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What Would You Do In My Position?

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Sian25 said:
I just feel like everything is going wrong. I didn't go to bed last night and just feel like death haha. Just want my babies better. I've rang the vets and I'm getting a call back.. I will definitely leave the other dose for tonight.

How long before emeprid will start to take affect? Also Hugo has now lost 50g since before surgery :(
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it should start to work fairly quickly as they have quick metabolisms.

Try not to worry about the weight it will improve, ours always lose after surgery in past as they aren't eating as much.

Main things now is are they eating bits and are they pooing. The metacam will help with any pain and keep them pain free and the emeprid will keep the gut moving.
 
I wouldn't go missing doses. Ideally it needs to be given at regular intervals to get the gut moving. See what the vet says and take it from there. Guinea pigs have such a fast metabolism that it will be out of their system very quickly and therefore will need to be repeated. Once you have spoken to the vet, put some veggies and other stuff in the cage and get yourself to bed for a few hours. If you are scared about sleeping for too long then set an alarm, but you must get some rest. Sleep deprivation is a form of torture and you are going to find yourself totally unable to think logically. I had a lot of poorly piggies to deal with a couple of weeks ago and wasn't sleeping, and was up most of the night syringe feeding. I ended up phoning the vets in floods of tears, saying I didn't feel I could trust my judgement any more. I have a lot of experience of dealing with poorly piggies, but lack of sleep completely pushed me over the edge. You are doing all that needs to be done, so get the dosage sorted and then get some shut eye! x
 
I don't know who even prescribed the emeprid as Molly varga is not working there today. Once he calls back, I gather he is going to say it's a fine dose but I have no idea whether this vet is cavy savvy.

Alsoooo mummy's little superstar has just WILLINGLY eaten 6ml critical care and hopefully still going (once he finishes eating the poo he's just pulled out his bum ha)

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I've found online that 0.5-1mg of emeprid per kg. Does anyone understand this and can change into ml?
 
Sian25 said:
The vet has just rang and said the dosage is fine. Apparently between 0.2ml and 1ml twice daily per kg?
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Great to have clarification off the vet, hopefully that will set your mind at rest. Continued recovery vibes being sent
 
Sian25 said:
I've found online that 0.5-1mg of emeprid per kg. Does anyone understand this and can change into ml?
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What this means as a rough guide you can prescribe between 0.5ml to 1ml of Emeprid per each 1 kg your pig weighs.

It really does sound like your boys are doing fine.. We know its easy for us to say but try and relax. You are doing a wonderful job but stop reading up on everything and every eventuality. Take this time to bond with your boys by telling them stories of the wonderful wifepigs they will be able to choose and move in with once they are all healed in 6 weeks time.

Lisa & Ali.. x
 
Yeah so the guideline is 0.5mg-1mg per kg per day. And I am being prescribed 1ml twice a day.

Something's not right :(
 
Sian25 said:
Yeah so the guideline is 0.5mg-1mg per kg per day. And I am being prescribed 1ml twice a day.

Something's not right :(
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Its fine. Don't worry. Your vet is the expert here not the internet. What the internet doesn't know is what type of animal, what it is being prescribed for and the metabolic rate of the animals absorption of the medication which does increase after an operation. Its the way the body heals itself. Please enjoy this time. Your boys are eating and pooping so everything points to them making a good recovery.
 
Okay I know I was posting on another thread but I need answers ASAP before I go insane :(

My boys weigh 1.107kg and 1.153kg and have been prescribed 1ml emeprid TWICE DAILY. I thought it seemed high but the vet is adamant it's not too high. But anyway I just found this...image.webp

This is based on 0.5mg/kg however I've seen that you can use max of 1mg/kg.

So doubling the figures would be 2.5ml per 5kg twice daily

My boys are not much over 1kg so dividing 2.5ml by 5kg = 0.5ml twice daily MAX.

My boys have had double this and now I'm so so so worried. I'm tagging people in this, sorry to go on and on but I don't know what to do next

@furryfriends (TEAS) @pig in the city @Wiebke @Abi_nurse @lisaali @helen105281 @VickiA @sport_billy @Stewybus and anyone else who has had dealings with emeprid
 
Is that the bottle you have been given or did you pick up a bottle with the dosage on a label? It will depend on what strength the vet has used to make it up into a solution. I am sure your boys will be fine, any ill effects would have presented themselves by now x
 
I'm trying to work out what the active ingredient of emeprid is. Is it metaclopramide? Reading the info sheet I have found about it, it says regarding overdose
Overdose: Most of the clinical signs reported after an overdosage are well known extrapyramidal side effects. In the absence of a specific antidote, it is recommended to offer a calm environment to the animal until extrapyramidal side effects disappear. Metoclopramide being rapidly metabolised and eliminated, side effects generally disappear quickly.

These side effects are - Adverse reactions: In some very rare cases, extrapyramidal effects (agitation, ataxia, abnormal positions and/or movements, prostration, tremors and aggression, vocalisation) have been observed after treatment of dogs and cats. These observed effects are transient and disappear when treatment is stopped.

Ok, they only mention dogs and cats, but it suggests that EVEN IF the dose was too much, a single large dose MAY cause some transient minor issues.

I hope that one of the experienced forum members you trust can come and reassure you properly, but I hope that this helps you breathe a bit easier whilst you wait.
 
