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worried about chesney, advice please

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Pin prick test -Bette had this and it really is nothing other than a pin prick, I was thinking full bloodworks under GA which is what Milo had.

200 grams in how long a week?

If he continues to lose weight I would book him in sooner, and perhaps start syringe feeding him to keep his weight up if it continues to drop.

I know your going to worry but by the sound of things you have a good vet. As Katy Krafter says the gas GA is very gentle.

sorry, no, i meant just a pin prick blood test, just whilst he is asleep anyway.

the weight loss could have been in two months or less than that. i'm so angry with myself because i usually weight them regularly but then there's been so much going on lately and i didn't. :( so it could be a loss from two months or less.

i will give it a couple of days as he is eating but if the weight goes down in the next few days i will either ask to syringe feed him aswell or book him in sooner.

i'm trying to stay calm because there is no other vet i would trust to carry out any work on my pets so i can't ask for much more than that really can i.

i'll keep updating with his weight and definitely ring the vets in a few days if his weight goes down anymore than this.

thanks again for your help. :)
 
I know it's easier said than done but try not to panic - your pets certainly sound like they are in the best hands :). Do keep us updated. xx
 
I know it's easier said than done but try not to panic - your pets certainly sound like they are in the best hands :). Do keep us updated. xx

i'll try my best to stay calm. i've decided to give it a couple more days and if he is still losing weight i'm going to ring and speak to the vet about syringe feeding or bringing him in sooner. i've just been watching him eat hay and he is chewing much slower than maisie is so i'm pretty sure it's because of his teeth. he's always had perfect teeth when checked before so for the vet to say they're 1-2mm longer than they should be, that must be the reason for the weight loss. thanks again for the advice and support and i will keep you updated. x
 
I had a piggie who had her back teeth filed under GA, she was fine after, but if you have a rodentologist who does teeth they will do it without GA which is preferable. I do sympathise with you, it is a worry but lots have had their teeth done this way & are fine after. Can you get to a rodentologist or get to the tooth vet recommended by Furryfriends on here, Simon in Northampton?
 
I had a piggie who had her back teeth filed under GA, she was fine after, but if you have a rodentologist who does teeth they will do it without GA which is preferable. I do sympathise with you, it is a worry but lots have had their teeth done this way & are fine after. Can you get to a rodentologist or get to the tooth vet recommended by Furryfriends on here, Simon in Northampton?

we don't drive. we get a taxi to and from our vets now. luckily we have a nice taxi driver who does it less than it should cost which is a good job really. so no way of getting anywhere further really. :(

i know ches will be in good hands but any ga's make me worried. the vet knew i was worried though and said it's a light one and not to worry. but it's hard.

do you know how i make the pellets soft like a mash? i thought maybe do that for ches? i think i read you add pellets and boiled water until it's a mash consistency and then let it cool but feed when still warm. is that right? and that won't upset his tummy or anything? i noticed he keeps going to the pellet bowl but not eating any of them or small pieces.
 
well ches seems to be eating more if anything. :{ his weight today has gone up to 1170g. they've been outside on the grass today aswell and he was popcorning so much and they loved it. x) i've got some pics and vid clips which i'll post in another thread. :)
 
Aw bless him, popcorning! :))

Yes just put an eggcupful of pellets in a small bowl, then put boiled water on, just enough to make it soft, not slushy, leave to cool until it is lukewarm, then either offer it to him on a spoon or put some in his bowl. If he eats it all do the same again. I wouldn't like to start syringe feeding him it unless his weight drops & he won't eat anything. Is he eating hay still? If you syringe feed them too much they can start to not eat properly themselves as piggies are generally lazy lol
 
Aw bless him, popcorning! :))

Yes just put an eggcupful of pellets in a small bowl, then put boiled water on, just enough to make it soft, not slushy, leave to cool until it is lukewarm, then either offer it to him on a spoon or put some in his bowl. If he eats it all do the same again. I wouldn't like to start syringe feeding him it unless his weight drops & he won't eat anything. Is he eating hay still? If you syringe feed them too much they can start to not eat properly themselves as piggies are generally lazy lol

he had some pellet mash last night and this morning. he likes it warm. he didn't eat much but he did like a bit of it. :)

yes, he's eating hay, grass, leafy greens and dried herbs still so that's good.

