will someone PLEASE HELP ME DECIDE what to do.. help with bullying

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Thankyou but that thread is more regardinf dominence behaviour in boars and not actual signs of intentional bullying. I dont no what to do for best.
 
http://www.susieandpigs.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bullying.htm

Bullying is an extreme form of dominance; one way of defining the line is by separating your boars for a night. If one of them perks up noticeably once on his own, you know that he is not happy with his mate. otherwise, they are OK with each other, especially if both are trying to get together again.
 
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Maybe you should have taken him to a rescue that's experienced in binding rather than going to a breeder?
 
As mentioned on your other threads, i would class bullying as forcibly stopping the other from eating, attacking and drawing blood. Also what wiekbe said. When a pair of mine fell out temporarily i put the smaller one in a travel carrier for at least 3 days until i had the chance to properly re-bond them. There's a lot of behaviour which can look worrying to us but you have to let them work it out, its a natural process to them to establish their heirarchy :)
 
I agree with gogoguineas. If one is stopping the other from eating, drinking, going in/coming out of the hidey etc etc then I would class this as bullying.
The best way to prevent bullying is to have one of everything on opposite sides of the cage. Two feed bowls, two water bottles, two hideys. That way if one is stopping the other from eating he can go to the other end of the cage and eat.

You say in your other thread that you have them in a Ferplast 120. Have you considered getting a larger cage? As, although this is the recommended size for two guinea pigs, two males will often get along a lot better if they have more space and also it will be easier for Ditto to get away from the little one.
 
Saying she should have gone to a rescue in retrospect isn't really helping the situation. She has him now, and even bonded rescue pigs can fall out later down the line.
 
PAMELAKT said:
Saying she should have gone to a rescue in retrospect isn't really helping the situation. She has him now, and even bonded rescue pigs can fall out later down the line.
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It's just a little frustrating when someone asks for advice, gets given some good, sound advice, ignores it, then ends up with a difficult situation, and wants advice from the same people on how to rectify it!

Lil-ninnibig, you may have more success with advice/info/suggestions if you stick to one thread too, as information and stuff can get lost and people don't know what other people have suggested - best to keep it all in one place.
 
I think questions like this would be best addressed to the appropriate forum discussion, ie behaviour as you'll get more views, perhaps you could ask a mod to move it so you don't have to repeat it.

Guinea pig chat tends to be more fun stuff to do with piggies than serious on the whole.

http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=21

I don't think capitalising helps though especially after the other threads where it seem quite a lot of people already commented to try and help you. It comes across as rude which I'm sure you don't mean to be.
 
It does get quite confusing seeing multiple threads on the same topic - i think the problem with this is that the more topics started will mean less replies due to people either commenting and not wanting to repeat themselves or others being confused and not wanting to comment in case it's already been said in a previous thread.

I would stick to just using the one thread for your boar problems, it'll make it much easier for you to go back to if you need to refer to something and those that can help will be able to see what you've already been advised and may be able to offer further advice.
 
naughty boys.

I've recently had a lot of problems with dominance and fighting. I put a baby (Alfred) with my older male Frank, all was fine until Alfred turned on Frank a few months down the line biting him causing 3 deep infections. I split them, now Frank has a new baby companion (Darwin), he sniffs his bottom ALOT, he does some rumble strutting but he doesn't hurt him, doesn't prevent him from eating and even cleans him etc. It's being able to distinguish between good dominance and bad.
Ensure you split them before its too late, as Frank is now more timid and I know for sure it has affected him long term!
P.S. this is my first ever post on here so hi! :))
 
Amanda1801 said:
It's just a little frustrating when someone asks for advice, gets given some good, sound advice, ignores it, then ends up with a difficult situation, and wants advice from the same people on how to rectify it!