The vet has just rang back and insists he uses 'veterinary formulary' or something along those lines which he pays for and said he gives 1ml per pig up to THREE TIMES A DAY! He apparently does this with degus, chinchillas etc. I felt so bad on the phone because clearly he's the vet and I'm obviously not but I spent a lot of time finding a vet to get my boys neutered. They required the emeprid today and unfortunately the vet that neutered my pigs is not working today so another vet prescribed the meds. I don't have a clue if this vet is cavy savvy and have a really hard time trusting vets after the last one (claiming to be exotics expert) asked me if my guinea pig had vomited :eek:
 
Also @Tigermoth I read what you said about a large dose may cause transient effects but this vet wants me to give this twice daily for 4 days but I can't find anyone else that has had this high of a dose.

Also it just says 125ml price per ml. Nothing else
 
Sian25 said:
The vet has just rang back and insists he uses 'veterinary formulary' or something along those lines which he pays for and said he gives 1ml per pig up to THREE TIMES A DAY! He apparently does this with degus, chinchillas etc. I felt so bad on the phone because clearly he's the vet and I'm obviously not but I spent a lot of time finding a vet to get my boys neutered. They required the emeprid today and unfortunately the vet that neutered my pigs is not working today so another vet prescribed the meds. I don't have a clue if this vet is cavy savvy and have a really hard time trusting vets after the last one (claiming to be exotics expert) asked me if my guinea pig had vomited :eek:
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Guinea pigs and other rodents have a very different metabolism from cats and dogs, which is what you trying to work out - and where you are necessarily falling down. Guinea pigs need a much higher dosage compared to cats and dogs; double if not triple for their body weight.

If your vet is adamant that the dosage is right, then please follow his advice! He has got the necessary experience with the strength of emeprid he is providing whereas we haven't. You have made sure that the dosage was not a mistake; please have trust in your vet! Your boys are doing pretty OK as far as recovery goes, so he must know what he is doing.

As @pig in the city has already told you, the neutering vet for her rescue is using high dosages, too. Both vets are practised with small animals.

PS: PLEASE keep it all to one thread. We do not want to chase the same issue all over the forum. All you create is a lot of confusion, misleading advice and more panic for yourself, which is NOT helping anybody or anypig!
 
Sorry @Wiebke I was just panicking and thought a new thread could attract other members with experience that hadn't read my previous thread. I will try and settle now
 
Both piggies seem to be picking at a lot more food I have offered now:yahoo: although they seem to need to be reminded to eat? Most of the time they are sleeping in hidies but once I pick up their food I've left by hidies then they do eat some. Neither are keen on their normal pellets at the moment but have picked at their hay, readigrass, carrot houses and oxbow timothy hay treats. Both have had some critical care & mushed pellets (although not as much as I would have wanted). Milan has been at his water bottle quite a lot but not seen Hugo drink anything himself so I am trying to get extra water into him. Just hoping this is enough to keep them going until their appetite returns
 
Sian25 said:
Sorry @Wiebke I was just panicking and thought a new thread could attract other members with experience that hadn't read my previous thread. I will try and settle now
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No, you won't attract any more members, as the ones keeping a close eye on this section will get automatic alerts and will have a look in as soon as they have the time to come onto the forum next to their normal day job. all you attract is more people who have no idea what is going on and therefore the potential to create a very nice mess of confusion and contradiction. I am going to merge the threads for you. ;)

Please take a deep breath and calm down; you are not helping your boys or yourself by going bonkers.

Even if the higher dosage was really wrong (which it obviously isn't), your boys are most unlikely to take any harm whether you give lots of emeprid or none at all (like in the olden days); it just stimulates the gut muscle contraction and therefore the appetite.
 
Did his abdomen look like this when he 1st came home @Sian25 ?

His abdomen looks swollen to me - is the "swollen area " warm?

I am tagging @Wiebke
 
The right side is swollen but seems to have come down a bit since he got home from the vets last night
 
This the dose prescribed by our vet. Is yours a different strength? However, if your vet has advised you as to what you should give, then go with it.DSC_0034.webp

To be honest, the wound looks like the vet has operated in the dark. However, your boys are still doing well and you are doing well for them. Try and step back from the forum for a little while. Make yourself a drink, get something to eat and take some time out. Watch some TV or something. Leave the pigs to it for a while, even just half an hour. The forum will still be here when you get back. You're doing great. :)
 
@MintyAndGarry (TEAS) I'd love to be able to step away from the forum for a while, I've not been to sleep since Sunday night and my heads all over the place haha. I just don't want to sleep incase something happens to them- I'd feel responsible.

Is the swelling on the right something to be concerned about? I've not seen any neuters before until @furryfriends (TEAS) sent a pic of one that was done completely different but my other boy looks a lot neater

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Sian25 said:
Both piggies seem to be picking at a lot more food I have offered now:yahoo: although they seem to need to be reminded to eat? Most of the time they are sleeping in hidies but once I pick up their food I've left by hidies then they do eat some. Neither are keen on their normal pellets at the moment but have picked at their hay, readigrass, carrot houses and oxbow timothy hay treats. Both have had some critical care & mushed pellets (although not as much as I would have wanted). Milan has been at his water bottle quite a lot but not seen Hugo drink anything himself so I am trying to get extra water into him. Just hoping this is enough to keep them going until their appetite returns
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They are doing fine for day one! :tu:

Give their bodies time to work out the operation drugs, to settle from the op and to heal. That usually takes 2-3 days although you should see an improvement with every passing day. It is great that they are eating at all. it is not unusual that not all food groups are taken on board equally when a piggy is not feeling quite right, but it is very much in the minor range.
 
It does look swollen, but you say the swelling is reducing, so that's good. It sounds like they're both doing okay now, so just take a bit of time out for yourself. You are doing a great job, and I know how stressful and upsetting it is when you are worried, but you need to look after yourself too. If you feel the wound is still looking very different from his mates, then maybe get a follow up vet appointment a little sooner than Friday. Try not to worry, they are doing fine now, thanks to your wonderful care. xx
 
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