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r.i.p Jasper.
Don't put yourself down for what happened! You did all you could, and loved this piggy very much. I'm sorry to hear of your sad loss. :(
 
Very sorry for your loss - a lovely pig with unusual markings. I also had a pig by name of Harvey, whom I lost a couple of months ago so this thread is particularly poignant for me.
 
Thank you everyone.

I've given Jasper some cuddles this evening, and he spent some time outside in a run with one of my other boars, Todd earlier. I've made him a little fleeced cushion made from the pocket of an old fleece top, stuffed it with a load of newspaper, sewed it up and covered it with some bedding and hay and the smell of Harvey, and he's been laying his head on it, sleeping so he likes it :)

I'm going to keep him interacting with me, having cuddle on my lap and also being with Todd when their out in the runs, but I won't be putting them together to live even though I know Todd is gentle with him, I don't know if he'll accept how 'needy' Jasper is. Robin and Oliver are a bit too boisterous for him so that wouldn't work.

That vet appointment that was going to be for Harvey on Tuesday, I've asked my mum to call up tomorrow, explain what's happened and if they'd keep it open for my girl, Penny so that will be a benefit if I can get her in instead.
 
I am really sorry to hear this, run free at the Bridge little Harvey :(

I am so sorry for your loss, you did what you could, even if Harvey had been seen by Vedra, or the vet, he may have had to go through lots of tests that may have been painful for him & the end result may not have been any different. Some piggies can get a "wasting" illness that nothing can stop. The outcome may not have been good, no matter how much money you may have had to spend on treatment for him. Big ((hugs)) for you & Jasper. In a way it was better that Jasper was with him at the end & got to say goodbye to his friend.
 
This is just so sad :0 What beautiful boys and the video of Jasper resting his head on Harvey broke me 8...
Please don't be offended by people's comments, we all have our little ways of looking after our piggies and have the right to disagree and not be shot down or made to feel like you're not doing your utter best. I've got angry at times but will drift off to another thread if I feel aggravated by someone/thing as the comments are perceived as that persons voice (you can pick up a tone by the wording) but I don't know these people personally and would not wish to meet a few rolleyes As long as YOU feel happy with what YOU do for your piggies, that is ALL that matters and is of no concern to others - the forum is here to hopefully help members not have a dig at someone for something :{ I could have got into full blown disputes over things on here but choose to ignore things now and don't spend nearly as much time on here, just a quick browse whereas I would be on here for 12 hours per day when time allowed.
Give Jasper a big hug from me x>> and again, I'm so sorry you lost Harvey :(
 
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Hello I just read this thread. I am so so sorry you have lost your beautiful little boy. My heart really goes out to you.

I know how it feels with mental illness. You constantly put yourself down and feel you are useless. I myself have thought my animals were better off without me and that I do not deserve them. It is just our mean way we have with ourselves. We would not allow anybody else to be treated the way we will treat ourselves. I have read many of your posts and can see you have a very good heart and love your animals so much. You can come across as abrupt sometimes but you do not mean it and get upset when people take you the wrong way. I recognised that in you as I think I do it too. When my Amelia Jane had to have an operation last year I was so sure I would lose her I planned how I would kill myself and felt Peronel was better off without me. When she recovered she had to stay in the vets for three days and was getting worse. I went to see her and she made a little noise at me. It was the first time she had made any noise and the nurse was so pleased as she had been worrying about her. I saw then that she needed me and although she could have another home nobody would ever love her as much as me. This is the same as you. You put everything you have into loving and caring for your babies. You would neglect yourself but never them no matter how you are feeling. I know you hate the fact you are unable to work but that does not change the person you are or the fact you are a great mother to your animals. You not working actually means you have more time with them so you are in a way a stay at home mother. You must not beat yourself up over not being able to work. You have a disability and it is not in your control. If you had a physical condition to prevent you from working then I bet you would not make yourself feel so bad about it. Society is so judgemental with mental illness and because it cannot be physically seen people will judge. You have a lovely girlfriend who seems to really love you and you deserve this love. You are a lovely woman and your animals would be so lost without you. If you do not enjoy the forum then by all means do not use it but do not let other people make you feel you are not worthy. You have made many useful contributions on here since you joined.