Lil-ninnibig, you may have more success with advice/info/suggestions if you stick to one thread too, as information and stuff can get lost and people don't know what other people have suggested - best to keep it all in one place.
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i have not ignored any advice given to me and have taken it on board i can assure you. I find you very judgemental. The lady i got the pig off rescues pigs and also breeds rexes to show. If i stick to using one thread it doesnt appear in new posts does it? And surely will not be noticed? I am still quite new to this forum so please bear with me! And i havent ended up in a difficult situation because i ignored forum members such as yourself i WAS IN that situation due to the piggys simply not getting along. As other posters have informed me not all boar dates are sucessful. Obviously ditto and skitt werent compatible so to speak. Skitt has been returned due to a major attack on ditto. The issues are now resolved and it has been a very stressful time for me and my pet. Comments such as yours make me scared to ask questions and ask for help on matters.they even make me feel like leaving this forum to be honest.
 
Miss Figs Pigs said:
I've recently had a lot of problems with dominance and fighting. I put a baby (Alfred) with my older male Frank, all was fine until Alfred turned on Frank a few months down the line biting him causing 3 deep infections. I split them, now Frank has a new baby companion (Darwin), he sniffs his bottom ALOT, he does some rumble strutting but he doesn't hurt him, doesn't prevent him from eating and even cleans him etc. It's being able to distinguish between good dominance and bad.
Ensure you split them before its too late, as Frank is now more timid and I know for sure it has affected him long term!
P.S. this is my first ever post on here so hi! :))
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hi welcome to the forum :-)
 
Lil-Ninnibig said:
If i stick to using one thread it doesnt appear in new posts does it? And surely will not be noticed? .
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Hi there, everytime somebody posts a new answer on a thread it will appear in the new posts section. Sometime you will see threads that have not been posted on for years coming back onto the new posts because somebody has done a search for something and then posted onto it. I have found the search button excellent when trying to figure out a problem because it will bring up all the threads on a subject, ie try typing in 'behaviour' or 'bullying' and see what it brings up, this means that you can get help not only from the people on the forum just now but also ones from years ago too.
HTH
 
Miss Figs Pigs said:
I've recently had a lot of problems with dominance and fighting. I put a baby (Alfred) with my older male Frank, all was fine until Alfred turned on Frank a few months down the line biting him causing 3 deep infections. I split them, now Frank has a new baby companion (Darwin), he sniffs his bottom ALOT, he does some rumble strutting but he doesn't hurt him, doesn't prevent him from eating and even cleans him etc. It's being able to distinguish between good dominance and bad.
Ensure you split them before its too late, as Frank is now more timid and I know for sure it has affected him long term!
P.S. this is my first ever post on here so hi! :))
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Hi Miss Figs Pigs and welcome to the forum,

You can say hi in this discussion thread if you like

http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=18&order=desc

and if you look in the stories section then we love seeing pics :)

http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=13


Hope you enjoy the forum :)
 
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Lil-Ninnibig said:
she rescues and rehomes pigs aswell as breeding them to show. You can do both you know.
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A breeder that takes in some other guinea pigs and even rehomes them is not a rescue.

A rescue does not breed and add to the problem of the thousands of guinea pigs in rescues all over the country waiting for homes.
A rescue does not breed and put their guinea pigs through the risks of pregnancies and birth.
A rescue is not interested in breeds and pedigree. Every guinea pig is perfect in their own way.
A rescue does not involve themselves in showing where guinea pigs are not allowed to exhibit natural behaviour and are lined up in boxes in noisy rooms where they are prodded and poked and judged.


Find a good rescue where the only thing that matters is the welfare and happiness of all the guinea pigs in their care.

You might not like my post but that doesn't matter. I'm just telling you how it is.
 
Thanks, Flios. Rescuing is all about giving a second chance to the pigs, not about unloading unwanted stock to make way for more babies. Most of the genuine rescues have put up threads about problems and heart rending stories resulting from breeding. If you come on the forum, ask for advice and then don't take it, then don't complain if there is a bit of impatience when that advice is not followed. Boar dating only works if done in the pigs' interest not the human's. Using it as an excuse to unload an unwanted boar is asking for trouble. Check out the boar dating sticky for more on this topuc by the people who REALLY know what they're doing abd have the success rate to prove it.
 
flips said:
A breeder that takes in some other guinea pigs and even rehomes them is not a rescue.

