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Why Are Guinea Shows Looked Down Upon On Here?

Discussion in 'Guinea Pig Chat' started by Ayla, Sep 18, 2014.

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  1. Ayla

    Ayla Junior Guinea Pig

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    just out of curiosity i've seen a few videos online for guinea pig shows and haven't seen anything cruel, then on here i've seen that shows are not to be discussed. why is that? i disagree with the clothes completely if they do.
     
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    I think it's to do with the intentional breeding ot guinea pigs for showing purposes, and the forum doesnt support intentional breeding of any kind when so many piggies are in rescues x
     
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    I think @Flutterby is right. I went to a piggy club show with my granddaughters once, not knowing anything about them. There were breeders there showing their piggies and handing out their cards for people to buy their pigs. We now go to a rescue up the coast instead that has a piggy open day once a month. People show their own pets in fun categories like biggest nose, cutest ears, for a small fee. Also your piggies can get a groom for a small fee - I get the boys' nails cut whenever we go. The rescue raises money in this way and everyone has fun admiring each others' pigs.
     
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    That sounds like a lot of fun! And I had no idea about the breeding purposes behind it just a fun cute thing I was thinking
     
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    There is a big difference between pet shows and the large competitive shows. I won't watch crufts dog show, but go to the Great Greyhound Gathering show, which is just for rescued greys.
     
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    I think its because breeding for showing creates "wastage" in that the pigs that are not considered show standard are valueless for their intended purpose and that puts even more unwanted piggies into the already over crowded piggies-looking-for-homes market?

    I'm the same as Treacle, hate dog shows but used to take my rescue greyhound to rescue greyhound events and the Dogs Trust shows, (he once won "most soulful eyes"!) but those are often more of a publicity thing to interest the general dog owning public to encourage adoption not buying puppies.

    I dont know how the "forum mods" feel about animal charity fun shows to be honest, I'm sure they will tell us ;).
     
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    I'd like to know what people think about "fun" shows too.
     
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    With my old set up, I used to take in old breeding stock females and non show standard female piggies, I paid for them, less then the going rate for what they were. Unfortunately, the breeder was a cow, I was due to collect a couple of piggies, but broke my wrist, she hounded me by text for 8 weeks, in the end I told her to get stuffed. She just wanted the money.
    She did give me ASBO, a young breeding female, who was put in with a prize boar, and she barbered all his fur off over night! Bless! One for girl piggies rights! We did think she might be pregnant, but she wasn't! The boar must have been petrified of her!
     
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    Girl power !
     
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    There is a big difference between pet shows and the large competitive shows.
     
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    I posted that when I saw a friendly video of one on YouTube then as more and it,just made me sad it kinda just seemed like a nice thing to meet others but I had no idea so my bad on that see why they're frowned upon
     
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    I think it depends on the show its self. There are shows that only care about breeding 'the best' piggies and stuff like that which are just ridiculous - all piggies are gorgeous! It would be nice to see more piggie events that arent about 'showing' your pig, but rather going to meet other people with piggies, buying lovely items for them (including people setting up their own stalls to sell their handmade items), getting them pampered/groomed and raising awareness of rescues/charities that help piggies. Its sad that we don't have more of that.
     
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    I agree. Last April, I went to Cavy Corner's Fun Day and that was exactly what this day was about .

    http://www.cavycorner.org/2014 Fun Day.html

    I still look upon myself as a newbie and I learnt loads. I watched Winston syringe feed Snowpig and I bought lots lovely new things for my guinea pigs.
     
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    A local fun or charity pet "show" with competition categories like 'who is the fastest eater' is something completely different from professional breeding shows for perfect piggies.

    If you want to take part at a local pet show, please make sure that your piggies are confident enough to cope with the stress of being out of their usual surroundings, the general hubbub and with being handled by strangers; the interests and welfare of your piggies should be paramount, not your own desire for a bit of fun!
    Cavy Corner Sanctuary for instance take great care that only piggies who are fine with this go with them to events, to schools for education purposes or to care homes. They have got a network of volunteers who handle and cuddle the Sanctuary piggies to make sure that all get regular human attention.

    The second category of pedigree shows unfortunately creates a tier of piggies that are not up to standard and that often end up as neglected second class citizens or being sold without any care for what kind of home they go to. This often gets even worse for no longer needed breeding sows or stud boars.
    Professional breeders are mainly there for business/selling and not for the sake of animal welfare purposes. We also do not agree with some professional showing practices like forcing long-haired piggies to live with curlers in order to keep their coat pristine nor with the often far too small cubicles in which they are kept all their life long, as well as the way they are often ripped in and out of any established bonds without any consideration for guinea pig instinct and social protocols.
    We are well aware that there are some very caring and welfare-conscious people amongst the breeders and have no truck with them whatsoever, but in our and their own experience they are sadly still very much a minority. Animal welfare is something that needs to be as urgently discussed and redefined on the breeding side (who so far seem only concerned with showing standards, but not so much with how they are achieved) as do rescue standards and the need for licensing on the rescue side. As long as there are no clear rules and standards of care, we have to draw our own lines as a forum.

    Sadly, several good standard small guinea pig rescues have been brought to the brink or beyond by having job lots of no longer wanted and often pregnant/neglected breeder piggies dumped on them, often with them being lied to or even openly abused by unscrupulous people eager to unload.
    The latest victim of that is a RNGP Welfare in Rugby which was the only rescue with a spaying policy in the UK and which did a great service to mainly older bereaved or young unbondable boars all over the country, but which closed down at the beginning of this year after finding a lot cardboard boxes with 16 mostly pregnant sows and 5 boars dumped on their drive one Sunday morning - they ended up with well over 30 babies (and a deadborn/dying baby in nearly every litter) in the end and struggled especially to find homes for all the white/pink-eyed boys. This was sadly the straw that broke the camel's back after all mums and babies were found new homes... :(

    Unfortunately, we have made the experience as a forum that whenever we have a line somewhere in the middle, it gets inevitably poked at. Breeding and showing are areas that many people are passionate about, and we have had very heated discussions in the past, which have created a tense general atmosphere on the forum and caused unhappy/upset members to withdraw or leave. Hence our "zero" stance.

    @lisaali
     
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    Just to add to what @Wiebke has said.

    One of the forum rules states that:-

    No member should discuss 'showing' in regards to club/breeder shows as this is against the forum ethos.

    Maybe a small clarification is needed with respect to the forum rule - it is meant primarily in that the Forum does not allow the promotion of any pet event whose main function is the promotion and showing/breeding of guinea pigs.

    Some rescues will advertise their open days as 'shows' in order to attract the general public. They're actually not 'shows' at all, as stated above the issue is with the club/breeder specific shows - perhaps some of us don't realise there's a difference?

    On the forum we differentiate between fun pet shows, taking into consideration what @Wiebke has said in the above post, especially for charity, where all piggies are included and pedigree shows where the aim is to judge the best, creating inevitably a category of "not good enough", which sadly often means, unwanted and not worth being properly cared for.

    Below is an actual post on a Facebook page which highlights the world behind the scenes with regard to Guinea Pig Showing.

    Would anyone be interested is giving a disabled guinea pig a loving home? He's a loving friendly guy, from show stock, who was dumped back on the doorstep of the breeder around 5 weeks ago along with a little female. He has a head tilt, probably due to an inner ear infection which was left untreated for too long leaving permanent damage.

    Lisa & Ali..
     
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