A rant - 4 poorly pigs and my draining bank account and mental health

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I started off with 4 guinea pigs. I lost Pumpkin (4.8 years) in December after he became suddenly paralysed in October. He was found to have a spinal lesion which blood tests revealed may have a parasitic cause. We tried everything to treat him, even acupuncture, but in the end his teeth started breaking and he got pneumonia and it was kinder to let him go. The x ray found small amounts of bladder sludge, so this is when I switched my piggies to filtered water, they already had 1tbsp of nuggets per day so minimal amounts. He lived with Nutmeg, so we adopted a baby pig (he was born from a rescue pig who arrived pregnant) in January to bond with him and they are getting along well so far.

In January, Cashew was diagnosed with 5 small stones in his ureter, we opted not to take the huge risk of a complicated op due to his age (5.5 years) and he’s still here and doing well on a twice daily dose of loxicom and cystease. I switched all of the pigs to the low calcium veg diet recommended on the forum, and further reduced their nuggets to just 10 per day (around a teaspoon).

Then in late February, the blood in urine started with Nutmeg (4.5 years). He had a conscious x ray and nothing was found, but the next day he couldn’t urinate and something was clearly very wrong. We took him in, and he was found to have a nearly 1cm stone in his urethra. He survived a 4 hour operation against the odds and he’s home now and seemed better than ever. That was a week ago. Him and Butternut (his new baby friend) are now unsettled in their bond due to separation, no biting yet but they seem to argue a lot.

Over the weekend, Cinnamon (4.8 years) suddenly stopped eating and had very soft poos. Fibreplex and no veg didn’t help. He’s awaiting the results of a urine test, but he really doesn’t seem good, some of his poos have had blood on them. He will be having an x ray as soon as I hear back about the urine result.

Then today, I did a dip stick on Nutmeg’s wee and it’s testing positive for traces of blood. I just know he has another stone forming.

I don’t know how this has all happened, they lived for over 4 years with almost no vet visits, then all of a sudden I tried to improve their diet and it feels like I’m losing them all. I feel so guilty and sick, it’s affecting my job, and I feel embarrassed taking them to the vets on a weekly basis, I just know they must think I’m treating them badly. I’ve spent over £5,000 on vet bills in the past few months, I spend so much on haybox (they get 3 types now - soft Timothy, Timothy mix and meadow as well as oat hay to forage) nice bedding for them, hay tunnels to chew, they have an enormous c&c cage etc, and it’s just not enough. I spend countless hours researching and I feel like I’ve failed the things I love most in the world somehow, and It’s affecting my job and my relationship. We’re both exhausted, 3 lots of meds twice per day, support feeding, my poor boyfriend sleeps in the living room with them now and gets up at 4am every day to check on them so I can get up for work (I don’t function well on little sleep!).

That’s my rant. I just needed to express this somewhere. I’ve read every guide going so just need some support from people who have been through similar! Thank you :(
 
Sending you hugs :hug: ... and , it’s OK to rant .

I have had several times when I have had poorly piggies and each time I wouldn’t have coped without the support from this forum ... and the support of my friend Eileen.
 
Wow you’re going through a lot, don’t blame you for needing a rant! Must be such a strain although it sounds like you’re doing the absolute best for your piggies, you couldn’t do anymore go easy on yourself
 
I feel your pain and it sounds like you are doing an amazing job for your piggies.
They are very lucky to have such a caring and committed owner.

I went through something similar a few years back when it seemed we went through a whole spate of different illnesses, and I was at the vet almost weekly.
It is hard and exhausting when you have to juggle real life and nursing sick piggies, ad it isn't helped by the fact that most people just don't really understand.

Hang in there.
Things will get better and I hope Cinnamon's problem is easily sorted and Nutmeg's blood is just through irritation rather than another stone.
 