I am so sorry if I have said anything to upset or offend you. It was never my intention. I hope you are okay.
 
Hello I just read this thread. I am so so sorry you have lost your beautiful little boy. My heart really goes out to you.

I know how it feels with mental illness. You constantly put yourself down and feel you are useless. I myself have thought my animals were better off without me and that I do not deserve them. It is just our mean way we have with ourselves. We would not allow anybody else to be treated the way we will treat ourselves. I have read many of your posts and can see you have a very good heart and love your animals so much. You can come across as abrupt sometimes but you do not mean it and get upset when people take you the wrong way. I recognised that in you as I think I do it too. When my Amelia Jane had to have an operation last year I was so sure I would lose her I planned how I would kill myself and felt Peronel was better off without me. When she recovered she had to stay in the vets for three days and was getting worse. I went to see her and she made a little noise at me. It was the first time she had made any noise and the nurse was so pleased as she had been worrying about her. I saw then that she needed me and although she could have another home nobody would ever love her as much as me. This is the same as you. You put everything you have into loving and caring for your babies. You would neglect yourself but never them no matter how you are feeling. I know you hate the fact you are unable to work but that does not change the person you are or the fact you are a great mother to your animals. You not working actually means you have more time with them so you are in a way a stay at home mother. You must not beat yourself up over not being able to work. You have a disability and it is not in your control. If you had a physical condition to prevent you from working then I bet you would not make yourself feel so bad about it. Society is so judgemental with mental illness and because it cannot be physically seen people will judge. You have a lovely girlfriend who seems to really love you and you deserve this love. You are a lovely woman and your animals would be so lost without you. If you do not enjoy the forum then by all means do not use it but do not let other people make you feel you are not worthy. You have made many useful contributions on here since you joined.

I am so sorry if I have said anything to upset or offend you. It was never my intention. I hope you are okay.

Thank you for your kind words. You didn't say anything to offend me.

I know I lose my temper a lot if I can't see a way out of a situation and I do like to stand my ground at times. I've been kicked off two forums before for losing my temper and I just don't want to from here as well. So I just thought, to save arguments, I'll leave so I don't upset anyone, as I could have let rip a few times already but I guess I'm learning not to now, and I just leave it.

With my pets, I do feel inadequate all the time anyway, I get it from my family and my girlfriend almost every day now in various ways, so I guess it rubs off on my feelings towards keeping animals, whether I'm good enough for them too.
 
Are you saying your girlfriend and family are making you feel inadequate? If so you really have to question if it is of any benefit to be with people who are not having a positive impact. I think life with mental illness is hard enough without people making things worse.
 
Are you saying your girlfriend and family are making you feel inadequate? If so you really have to question if it is of any benefit to be with people who are not having a positive impact. I think life with mental illness is hard enough without people making things worse.

Yea I am. I've never felt good enough to my mum because she's always praised my brothers more than me. They've always been able to just get on with things and she'd 'joke' that it was easier bringing up boys than girls, even if I was with her. That began when I began having my mental health issues, I was about 12-13. I began wishing I'd either never been born or had been born male, maybe then I'd have pleased her.

My dad just doesn't really take any notice of us and never has done, but I've noticed now he'll talk WITH my younger brother about things, but he'll just talk at me and patronise me, if I'll ask him to buy me something in town, knowing I can't physically go there myself due to not being able to use buses alone, he'll just sit there ignoring me for what can be all day, pretending he's asleep or he'll turn the TV up, and then eventually he'll go and get me what I need. He won't say yes or no if he will/can do, and I don't mind if he won't or can't, I just don't get a response at most of the time, unless I keep on at him but then I know my mum had that problem with him as well so it can't just be me I suppose. I do think he's sexist to be honest more than anything.