he does seem to be struggling with pellets though so i offer him his usual amount as mash. maisie stole some aswell! rolleyes:))

piggies lazy! surely not! :)) ok, maybe a bit! :)):))
 
chesneys weight has gone upto 1182g today which is good. :)

he refused the pellet mash last night and this morning though and instead chose to eat normal pellets :{ also, all the pellets were gone this morning. :{

and he's eating hay, grass and veg with no trouble at all. he can easily hold a piece of cabbage in his mouth and not drop it. infact i haven't seen him drop any food or water :{

they've been outside in the run again today and loved that. x) he seems so happy and he grazed on grass no problems.

he's confusing me! maybe this is why the vet said give it a week to be sure instead of rushing into a dental.

it's good he's keeping his weight stable though, he must be eating to do that. :)
 
chesneys weight is 1182g again today so he's keeping his weight stable. he has eaten a few pellets but he is dropping alot he picks up. other than that he's completely fine.

we are really stuck about what to do. do we put him through a dental when it's just pellets he can't eat many of? even though they don't get many anyway and the vet wants me to take them off pellets altogether? or do you think the teeth will just keep getting worse and need doing in the end anyway?

we really don't know what to do :{
 
Everything normally loses weight around this time of year. Guinea pigs do often have quiet days but maybe keep an eye on his weight and if it continues to fall then a visit to the vets might help.
 
ches is 1169g today.

i'm just so confused and don't know what to do for the best. :( i don't want to put him through a dental if it's not necessary but then i don't want to leave him if it is his teeth and they might just get worse. :( that's if it is his teeth.

if anyone has any ideas about what to do please let me know.

i thought maybe keep weighing ches daily and if his weight drops below the lowest he got to, which was 1158g, then go back to the vets and get his teeth looked at again and then go for the dental?
 
i forgot to mentions - when the vet checked their teeth over a year ago he said that maisie's teeth were slightly too long. very very slightly and they shouldn't cause her any trouble.. which they haven't. so him saying the same for ches has made me question if we would be putting ches through a dental when he would be ok without one, like maisie... but then maisie never lost any weight and her teeth have always been very slightly too long, whereas the vet has always said that ches has perfect teeth. :{
 
When Patrick needed his teeth done. His weights where as follows;

Week 1 936g -20g
Week 2 908g -8g
Week 3 890g -18g
Week 4 889g -1g
Week 5 840g -49g

I then had his teeth done. His present weight is 873g, he didn't look like he was having difficulty eating but he was losing weight which is why I opted to do his teeth.

Fred - could hardly eat so there was no decision to be made. He had to have them done.

If a pig has tooth spur's and is losing weight in my opinion you are best to fix the teeth, if they continue to lose weight then you know it's not the teeth and you need to investigate more.
 
When Patrick needed his teeth done. His weights where as follows;

Week 1 936g -20g
Week 2 908g -8g
Week 3 890g -18g
Week 4 889g -1g
Week 5 840g -49g

I then had his teeth done. His present weight is 873g, he didn't look like he was having difficulty eating but he was losing weight which is why I opted to do his teeth.

Fred - could hardly eat so there was no decision to be made. He had to have them done.

If a pig has tooth spur's and is losing weight in my opinion you are best to fix the teeth, if they continue to lose weight then you know it's not the teeth and you need to investigate more.

thank you. :) it's hard when it's not obviously a certain thing isn't it. :{

i think because ches has always had perfect teeth, and now he's lost weight and his back teeth are 1-2mm too long, it makes sense that it is his teeth causing problems doesn't it..

and he is dropping pellets aswell. i think he's eating mainly on one side aswell but o/h thinks i might be being paranoid again.

the vet doesn't see the dental as a big deal really. he said it's so common in piggies and he see's alot of pigs and does alot of dentals so try not to worry.

so would you put ches through the dental to make his teeth perfect as they were just incase it is his teeth then? :)
 
I think if you are very worried about the GA for him, I would seek a second opinion, or try to get him to see a rodentologist or Simon in Northampton, as both would probably be able to file his teeth with using anaesthetic. I was really worried when my piggy had hers done, it was horrible waiting to see if she was okay & it cost me about £65 for the op, that was at least 10 years ago. A qualified rodentologist will charge you a minimal amount, & will use buccal pad separators which they put in the mouth & will do the teeth whilst the piggy is conscious. You don't drive, but if you put the cost of trains etc, against the safer way of getting it sorted it probably would work out the same or cheaper to get to Simon or Vedra at the CCT or another rodentologist nearer to you, and you would obviously be happier knowing no GA was being used.

You need to have a think about it :) is there anyone in your family willing to drive you, or could you possibly get a train?

