to demonstrate. Thankfully I didn't go all funny about the needles, but I think the fact that piggy skin is quite thick and it seemed an effort to do the jab just messed with my head.

Dash seemed absolutely fine about it though, he only really squeeked and wiggled when the vet pinched his skin ready for the jab.

So with me being a mess about it we're going to see the nurse tomorrow and I already had a vets appointment on Tuesday anyway - that buys me a couple of days. We'll see how he is and decide what the plan is from there...hubby might be prepared to do the injections, I really don't think I can bring myself to do it but at least I could hold Dash.
 
Oh gosh I can see why giving your piggies injections would be upsetting! One of my boys is currently getting cartrophen injections and I was offered to be able to give them at home but I said I’d rather the nurse did it and I drove up each time as I didn’t fancy it either (his are a bit different though and are a week or two apart!) Glad to hear he’s feeling better and you’ve got to the bottom of it all though! Keep us updated with how little Dash gets on! 🥰
 
He's almost back to normal, crackle aside, right now. I had a horrible feeling this morning that this was it but if you saw him now you'd think I was crazy. I'm just glad I took a video to show the vet..at first glance all he saw was a non tilted piggy scoffing down hay.

Bless the vet though, he kept apologising for making me cry with the needles. Had to tell him it certainly wasn't his fault and that he was doing his best to fix Dash. Not his fault at all that I'm a big wuss.
 
UPDATE
To look at him you'd think he was fine. His temperature is back to normal, his head tilt is non existent and he's zooming around the play pen like a blinking rocket.

I've had another nerve wracking day though as I decided to give his jabs a go. Hubby took him for the nurse appointment yesterday in the hope he could learn how to do them, but as we're not allowed in the small consultation rooms and there were too many dogs in the waiting area he wasn't allowed to observe.

So it was back on me today - I was a super brave piggy slave...I didn't cry and thankfully I didn't pass out either. I've got another 10 days to go which puts us at the end just before Christmas. We're not too hopeful that this will be a permanent crackle cure but fingers crossed it allows him to live life vet visit free for a good while.

Frustratingly Spud has developed a sniffle and has been sneezing a lot today so we're going to give him a round of Doxycycline. He responded well to antibiotics last time so this is hopefully just a blip.
 
UPDATE

And the saga continues.

First evening giving Dash his jabs was alright...took us 2 separate attempts to do both the antibiotics and Metacam but he got his doses. Slaves will be better tonight. Dash seems OK in himself, but crackly and sneezy still, so I'm losing hope that this round will do anything more than tackle the ear infection he has.

Spud started his doxycycline last night. Today we've had a very subdued piggy, minimal hay nibbling and no poop all day. He's had Emeraid throughout the day and, after a call to the vet, we've dosed some Ratinidine. He's started to poop and it looks normal. Just waiting on the vet to call again to find out whether we continue with the doxycycline or not. If we don't continue that was one very expensive bottle of meds wasted but it needs to be right for Spud.
 
UPDATE
We weren't better. I have got more stressed and tearful trying to give the jabs so last night we gave up and Dash is booked in with the nurse for the next few days.

He seems fine in himself...he still has his crackly nose thought so whilst the ear infection might have gone, the jabs haven't made a difference to the original problem.

I think we're out of options, other than maybe trying to find a truly specialised exotics vet to see if there's anything else. I'm at the vets on Wednesday so we'll go from there.

Spud is almost back on track after his poor reaction to the doxycycline. He seems OK but not 100%...we've focused on keeping him eating so far so we might need to revisit his antibiotic options at Wednesdays appointment if nothing changes between now and then.

Finding it incredibly difficult at the moment. I don't think we can cure them, it's been 4 months and we've tried 4 different antibiotics. At best they might just be sniffly piggies and generally live a happy enough life, middle ground is that they need regular vets visit for top up antibiotics as the nastier side of things keeps flaring up, and well worst case is a complete decline. They're only 6 months old.

I genuinely don't know what to do next. Every time I think we might be getting anywhere, something else seems to crop up.

How have others coped with this type of thing?
 
UPDATE
Dash had his last jab on Christmas Eve. Yesterday, his head tilt returned so we dosed with Baytril. Although this did seem to help in some ways, as the day progressed he became more disorientated, listing to one side, struggling to stand and I really thought this would be it. We gave him a second dose of Baytril and this morning he had improved although he was still struggling significantly with his balance.

We went straight into the vet. This is the second time we've come off antibiotics and within hours have seen him go down hill with this ear problem. Sadly this time he has not bounced back physically as well, although he is still eating and trying to be active as best he can.

It was an upsetting conversation with the vet and it feels like we may very well have to make a difficult decision in the very near future. The vet believes that whenever we take Dash off antibiotics we're likely to see a recurrence in this inner ear issue, or a worsening of his other breathing symptoms and we'll end up constantly on and off antibiotics. This is happening already and although trying to keep him going is an option on the table, its also about whether that's the right thing to do for him long term. Particularly if he could be in pain in those in between times, or his balance problems cause any suffering.

Spud has had very soft poos all week and has lost over 100g despite our interventions. We've given him some more medication today and the back end seems to have a improved a little so perhaps we might be turning a corner but it's hard to say. It's likely he has the same underlying issues as Dash as he's had similar symptoms here and there, although overall it's manifested a bit differently as he's always been the stronger piggy. And that doesn't mean we won't end up in the same place.

We have a second opinion appointment with an exotic specialist on 4 Jan which might offer us a new insight for both boys, but at this point I'm not seeing how they can turn things around. I'm also worried that its still a long time away for Dash.

I'm devasted to say the least. The thought of having to say goodbye to one or both is heartbreaking. I've changed Dash's cage layout around so he doesn't have to climb about so much and we're going to continue with the Baytril for now. I have another appointment with the vet on Tuesday.
 
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