I am so sorry you are having such a hard time with your piggies at the moment.
I have been having a similar experience with piggies with bladder problems for the last 4 years. I've lost 2 to stones, another 1 has had a stone op and still suffers with sludge, 2 more now have urine infections for the 2nd time! The vets have had most of my retirement savings.
You are not alone in feeling you have failed them, although I am sure none of this is down to anything you have or haven't done. It's exhausting nursing sick guinea pigs, it takes over your life.
Sending you my very best wishes and I hope things improve for you very soon.
 
I'm sorry to read of your troubles and can certainly sympathise with your money woes. Every time I think I might just be catching up one of my pets has a problem and there's another vet bill to pay.
Sending my best wishes to your poorly tribe of piggies x
 
So sorry to hear what a tough time you're having. With pets it really does seem to go like that, with everything coming at once and it getting overwhelming at times. Between our elderly, frail dog (with multiple on-going health issues) and 4 piggies there are patches when it seems that I spend more time at the vets than some of the staff. In fact before lockdown, when clients were still allowed into the waiting room, the staff used to joke about me having a seat in there with my name on it!
 
Thank you all so much for your kind comments. It’s really good to feel like I’m not alone in this! Guinea pigs really are wonderful pets to have but they are such incredibly fragile little things. I’m really hoping for a bit of luck soon so I can enjoy them again rather than worrying about them all the time :)
 
You are doing the best you can, and you are doing AMAZING. You and your partner both. It's so hard with piggies because they can't tell us what hurts, the constant fear and "what ifs" are terrible. We all empathise with you and everybody will be here for you.

Your pigs are so loved, I'm so glad they have you:luv:
 
Rest assured, your vets know you aren't treating them badly! Bad owners don't take their piggies to the vet in the first place, and if they do, don't pursue treatment!

I'm having the same issue, I'm at the vet pretty much every week.. 2 days in a row just last week! Some of us just seem to be hit with bad luck, sadly. I also feel embarrassed a lot of the time, although I try to joke about it and brush it off, but the staff are all lovely people, my vet discussed it with some of the others and a mixture of bad luck, being set up to fail from taking rescues on where the damage is already done, actually taking them to the vet when something is wrong etc seems to be the conclusion. I've said countless times I wish it was something I was doing wrong, because if I could change something and stop them getting ill or developing problems, I'd do it in a heartbeat, as I'm sure you would too.
 
Rest assured, your vets know you aren't treating them badly! Bad owners don't take their piggies to the vet in the first place, and if they do, don't pursue treatment!

I'm having the same issue, I'm at the vet pretty much every week.. 2 days in a row just last week! Some of us just seem to be hit with bad luck, sadly. I also feel embarrassed a lot of the time, although I try to joke about it and brush it off, but the staff are all lovely people, my vet discussed it with some of the others and a mixture of bad luck, being set up to fail from taking rescues on where the damage is already done, actually taking them to the vet when something is wrong etc seems to be the conclusion. I've said countless times I wish it was something I was doing wrong, because if I could change something and stop them getting ill or developing problems, I'd do it in a heartbeat, as I'm sure you would too.

I think it’s something my vet said the other day that’s stuck in my head - ‘I don’t believe in coincidences’. Your vets sound lovely, I find ours are very good at what they do but I always get the impression I’m annoying them when I ask more questions or request more tests! But it does make me feel better to know I’m not the only one with a 2 days in a row vet streak at the moment :) I think 3 in a row is my record!

I was thinking along the same lines the other day actually, there must be a number of owners who don’t notice or don’t care enough to take their piggies to the vets with some of these symptoms, so problems likely get missed and deaths put down to ‘old age‘ and similar.
 
Sorry that you are having such a difficult time at the moment.
Rant all you need to, this is a safe and understanding place.
Holding you in my heart
 
Sorry that you are having such a difficult time at the moment.
Rant all you need to, this is a safe and understanding place.
Holding you in my heart

Thank you so much. It’s good to let it all out to people who love piggies as much as we do - I try to explain to my mum and she tells me I’m spending too much money on vet care, she totally doesn’t get it :D
 
I feel your pain. My guineas had the knack of getting ill all at once too.