It's a difficult choice, I've been there so know how you feel. Hope this helps :)
 
I think if you are very worried about the GA for him, I would seek a second opinion, or try to get him to see a rodentologist or Simon in Northampton, as both would probably be able to file his teeth with using anaesthetic. I was really worried when my piggy had hers done, it was horrible waiting to see if she was okay & it cost me about £65 for the op, that was at least 10 years ago. A qualified rodentologist will charge you a minimal amount, & will use buccal pad separators which they put in the mouth & will do the teeth whilst the piggy is conscious. You don't drive, but if you put the cost of trains etc, against the safer way of getting it sorted it probably would work out the same or cheaper to get to Simon or Vedra at the CCT or another rodentologist nearer to you, and you would obviously be happier knowing no GA was being used.

You need to have a think about it :) is there anyone in your family willing to drive you, or could you possibly get a train?

It's a difficult choice, I've been there so know how you feel. Hope this helps :)

sorry i keep going on and on. i suffer with anxiety about leaving them. that's my worry really, leaving them there and also the worry that i will make the wrong decision and it will lead to something bad.

i know i sound stupid :red

o/h says just try and keep calm, keep observing ches and weighing him and then we can talk to the vet again and decide from there. if he does have the dental it will be thursday.

:)
 
I'm not surprised you're worried they are like babies to those of us that truly love them :)

All I can say is if you can avoid a GA then do, if you can't then find a vet who is knowledgeable with piggies & has done the procedure successfully many times before, if he has only done a few, then seriously look at your other options. My piggie was perfectly okay after even though I nearly had a nervous breakdown worrying lol!

If you aren't familiar with syringe feeding after this is a good reference :
http://www.guineapighelpline.com/SyringeFeedingFactsheet.pdf

Ask your vet if you will need too syringe & if you do get some Critical Care from him so you can start feeding straight away if necessary. Also there could be a chance of sores in the mouth from the overgrown teeth or ulcers they may have caused so you may need some pain relief for your piggy as well. If a piggy is in pain it won't eat properly.
Good luck, will be crossing my fingers for you :)
 
I'm not surprised you're worried they are like babies to those of us that truly love them :)

All I can say is if you can avoid a GA then do, if you can't then find a vet who is knowledgeable with piggies & has done the procedure successfully many times before, if he has only done a few, then seriously look at your other options. My piggie was perfectly okay after even though I nearly had a nervous breakdown worrying lol!

If you aren't familiar with syringe feeding after this is a good reference :
http://www.guineapighelpline.com/SyringeFeedingFactsheet.pdf

Ask your vet if you will need too syringe & if you do get some Critical Care from him so you can start feeding straight away if necessary. Also there could be a chance of sores in the mouth from the overgrown teeth or ulcers they may have caused so you may need some pain relief for your piggy as well. If a piggy is in pain it won't eat properly.
Good luck, will be crossing my fingers for you :)

thanks so much. i know you all understand because they mean so much to us. :)

the vet is the best vet around here. he gets cases in from ages away as he is the main exotics specialist other vets will use if they're not sure of something. so i know they are the best.

thanks for the link of syringe feeding.

right, i'll see how ches goes the next few days then i'm speaking to the vet with an update anyway then we can decide what to do. but it will probably be thursday ches has it done. :)

thanks for your help :)
 
No problem, he sounds like a good vet, if you are worried give them a ring & ask to go in for a quick chat before Thursday to put your mind at rest, then you won't feel quite so pressured & can then make your decision when you get home.
:)
 
I was just wondering, reading back, you mentioned he had wet legs? Has this stopped now? Also does he dribble from his mouth a lot, ie is his chin wet even when he hasn't been drinking?

Also if he does have a dental, I would (if funds allow) get the vet to give him an x-ray to rule out anything internal, like bladder stones, whilst he is under GA then you won't need to put him through that again if it's not a dental problem. :)
 
No problem, he sounds like a good vet, if you are worried give them a ring & ask to go in for a quick chat before Thursday to put your mind at rest, then you won't feel quite so pressured & can then make your decision when you get home.
:)


I was just wondering, reading back, you mentioned he had wet legs? Has this stopped now? Also does he dribble from his mouth a lot, ie is his chin wet even when he hasn't been drinking?