A rescue does not breed and add to the problem of the thousands of guinea pigs in rescues all over the country waiting for homes.
A rescue does not breed and put their guinea pigs through the risks of pregnancies and birth.
A rescue is not interested in breeds and pedigree. Every guinea pig is perfect in their own way.
A rescue does not involve themselves in showing where guinea pigs are not allowed to exhibit natural behaviour and are lined up in boxes in noisy rooms where they are prodded and poked and judged.


Find a good rescue where the only thing that matters is the welfare and happiness of all the guinea pigs in their care.

You might not like my post but that doesn't matter. I'm just telling you how it is.
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Spoken like a true GP slave ! :p
 
flips said:
A breeder that takes in some other guinea pigs and even rehomes them is not a rescue.

A rescue does not breed and add to the problem of the thousands of guinea pigs in rescues all over the country waiting for homes.
A rescue does not breed and put their guinea pigs through the risks of pregnancies and birth.
A rescue is not interested in breeds and pedigree. Every guinea pig is perfect in their own way.
A rescue does not involve themselves in showing where guinea pigs are not allowed to exhibit natural behaviour and are lined up in boxes in noisy rooms where they are prodded and poked and judged.


Find a good rescue where the only thing that matters is the welfare and happiness of all the guinea pigs in their care.

You might not like my post but that doesn't matter. I'm just telling you how it is.
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i can quite assure you her guineapigs were the healthiest and happyiest piggies ive seen, and she breeds and shows rexs as a hobby that is her choice. She doesnt just rescue and rehome pedigree pigs there were pigs of all ages sexes colours etc. Thanks for your post but that is your opinion. All pigs whether babys bred for the show ring or onea that are rescue pigs ALL need a home
 
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Thanks, Flios. Rescuing is all about giving a second chance to the pigs, not about unloading unwanted stock to make way for more babies. Most of the genuine rescues have put up threads about problems and heart rending stories resulting from breeding. If you come on the forum, ask for advice and then don't take it, then don't complain if there is a bit of impatience when that advice is not followed. Boar dating only works if done in the pigs' interest not the human's. Using it as an excuse to unload an unwanted boar is asking for trouble. Check out the boar dating sticky for more on this topuc by the people who REALLY know what they're doing abd have the success rate to prove it.
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the lady doesnt just sell her unwanted stock. Yes she sells rexs that she cannot keep and keeps the best for the show ring BUT she also takes in all types of piggys regardless of age or sex or breed and rehomes them eveb doing home checks and giving out information booklets typed up by herself through her 15 years of GP experience. My local animal sancuary gave me her number so i think i can safely say she does rescue and rehome unwanted pigs. The abby baby i tried to boar date with my ditto was dumped along with 3 adult piggys and 2 babys in a travel cage on her front garden. She has sucessfully rehomed all piggys except the abby baby i had to return due to the bloodbath he created after attacking my ditto. Just because the lady enjoys the hobby of showing rexes does not make her a bad person for breeding pigs. It is like dogs there will always be puppies being bred and dogs in rescues thats just the way it is and no matter how much we moan and talk about how bad these breeders are it will never change. Fact. The lady was lovelt and really cared for her animals.
 
I understand your point but it's not about how healthy or happy they are, its the whole action, how can someone truely care about their pigs wellbeing if they're willing to put them through pregnancy? It's so risky and stressful for the pig. It's a very selfish action, she wants to breed the rexes, obviously for own pleasure, there's no need to produce more, so this is a selfish act.

Yes all pigs need a home but we can reduce the number if unintentional breeding stops (i know if it stopped altogether eventually there would be minimal piggies but there's so many needing homes right now it's completely unnessacery), it would also give rescues some breathing space to take in genuine emergencies or neglect cases as oposed to pigs that were intentionally bred.