And I highly doubt your vets think your a bad owner. I'm sure they have at least one or two people who bring there pets in with conditions that they have had for months or years that the owner has either not noticed or couldn't be bothered to bring them to the vets timely. At worst they'll be glad for you as they are getting so much money out of you. But in your darkest moments take comfort in the knowledge that you've been a really fantastic guinea pig slave! They don't want for anything and you're spending a small fortune on their wellbeing and if the worst comes to worst remember it wasn't too long ago that a guinea pig's life expectancy was 3-5yrs. So having a herd all over 4 is pretty good going in my book! If you're spending £1000s on a guinea pig you certainly can't be called a bad guinea pig owner. When I spent £500 on a mastectomy for one of my pigs a few years ago my boss said to me "wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a new one?" He was joking but it just goes to show that most people still just see guineas as interactive stuff joys for children that you can just easily replace when they are faulty. If anything you can proudly display that vet bill as a badge of honor. Surely you've won some kind of "Best Slave" prize with that alone.

Sending you healing vibes and lots of hugs. <3
 
I feel your pain. My guineas had the knack of getting ill all at once too.

And I highly doubt your vets think your a bad owner. I'm sure they have at least one or two people who bring there pets in with conditions that they have had for months or years that the owner has either not noticed or couldn't be bothered to bring them to the vets timely. At worst they'll be glad for you as they are getting so much money out of you. But in your darkest moments take comfort in the knowledge that you've been a really fantastic guinea pig slave! They don't want for anything and you're spending a small fortune on their wellbeing and if the worst comes to worst remember it wasn't too long ago that a guinea pig's life expectancy was 3-5yrs. So having a herd all over 4 is pretty good going in my book! If you're spending £1000s on a guinea pig you certainly can't be called a bad guinea pig owner. When I spent £500 on a mastectomy for one of my pigs a few years ago my boss said to me "wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a new one?" He was joking but it just goes to show that most people still just see guineas as interactive stuff joys for children that you can just easily replace when they are faulty. If anything you can proudly display that vet bill as a badge of honor. Surely you've won some kind of "Best Slave" prize with that alone.

Sending you healing vibes and lots of hugs. <3

Thank you for your really kind comment, I must admit reading this brought a small tear to my eye <3

On a positive note, Cinnamon has suddenly decided to start eating and drinking again and his poos seem to be looking much more normal! Fingers crossed it really was just an upset tummy and nothing super serious! Still waiting for their urine results from the vets :(
 
I had a text last night at around 11pm (it woke me up) from "Royal Mail" saying that I owed £2.99 on underpayment for an item that had been posted to me and to click on the link in the message which of course I didn't do. I looked it up on my laptop this morning and it's a dodgy site that installs bugs and spyware onto your device. Royal Mail always leave a card to say that you have underpaid they never send a text. If you get a text like this please just delete it. I really annoys me things like this. It looked so genuine too. I knew it was fake and I never click on links on anything.
i think you meant to post this here

A place to rant about things that wind you up ( keep it clean lol)
 
I'm sorry to hear this. 💔 I know I really struggled when the majority of my 7 came down with a URI recently. What made it hard was that they hated being picked up to take their medicine and I hated seeing them scared. I don't think you've done anything wrong atall the fact that they've made it to 4 years old without many visits is good in itself! Take care of yourself and keep us updated on here. We're always here to listen 👂 ☺️ ❤️
 
I've had a few I'll piggies recently,one passed away within 2 hours of me seeing her run around cage.one had been fine the day before,noticed he was not eating had to PTS due to kidney stones.you are a considerate owner.it's all out of your control whom becomes sick,you can only give the best care while they are with you.I'm so sorry for your run of badluck,but you are doing your utmost .x
 
Ah that sucks. It doesn't help that most of your pigs are roughly the same age (mine are too and this is something I dread).

I don't think the vet thinks you're treating them badly at all. They can tell if it's been left a long time before seeking advice/treatment and how you as an owner react to it.