Also if he does have a dental, I would (if funds allow) get the vet to give him an x-ray to rule out anything internal, like bladder stones, whilst he is under GA then you won't need to put him through that again if it's not a dental problem. :)

i will ring for a chat with the vet and then what we normally do is get an appointment on the morning we take them in and he gives them a check over and we discuss everything. i think he knows i worry. :red

it's 40mins to the vets and the same back so we don't want to have to travel too much so we save it all up and get a long appointment on the day. he knows we travel so makes things easier for us, like seeing us and then keeping them in if they need to, to save us having to get taxi's there and back all the time. this was for the bunnies as they've had dentals done before.

ches doesn't have wet legs now. that must have just been a coincedence. he also isn't dribbling either although i saw him dribble once, then he adjusted his head and was fine.

he is dropping his pellets though. he manages to eat a few but takes a while to chew them compared to maisie. and he really would eat them all normally as he's a greedy pig! so i think he must be finding it hard to chew them.

he is eating hay and veg, but i'm sure he's chewing more to one side. o/h always says i look for things but i'm sure he is. :{

the vet mentioned we could do other tests at the same time. he mentioned a blood test (pinprick from behind the ear) but i agree that xrays at the same time would be useful because if he has a dental and keeps losing weight anyway then like you say, he will end up having xrays anyway. when they buns ever have a dental i like to have xrays taken just because they're asleep anyway. funds will allow whatever they need, even if we end up with no food! :)) so i think xrays are a good idea. :)

i'm already getting things ready in my head. i'm taking maisie aswell as they don't like to be apart and they can look after each other. i'm taking their own towel and blanket so it smells of home, their own water bottle and hay and packed lunch aswell for them - some pellets, dried herbs and a selection of veg. oh, and my list aswell! i always take lists for the pets. i think they think i'm mental but oh well. :)) can you think of anything else?

i always hate leaving them and then i dread the phone call later on. it's the worst feeling and then such relief when the vet says everythings ok.

they will probably give me some meds for after anyway, but i've already got metacam here, and recovery food and syringes just incase. and i always get them to write down what meds they've had, when they need the next lot, if any, how much to syringe feed and how often if needed, and what they've eaten since waking up, if they've drank and been to the toilet. is there anything else they might give me to bring home just incase? or anything i should ask for?

i hope maisie will be ok. i worry about her aswell. but ches won't be away from her for long i would think. then they can relax together until i collect them.

i like the fact the vets let them settle in first. they make the cage up and give them time to relax and have some food etc. so that's good.

i think that's everything :))
 
I found our boy dropped his pellets and food, it was his molars....... he used to have his filed in the end his were done every 2 weeks to help him.

Wishing little Ches loads of healing wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeks and gentle loves from us all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

HEALING WHEEEEEEEKS FOR YOU CHES XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
 
I found our boy dropped his pellets and food, it was his molars....... he used to have his filed in the end his were done every 2 weeks to help him.

Wishing little Ches loads of healing wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeks and gentle loves from us all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

HEALING WHEEEEEEEKS FOR YOU CHES XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

every two weeks? bless him, that's alot isn't it.

thank you for the healing wheeks. :)
 
right, today i started weighing him twice again (i know, i know, drive meyself mad! :))) this morning he was 1178g and tonight 1173g.

maisie has been weighed today and she's gone up 86g! :o the heaviest she has ever been 1293g! :o at the vets a week ago she was 1207g and that was heavy for her!

so it seems she has been eating chesneys share of food aswell doesn't it? that makes the most sense. i know i have been giving them a few extra pellets but not enough for her to gain that much. so if it's chesneys teeth, that would make sense that he's lost weight and she's suddenly the heaviest she's ever been!

also, i mentioned he had wet legs a week ago. that went away but now it's back on his legs today. and combined with a week ago when he was pushing his bum back, i would say there might be something else going on aswell.

so our options are to go to the vets thursday morning, have a check up and talk with the vet and we can either go for just xrays and the pin prick blood test to check if there is anything going on urinary wise.. and wait for the results for the bloods..

or, we can go for the dental thursday and have the xray and bloods done at the same time.

to me, it seems obvious that he's lost weight and maisies gained, usually their weights would be the other way round, so to me that looks like chesneys teeth being the problem. so then we should do the dental. my worry is that if it isn't his teeth and somthing like, bladder stones, that he will then be going through a dental and then not long after he will have to go through an op i presume for bladder stones possibly. although i know it may not be bladder stones.

is there any way needing dentals relates to urinary problems? i know my bunny bisc had cystitis and spurs at the same time, aswell as a dodgy tummy.

any advice appreciated. :)
 
Hmmm tricky one. Funnily enough, and it is probably coincidence, my dental piggie only had her teeth done the once, under GA, but she did have a small stone as well which she passed rolleyes she did eventually die of kidney failure so probably had another stone somewhere 8...