My older brother has lived in Kent/London for 11 years now so I don't really know him. When he went to Uni, I was the eldest child at home and felt pressured to match his determination to succeed, and match his qualifications. I never did and I used to get it rubbed in my face all the time. Now my younger brother is succeeding in things, working and getting on with his life, I'm getting patronising and abusive remarks from him, and he's the one who used to try to stop my mum beating me black and blue as I was growing up, so I feel like he's stabbed me in the back. He would get bullied at school because his sister 'liked girls' and was 'mental'.

With my girlfriend, well I can't give the exact details why because this is a forum used by young people too, but lets just say I can't biologically give her what she's once told me, she's wanted me to give her. That's played on my mind ever since and reminds me of the pain I feel and felt growing up, not being just what my mum wanted me to be.

But, I depend on them all, well not my brothers, but I depend on my mum for support when we go to appointments anywhere or if I need to get anything in town, she'll take me. I depend on my dad for the house I grew up in for almost 19 years, he feeds me and lets me stay here for free. And I depend on my girlfriend because she's the only one, despite every single verbally abusive argument we have, that will always be genuinely pleased that I'm in their life.

Sorry that is a really personally and quite horrific thing to just come out with on here but that's how I feel every day, just constant conflicting emotions. No wonder I can get along with any animal but very, very rarely can I get along with people.
 
It is very sad your mother has made you feel bad about yourself and shown you that she values your brothers more then you. No wonder you have little self worth. Your brother is so mean and cruel to make nasty remarks to you. How dare he treat you like that? He has no right.

If your girlfriend is suggesting she wants things you cannot give her then maybe you need to question if you should stay with her. Maybe you are with her as you fear being alone rather then because she is giving you what you need. I am so sorry that you are stuck in this situation. As you have these difficult feelings you have come to rely on family that are just there but not able to give you the support you need. Are you under the mental health team? You need a support worker and somebody to talk to. Your girlfriend really does not deserve you.
 
Please don't give up your pigs just because you think you should. You sound like you are doing the right thing by them and that's the most important thing.

I have mental health problems and thankfully have a very supportive girlfriend but I can't cope without the unconditional love of my animals. They are the only ones that will take me as I am, any time of day, in any state and if I just want to sit and cry they are happy just to sit on my chest and lick up my tear.

They never hate, never judge, never have their own agenda ( excepty maybe veggies...) and never leave you until it is their time to be called home.

They are the most amazing supports I have and oit makes me so sad to see you sufferring and think that the way out is to get rid of your pets. If you are anything like me, animals will be your saviour. If nothing else feels worth keeping going for then the little squeaky thing with the heart meltingly cute fsace in the cage in the corner will keep you on the straight and narrow.

Please take care. x I know how crap it can be sometimes. x
 
It is very sad your mother has made you feel bad about yourself and shown you that she values your brothers more then you. No wonder you have little self worth. Your brother is so mean and cruel to make nasty remarks to you. How dare he treat you like that? He has no right.

If your girlfriend is suggesting she wants things you cannot give her then maybe you need to question if you should stay with her. Maybe you are with her as you fear being alone rather then because she is giving you what you need. I am so sorry that you are stuck in this situation. As you have these difficult feelings you have come to rely on family that are just there but not able to give you the support you need. Are you under the mental health team? You need a support worker and somebody to talk to. Your girlfriend really does not deserve you.

Please don't give up your pigs just because you think you should. You sound like you are doing the right thing by them and that's the most important thing.

I have mental health problems and thankfully have a very supportive girlfriend but I can't cope without the unconditional love of my animals. They are the only ones that will take me as I am, any time of day, in any state and if I just want to sit and cry they are happy just to sit on my chest and lick up my tear.

They never hate, never judge, never have their own agenda ( excepty maybe veggies...) and never leave you until it is their time to be called home.

They are the most amazing supports I have and oit makes me so sad to see you sufferring and think that the way out is to get rid of your pets. If you are anything like me, animals will be your saviour. If nothing else feels worth keeping going for then the little squeaky thing with the heart meltingly cute fsace in the cage in the corner will keep you on the straight and narrow.