When they said 'i don't believe in coincidences', I'd have asked what they meant.

Ask as many questions as you need. How else are you going to know? Honestly ask, they won't bite. If you don't understand, say. :)

Glad to hear cinnamon is doing better!

On a note of stones. This is from the Guinea Lynx website.

PREVENTION
The cause of bladder stone formation is poorly understood. Because stones seem to run in families, it is likely there is a strong genetic component. Frequent urinary tract infections have also been implicated, as well as improper diet, inadequate water intake, and obesity.

While low calcium diet may help reduce the amount of stones, it's highly unlikely that know matter what you do will stop it completely, no matter if you started low calcium and filtered water 2 yrs ago or 2 weeks ago, if it's genetic, it'll happen anyway. So please don't worry and blame yourself.

Take a deep breath, eat some ice-cream and enjoy your piggies. You're doing amazing.
 
Thank you to everyone who has commented with support! Sadly last week we found out I was right and Nutmeg has already formed another stone just 2 weeks after his surgery. He’s comfortable at the minute and we’re deciding if it’s fair or worthwhile to put him through a second surgery or not. I’m leaning more towards giving it a go as he bounced back so quickly from the first, we have an online appointment with a guinea pig specialist vet tomorrow to see if she can give us any further tips or opinions to help us come to a decision!
 
Holding you in my heart.
Whatever decision you make will be the right one for Nutmeg because you will make it out of love.
Hope all goes well tomorrow
 
Quick update for anyone who’s interested: we’re officially (guinea pig) mad, Nutmeg is booked in for his second cystotomy, 3 weeks after his first, on Thursday. He’s been squealing when urinating (but is very happy and normal otherwise) so I suspect the stone is on the move, and it needs to be removed ASAP. That’s now £2,600 on vet bills just for Nutmeg in the past 30 days, meaning he now has the highest net worth of all of our pigs :D He came through the first op so well, I’m hopeful he will bounce back from this one too, and we will be pulling out all of the stops to try and prevent the stone from returning (including telling the vets NOT to give him piles of kale when he stays in the hospital...) will update on Thursday to let everyone know if he makes it. I’m sure the next 36 hours are going to feel like a lifetime for us!
 
Sending you hugs, and hope Nutmeg’s operation goes well. Having had two dental piggies with regular dentals and 600 mile rounds trips to the vet I fully understand how draining emotionally and monetarily poorly piggies are. You are an amazing owner and obviously care very deeply for them. I have had all the usual “comments” in the past too I think we all have 🙄 just take them with a pinch of salt and don’t let them get you down.

🤞 for Thursday x
 
The thing that annoys me is if you said that you had spent £2,600 in vets bills for a dog most people would probably say "Wow that's a lot!" and leave it at that and understand but as it's a guinea pig you've spent that much on people don't understand because unfortunately they are seen as "children's pets" or "throwaway pets". Just cos they are small doesn't mean they don't have big personalities and they are so lovely.
 
The thing that annoys me is if you said that you had spent £2,600 in vets bills for a dog most people would probably say "Wow that's a lot!" and leave it at that and understand but as it's a guinea pig you've spent that much on people don't understand because unfortunately they are seen as "children's pets" or "throwaway pets". Just cos they are small doesn't mean they don't have big personalities and they are so lovely.
I totally agree, one life is as important an another 👍
 
The thing that annoys me is if you said that you had spent £2,600 in vets bills for a dog most people would probably say "Wow that's a lot!" and leave it at that and understand but as it's a guinea pig you've spent that much on people don't understand because unfortunately they are seen as "children's pets" or "throwaway pets". Just cos they are small doesn't mean they don't have big personalities and they are so lovely.

Oh 100% agreed - I even came across a vet’s website a while back saying ‘we also treat all of the children’s pets’. Not a great way to draw customers in!
 
Will be holding you in my thoughts on Thursday.
Hope all goes well for Nutmeg.
He’s a very lucky piggy to have such a dedicated owner.
 
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