I think it may be a good idea to pop Chesney in an empty plastic box on Thursday & let him have a pee, then take him out, & tip the pee into a clean container & take the sample with you.

Are you saying the vet is not sure it's teeth then? He hasn't examined his mouth yet? I thought he had, that's why he's doing the dental?

It sounds like he may need to do the x-ray to eliminate the possibility of stones, I doubt whether he would operate there & then unless you discuss all this beforehand & give him permission to go ahead if he finds one.
 
Hmmm tricky one. Funnily enough, and it is probably coincidence, my dental piggie only had her teeth done the once, under GA, but she did have a small stone as well which she passed rolleyes she did eventually die of kidney failure so probably had another stone somewhere 8...

I think it may be a good idea to pop Chesney in an empty plastic box on Thursday & let him have a pee, then take him out, & tip the pee into a clean container & take the sample with you.

Are you saying the vet is not sure it's teeth then? He hasn't examined his mouth yet? I thought he had, that's why he's doing the dental?

It sounds like he may need to do the x-ray to eliminate the possibility of stones, I doubt whether he would operate there & then unless you discuss all this beforehand & give him permission to go ahead if he finds one.

i'm sorry about your dental piggy, that's so sad. :(

the vet couldn't see anything wrong with ches when he examined him. he kept in mind that our fridge had broken and ches had soft poops so spoiled food could have been a factor. then he said he did seem dirty on his back legs and i mentioned he had wet legs and was pushing backwards, then the last thing was the teeth. the vet wanted to wait a week to rule out the fridge option, although he didn't think it was that anyway, but he said the teeth were 1-2mm too long, the back teeth, but he wouldn't expect that to cause this much of a weight loss. combined with the fact i didn't weigh them regularly before hand he wanted to wait a week and see whether ches was keeping his weight stable and anything else that we noticed over the week, before deciding what to do. he said it could be his teeth or something going on inside. i got the feeling he thought ches would stay stable this week and it might not be because of his teeth, although i know even slight overgrown teeth can affect them.

this is why i'm so confused. :{ i just don't know what to do for the best. my feeling is that the vet would want to do xrays and bloods first before opting for a dental, as ches is maintaining and still eating.

what do you think about maisie gaining that much but ches staying fairly stable? does that indicate teeth perhaps? :{

xrays are done consciously aren't they? and the pin prick test behind the ear? and i will take a sample of urine aswell.

if i ring and make an appointment for thursday morning, then we can talk through everything and he would probably do a dental, or just tests, or an op if needed on that day for us. either way, it won't be a wasted journey and we can always go back again if needed. i was just trying to minimise the journey times for them really.

say if it is a bladder stone, is it a big op to remove them? what is the recovery time etc. do they have to stay at the vets for a certain amount of time?

i'm really confused. :{

eta: the other issue is that our vet is only in monday and thursday and off the whole week after. the other exotics vet is there and she's good aswell, i just feel more comfortable with our vet as we're used to him.

eta: sorry, i didn't make clear. yes, he examined his teeth. he always says they're perfect and this time he said they're 1-2mm too long.
 
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Conscious x-rays depend on the vet to be honest, a good cavy vet can do them conscious. Not sure about the blood test from the ear though, hopefully someone experienced in having a piggie having had it done will see this soon & comment?

As for stone ops, I don't have any experience of these, from reading this forum there seems to be successful outcomes & not successful ones so it's hard to tell :(

Are you saying that this vet is away from Friday? If that's the case make sure there is someone experienced there if you have an emergency afterwards. I think I would be loathe to have any op if he wasn't going to be there in the few days after, but that's just me being a worry wort :)

If Chesney isn't as quick to eat the other piggie will be sneaking in to nick his nosh, maybe have that one out for a bit to give Chesney a bit of a head start at meal times?
 
Hiya -

Perhaps your scales aren't the same as the vets so perhaps Maisie hasn't gained that much.

X-rays and the pin prick test can both be done conscious - the vet could do them first before doing the Dental. When I opted to have Milo's blood work done I asked that he could also be Xrayed under GA for heart problems my vet said he would rather Xray conscious to check heart and also for stones. He would then do the blood under GA as if anything came up on the Xrays then the plan could possibly change.

I would Xray before considering Full Bloods works it's an invasive procedure. The pin prick test behind the ear is very different to full Bloods. It's normally done to check for Diabetes.
 
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