Please take care. x I know how crap it can be sometimes. x

I think the reason I stay with my girlfriend and put up with my family is just because I've learnt to forgive, even though I know I'll never get an apology.
 
Please leave your options open........ you can always pop in whenever you feel like :)
The video was gorgeous x) please give little Jasper lots of loves from us all XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
 
I decided to leave last week because I felt I couldn't 'match up' to others on here at looking after my pets.. . .
Are you saying your girlfriend and family are making you feel inadequate? If so you really have to question if it is of any benefit to be with people who are not having a positive impact. I think life with mental illness is hard enough without people making things worse.
You poor dear, not having anyone around to let you know just how special and unique you really are. Some people just can't see the spark of the divine in other people, that's all. There is no one else like you on the entire planet out of the 6-10 billion other people wandering around, and there never will be again. What I had to do is to get rid of a couple of "toxic people" in my life either by ignoring them or moving away from them; they could not tolerate that I did not share their misery so it was their goal to make sure I did. Sure, I missed them, and one of them I never saw again even after she died, but there was more peace without listening to their poison and enduring their hateful stings.

And about not measuring up to others' ways of taking care of their pets - I can sometimes barely take care of myself, much less the animals I have taken on. I don't spend much time playing with them or making them houses or going for walks with the dogs or playing tickle with the cats or giving Redemption the guinea pig a bath (he's had 2). Yet I make sure they are warm, dry, fed, and have their medical needs taken care of, and most of the time that is about all I can do. Yes, Red spends too much time in his cage. But it's a large cage, so he's not cramped. Yes, the dogs spend way too much time being bored waiting for something to do. But they are in a warm house and not chained up in the yard. Yes, the cats spend way too much time sleeping alone because I push them out of my lap (they make me itch), but they have warm, cozy places to curl up and hide. We do what we can do, and as long as it's our best and done with love, more really can't be asked. You probably spend much more time with your lovies than I do with mine, so maybe you are better than I am.

And I am SO, SO sorry to hear about your sick little one's passing. That is always so discouraging, especially if we second-guess ourselves. Peace be with you.
 
You poor dear, not having anyone around to let you know just how special and unique you really are. Some people just can't see the spark of the divine in other people, that's all. There is no one else like you on the entire planet out of the 6-10 billion other people wandering around, and there never will be again. What I had to do is to get rid of a couple of "toxic people" in my life either by ignoring them or moving away from them; they could not tolerate that I did not share their misery so it was their goal to make sure I did. Sure, I missed them, and one of them I never saw again even after she died, but there was more peace without listening to their poison and enduring their hateful stings.

And about not measuring up to others' ways of taking care of their pets - I can sometimes barely take care of myself, much less the animals I have taken on. I don't spend much time playing with them or making them houses or going for walks with the dogs or playing tickle with the cats or giving Redemption the guinea pig a bath (he's had 2). Yet I make sure they are warm, dry, fed, and have their medical needs taken care of, and most of the time that is about all I can do. Yes, Red spends too much time in his cage. But it's a large cage, so he's not cramped. Yes, the dogs spend way too much time being bored waiting for something to do. But they are in a warm house and not chained up in the yard. Yes, the cats spend way too much time sleeping alone because I push them out of my lap (they make me itch), but they have warm, cozy places to curl up and hide. We do what we can do, and as long as it's our best and done with love, more really can't be asked. You probably spend much more time with your lovies than I do with mine, so maybe you are better than I am.

And I am SO, SO sorry to hear about your sick little one's passing. That is always so discouraging, especially if we second-guess ourselves. Peace be with you.

Thank you for your kind words.

I just feel like I should never have been born, that I'm not suited for life. I'm scared of the future and having the problems I have, I don't think I'll be able to cope for much longer.