I'm not trying to ram the ethos 'rescue is the only way' down your throat but I am urging you to see it in a different light. There are a lot of rescues on here who deal with the fallout of over breeding every year and spend their own money on rectifying the siutation. When you've been a member for a long time and seen many a thread such as 'these came from a breeder' or 'rescue to clear out old breeding farm' or 'help with birth defects' and see pics of dozens of neglected pigs or back to back pregnancies it starts to leave a nasty taste in your mouth. These are actions that can ever be justified in my eyes.
Its all about education, until you read, investigate, no one knows about these things, why would they? Until you know, you just don't know.

She might rehome and that's great but she does not rescue. Basically, as Flips said, to rescue is to not breed or show pigs and to give them a safe haven, regardless of how seperate someone may keep it, its not rescuing if you breed. Ever.
 
* completely understand the points you are trying to make but my point is yes maybe the rexes she breeds shouldnt be bred due to the high number of rescue pigs out there at this present time, so the babies she sells are not rescued. However the guineapigs she takes from neglectfull owners, over run animal sancuarys that mainly deal with dogs and cats, and also those pigs that are often dumped on her doorstep she takes them in houses and feeds them pays for vet treatments out of her own pocket and then rehomes them to appropriate knowledgeable homes not just someone who wants a pig on the spur of the moment kind of thing. So i think this lady although she does breed occasionaly should be given some credit for the pigs she takes in and then rehomes as in my eyes thats a rescue. I had the oppurtunity of having a rex baby off her for £10 but i also was offeres the abby baby for free, and so i had the abby baby, my point is the lady isnt in this for the profit as if she were she would have either charged me for the abby or told me the rex was a better match. The lady has sucesfully rehomed over 40 guineapigs this year alone (bear in mind she isnt a large sancuary just a normal lady with a large garden) and has only had one litter of rexes all of which she has kept for herself. So before judgement is passed i feel the lady deserves credit for what she does.
 
Lil-Ninnibig said:
* completely understand the points you are trying to make but my point is yes maybe the rexes she breeds shouldnt be bred due to the high number of rescue pigs out there at this present time, so the babies she sells are not rescued. However the guineapigs she takes from neglectfull owners, over run animal sancuarys that mainly deal with dogs and cats, and also those pigs that are often dumped on her doorstep she takes them in houses and feeds them pays for vet treatments out of her own pocket and then rehomes them to appropriate knowledgeable homes not just someone who wants a pig on the spur of the moment kind of thing. So i think this lady although she does breed occasionaly should be given some credit for the pigs she takes in and then rehomes as in my eyes thats a rescue. I had the oppurtunity of having a rex baby off her for £10 but i also was offeres the abby baby for free, and so i had the abby baby, my point is the lady isnt in this for the profit as if she were she would have either charged me for the abby or told me the rex was a better match. The lady has sucesfully rehomed over 40 guineapigs this year alone (bear in mind she isnt a large sancuary just a normal lady with a large garden) and has only had one litter of rexes all of which she has kept for herself. So before judgement is passed i feel the lady deserves credit for what she does.
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It kinda hard to give 'credit' to someone who see's with her own eyes the awful & devastating consequences of breeding yet still persists to carry out that action....Are you 100% sure the pigs she was showing you were genuine rescue cases and no just 'old stock'?

I dont think ive ever heard of a breeder that does it for profit - i mean exactly how much profit is a breeder making on a £10 sale? My sow was a mis-sexing case and she had 2 babies - they cost mE a lot more than £20 to feed for 6wks! This then begs the question of why they'd want to put their sows through un-necessary breeding for what will be a profit loss!

The only breeders i could see would do it for profit would be those that breed skinny pigs or similar - other generic breeds are not bred for money!!

The talk of breeding is not permitted on this forum - so for the sake of this topic, i dont think anyone is going to agree to your POV and agree this 'breeder' should receive some sort of medal/recognition for what she does!
 
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Sodapops said:
It kinda hard to give 'credit' to someone who see's with her own eyes the awful & devastating consequences of breeding yet still persists to carry out that action....Are you 100% sure the pigs she was showing you were genuine rescue cases and no just 'old stock'?

