Baby Turned Bully?

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Hi everyone! I'm a bit new so sorry if I make any mistakes.

I recently bought a baby sow from my local pet store and she is adorable. The problem first started with my two other girls, Zoe and Mae. I introduced the baby, Halcey, to Zoe and Mae in a new area, on a freshly washed fleece, with some hay in the center. Zoe got along fine with Halcey, would raise her chin when she got too close, but didn't really care about her (she was more interested in the hay pile :p). Mae was a different story, however. I think it's important so I'll mention it now, Zoe did bully Mae a lot when she was younger, I mean a lot. It did eventually wear off with time. Mae was always very shy so this is why her behavior was so shocking to me. Mae chased the little one around biting and nipping, and would not let up. Every five minutes or so she would go off by herself for a bit, and so would the baby. After another 5 minutes Mae would find the baby, sneak up on her as so not to alert her (which I must admit was a bit funny to watch, as I have learned that guinea pigs are not the best at being sneaky), and then lunge at her and bite her. Then the chasing would happen again.

After about 2 and a half hours of this, I separated them, which was my mistake. I had Halcey in a small pet store cage, and Mae and Zoe in their regular 2x4 C&C. The cages were pressed up against each other so they could poke noses and smell the other and such. After about a week of them being separate, I decided to put them all together in the (cleaned) C&C cage (Mistake #2?), which had been elongated to a 2x6. So I put them all in there and they all explored at first, see what's new, which is always cute. It is a bit vague in my head right now, it happened about two weeks ago but I'm just posting this now because I thought it was just dominance issues being sorted out. I don't remember exactly when it started, but the baby seems to have learned this "bully" behavior and is now bullying my other two! I'm sure Mae regrets bothering her now. She goes for both of them, she'll chase them around the cage nipping them and sometimes even leap and attack them. Mae's shy behavior has come back double over, and I think they're all very unhappy. Because a fight broke out between Mae and Halcey I've made kind of a makeshift cage inside the cage, using the bars of the pet store cage and placing them inside. I have Halcey stay in there at night, and then during the day I take it out so I can watch them interact. When she is in the cage Zoe and Mae will often go up to her, and she will rumble strut in return.

Any help is appreciated, I really don't know what to do. It's killing me to have her in the small cage, but if I took her out I'm afraid another fight might break out :(

Edit: I forgot to mention that before I put them in the C&C cage I did bathe them all together, but our local pet store was out of shampoo so it was just a water bath (Mistake #3)
 
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Hi and welcome

It doesn't sound like your girls are getting on. Sadly, not all piggies do; I have had plenty of sow bondings that didn't work out when it came down to the nitty gritty. You have obviously come up against a little feisty/fear-aggressive one (difficult for me to tell without seeing the piggy in question).

Please be aware that bathing is only of advantage when piggies are covered in testosterone/pheromone laden pee, otherwise it does not contribute to the eventual outcome apart from stressing out the piggies unnecessarily. It is currently making the rounds online as the ultimate bonding tool, which it frankly isn't. We have got lots of guides at the top of this section, which are based on experience of what works and what not.

Could you please add your country, state/province or UK county to your details, so we can talk you through your options much more efficiently, as they are very dependent of what is available where you are. We have got members from all over the world. Click on your username on the top bar, then go to personal details and scroll down to location.
 
Hi and welcome

It doesn't sound like your girls are getting on. Sadly, not all piggies do; I have had plenty of sow bondings that didn't work out when it came down to the nitty gritty. You have obviously come up against a little feisty/fear-aggressive one (difficult for me to tell without seeing the piggy in question).

Please be aware that bathing is only of advantage when piggies are covered in testosterone/pheromone laden pee, otherwise it does not contribute to the eventual outcome apart from stressing out the piggies unnecessarily. It is currently making the rounds online as the ultimate bonding tool, which it frankly isn't. We have got lots of guides at the top of this section, which are based on experience of what works and what not.

Could you please add your country, state/province or UK county to your details, so we can talk you through your options much more efficiently, as they are very dependent of what is available where you are. We have got members from all over the world. Click on your username on the top bar, then go to personal details and scroll down to location.
Wow, I wish I would've known about the bath. I added my state, thanks.
 
Wow, I wish I would've known about the bath. I added my state, thanks.

If it is going to make you feel better; I doubt that the bath has changed a lot. Once sows in a group take it in their mind that one of them is not "us", you've had it. It is difficult when you are now left with a single baby to find a solution for. I would give things time to settle down; right now they are all upset and nothing good will come from that.

Sadly, I don't know of any knowledgeable, good standard guinea pig rescues near you that you could turn to for help. That would have been by far the safest option as you could have worked out the best solution together. Please do not just pop it back to the shop, to a shelter with a killing policy or onto free-ads.
Here is the guinea Lynx list for the US; is there one you can get to? Guinea Lynx :: US Guinea Pig Rescue and Shelter Organizations

I would think that a submissive youngster as a companion for your little punk may be a long term way forward, but please check out all your options first and do not rush into things.
 
If it going to make you feel better; I doubt that the bath has changed a lot. Once sows in a group take it in their mind that one of them is not "us", you've had it. It is difficult when you are now left with a single baby to find a solution for. I would give things time to settle down; right now they are all upset and nothing good will come from that.

Sadly, I don't know of any knowledgeable, good standard guinea pig rescues near you that you could turn to for help. That would have been by far the safest option as you could have worked out the best solution together. Please do not just pop it back to the shop, to a shelter with a killing policy or onto free-ads.
Here is the guinea Lynx list for the US; is there one you can get to? Guinea Lynx :: US Guinea Pig Rescue and Shelter Organizations

I would think that a submissive youngster as a companion for your little punk may be a long term way forward, but please check out all your options first and do not rush into things.
Sorry for the late reply, and thanks for your time. I'm definitely not going to return her to the pet shop, or try and hand her off to someone. I'm considering getting in contact with one of my closest rescue locations. I just got home so I'll go browse around on this site some more. I have a lot to think about, so i guess I'll do just that.Thanks again!
 
Sorry for the late reply, and thanks for your time. I'm definitely not going to return her to the pet shop, or try and hand her off to someone. I'm considering getting in contact with one of my closest rescue locations. I just got home so I'll go browse around on this site some more. I have a lot to think about, so i guess I'll do just that.Thanks again!

Please take your time in researching your options and talking to places you can get to, so you can explore your local possibilities and find the solution that is best for your little girl and you. You are a caring owner.
 
I'm no expert but this seems to work well for me.

Try to set a pen with a transparent divider in between them(Preferably a chicken wire with small holes in them.) Put your haystack or food bowl near that divider so that when it's time to eat they can see each other quite often. The alpha will learn in due time that the smaller one is not a threat and will usually leave them alone when the divider is removed. Just give them time and don't rush it.
 
I'm sorry your youngest one has reacted this way. I think it sounds like the head-pig accepted the youngster, but Mae, being used to being the lowest in the pecking-order, decided that the youngest should be 'beneath' her. This is quite normal, but the bullying sounds worse than normal (if that makes sense). Sadly when next introduced, it is quite possible that your little Halcey remembered being bullied and attacked out of fear.
I had a sow who was fear-aggressive and had to separate them. She lived on her own for a few months before I tried another introduction, and that time it actually worked, except that they only lived happily together for a year (almost exactly) before she fell out with them again and had to be removed. At that point it became clear that living with other sows was just too stressful for her, so I opted to introduce her to a neutered boar, which worked out very well.

I agree with asking for help from a rescue, a good rescue may be able to help bond her with a friend of her choosing. x
 
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