I wish I was someone else, someone confident and independent and could just get on with things like everyone else. I wish I could understand letters I get in the post and could take and make phone calls, could work, not feel afraid of being alone when I'm older. I feel like a complete joke in the family and I'm fed up with it all, and now I don't have the one and only person who ever made me feel confident, independent and could do things like everyone else.

Everything is going from bad to worse :(
 
I just feel like I should never have been born, that I'm not suited for life.
I felt that way sometimes when I was younger. And somehow I had the knack of finding people who verified my low opinion of myself. After my parents died I got back in touch with people who knew me when, and THEY are the ones I should have been associated with the whole time, because don't you know they all tell me how important I am and how much they love me. The same is out there for you, I hope you don't have to wait until all these nasty people die off before you find it out.

I'm scared of the future and having the problems I have, I don't think I'll be able to cope for much longer.
Let's see, I have MS, right now my vision is going dim and I'm having trouble walking, AND the brain damage from the MS causes emotional distress and illness because of where the lesions are. I get scared that one day I might be totally dependent on somebody. But you know what I did this week? I went down to the local disabled veterans chapter I belong to and helped them clean out the thrift shop. One day at a time, honey bunches. One day at a time. In fact, one day this week I had to divide the day up into thirds, everything was going so wrong with my body, and I had to take the day a third at a time. Just one foot in front of the other, one step at a time, and I can just about guarantee you that as you get older you will cope better and better, because then you will see that much of what you worried about in the past wasn't worth the worry.

I wish I was someone else, someone confident and independent and could just get on with things like everyone else. I wish I could understand letters I get in the post and could take and make phone calls, could work, not feel afraid of being alone when I'm older.
Believe me when I say that time will help much of this. More time than you would probably like to have pass, but time nonetheless. I think maybe I am having the reverse problem as you with the same results; I used to be the smartest person in school and in the family, one of those people who never had to study because I could remember everything, always A's at university, and then MS hit me and the brain damage made me stupid. Why, many times I cannot even understand the meaning in a telephone conversation, and almost always I do not understand the action in a movie so I have generally stopped going to them. Because of the MS disability and fatigue I have had to stop working so I am on a disability income. I can't be trusted with the keys to a secure area because I can never remember where the keys are! I can't remember the beginning of a list when I get to the end. And now I *AM* older and I am alone. And you know, it isn't so bad because I can live life on my own terms and I never have to hear anyone tell me how now I'm old and stupid and not good enough.

Usually I suggest that people live in the moment, but for you I am suggesting that you detach yourself from the moment and peer into the future and see just how good and satisfying it can be, and how much you can do and how determined you can be even with disabilities, emotional or physical, that make it hard to cope with life the way you think other people do (but they really don't do any better a job of it than you, they just hide it better). One day at a time and I promise you, you will be OK.
 
I like Pat's advice. Very sound.

I agree with just taking one day at a time. That's enough to deal with. The future will take care of itself when it gets here. Hugs hun. x
 
You definately should have been born honeyy!

Everyone has a right to life and just because you can't feel it right now doesn't mean you are any less entitled to it.

You will have made huge differences to other people that you will never know about and ther are days to come when you will be the person that someone else needs to get by just as much as you need someone now.

I know what it feels like to wish you weren't here and to not know who you really are inside but it takes small steps like Pat says to remind us. Try to hold on and the real you will come back out fighting.

Find some memories or a hobby or anything that means something to you even if it's only nattering to us lot on here to give you some focus and something to head for.

Small targets. Just survive a couple of hours then think about surviving teh next bit of the day. Sometimes it's all you can do. x
 
I'm going to leave the forum for a while. I don't want to make a big thing about it with its own thread, just anyone who reads this post will find out.

I'm not coping very well tonight, well this morning. I can't sleep, I can't stop crying now and I can't stop thinking about everything going wrong.

I try to put on a brave face and a front to pretend I'm ok, but I'm not. I guess by pretending to others, I try to trick myself too.

So I might be back, I don't know yet. Thanks for the kind words by the way, they do mean a lot.
 
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