I dont think ive ever heard of a breeder that does it for profit - i mean exactly how much profit is a breeder making on a £10 sale? My sow was a mis-sexing case and she had 2 babies - they cost mE a lot more than £20 to feed for 6wks! This then begs the question of why they'd want to put their sows through un-necessary breeding for what will be a profit loss!

The only breeders i could see would do it for profit would be those that breed skinny pigs or similar - other generic breeds are not bred for money!!

The talk of breeding is not permitted on this forum - so for the sake of this topic, i dont think anyone is going to agree to your POV and agree this 'breeder' should receive some sort of medal/recognition for what she does!
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omg i feel like i am banging my head against a brick wall. The lady does not sell old stock the rescue pigs are all different breeds ages colours sexes yhe only pigs she breeds are rexes as previously said in other posts! So no the rescue pigs are not unsold stock. as i also mentioned in another post it was my local animal sancuary/rescue that gave me the ladys number as they only had rabbits in no pigs, the lady breeds one litter of rexes once or twice a year and not off the same sow. She does not simply breed for show but for pets also for herself mainly as they are her favoured breed. The majority of the pigs she rehomes are infact rescue pigs! So yes she deserves credit for taking in unwanted pigs and having pigs dumped on her and for paying to feed and house them and pay for vet bills out of her own pocket , for this part she does deserve credit. But i agree with you for the breeding of the rexes she doesnt. And i completely understand this is a rescue based forum and do not need reminding by yourself as i can infact read. I was not discussing breeding i was discussing a pig i got from a lady who rescued him after he was dumped alongside other pigs in her garden in a box and was not getting along with my other pig ditto.the thread has been taken over from the original point and attacked.its ridiculously immature.
 
Lil-Ninnibig said:
omg i feel like i am banging my head against a brick wall. The lady does not sell old stock the rescue pigs are all different breeds ages colours sexes yhe only pigs she breeds are rexes as previously said in other posts! So no the rescue pigs are not unsold stock. as i also mentioned in another post it was my local animal sancuary/rescue that gave me the ladys number as they only had rabbits in no pigs, the lady breeds one litter of rexes once or twice a year and not off the same sow. She does not simply breed for show but for pets also for herself mainly as they are her favoured breed. The majority of the pigs she rehomes are infact rescue pigs! So yes she deserves credit for taking in unwanted pigs and having pigs dumped on her and for paying to feed and house them and pay for vet bills out of her own pocket , for this part she does deserve credit. But i agree with you for the breeding of the rexes she doesnt. And i completely understand this is a rescue based forum and do not need reminding by yourself as i can infact read. I was not discussing breeding i was discussing a pig i got from a lady who rescued him after he was dumped alongside other pigs in her garden in a box and was not getting along with my other pig ditto.the thread has been taken over from the original point and attacked.its ridiculously immature.
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Two of my boys were from a breeder (when i didn't know any better) he was shutting down and getting rid of his stock - believe or not he had all manor of pigs - shelties/coronets/teddies/smooth hairs/peruvians/rexes - all were different ages - if he's have told me he 'rescued' on the side he could have easily been believed - but nope he was deffo a breeder - might i add his pigs were all in immaculate condition too - as were their homes - very impressive - but he was still a breeder none the less!!

Asking people to give this woman credit for what she does and then in the same sentance saying she only breeds once a year and also shows on the side is in my eye discussing intentional breeding - something a lot of people come here to get away from...

I dont think anyone had rail-roaded your topic at all and turned it in to something is isn't - just merely pointed out that that this woman you went to is not what most would class a rescue and as such are offended by you saying sh is and should be comended....

You started a thread and openly admitted the person you were dealing with was a breeder and shows pigs in her spare time - on a forum where rescue is the main focus, people will respond with their own views. On a public forum you cannot pick and choose which replies you like and dislike - everyone is allowed an opinion! It just so happens that people dont agree on this one - nothing wrong with that - read/reply/move on simples.....
 
I really think this thread should stop now as it's getting out of hand and in parts don't make nice reading Nicola x
 
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