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Bladder stone surgery advice

Fluffpig

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Hi everyone, we’re currently abroad on holiday and found out our 5&1/2 year old boar, Fluff, became unwell, dropped weight and a bladder stone was discovered as the cause. 5.6mm and we now have to make a decision between surgery and PTS. I can’t see my boy and I dont know how he is in himself. Our eldest daughter (22) is home with the piggies and is saying he is quiet but ok. Loves his critical care and meloxaid, hates his enrocare!

He’s an older boy, what are the pros and cons of surgery? The aftercare seems tough on the Piggie with such a deep incision. Does anyone have any positives to share or tips and tricks?

Thanks
 
My Rosie (5+) had an angry 8mm bladder stone removed earlier this year. It was growing rapidly and had eaten itself into her bladder wall - causing major damage.

The surgery was quick and recovery very easy. I don't know, the situation was so dire and I was convinced she was not coming home. But she bounced back so quickly, and with extra measures (increased water intake and glucosamine) we have prevented another stone and so far even the sludge situation is under control too, after 5 years of struggle.

I am so glad I went the surgery route.
 
I’m glad Rosie is okay thanks so much for sharing your experience. It’s super helpful.
 
Sending healing wheeks for your boy. I'm sure other users will share their thoughts and experiences soon as well. Unfortunately so many of us have experienced sludge and stones. I shudder whenever I see threads about piggies with bladder issues :(
 
So sorry for your dilemma <3 it really depends on the piggie, which I appreciate might be hard as you aren't with him right now

I have lost one piggie to severe bladder stones - he had four by the time they were discovered and had gone into kidney failure so in his case we PTS

My current older piggie (4 1/2 yo boy, with severe arthritis) has a 1cm bladder stone. After much painful deliberation we have decided not to operate, because he is frail and doesn't do well with sedation and the stone has a high likelihood to recur. We already feed low calcium etc. His quality of life right now is good, and his symptoms are managed with antibiotics for flare ups & he is on painkillers that keep him comfortable

It is never an easy decision. In other piggies, surgery is absolutely the right choice. For my boys it wasn't. It is a horrible position to be in, I am sending you all the well wishes and know that whatever you decide is out of love

Operation or Terminal Care/Euthanasia? - Helpful Questions to Ask Ahead or in Hindsight This guide has been invaluable for me while making my decision (with my vets, ofc, their advice was we could go either way with current boy. With my rainbow boy, the decision was clear cut because his quality of life was so poor by the time the stones were discovered)
 
We recently had a pig here (he was originally adopted from us and had returned while his family were on holiday) who was very unwell with a bladder stone, the vets the family had been taking him to didn't have a clue! He was very very thin, not eating, the works.

We knew surgery would be a risk in his condition but we figured if he passed during it, it wasn't meant to be.

He survived and recovered so so well. His wound wasn't huge, and apart from checking it daily, there was no aftercare for the incision. Pain relief was all he needed post op, and he has since fully recovered.

Another pig was very unwell, vers missed the stone on the x ray, in the end we took him to a specialist who found it immediately by palpation already blocking his urethra. He survived surgery, but passed away the next day.

Just my experiences, I hope they help you make a decision ❤️
 
I have had a spate of bladder stones in my group about a dozen years back when I experimented with diet and for a little while got the balance just out. Thankfully all resulting five bladder stone ops in sows did come off; even the one from the sow with the 'silent' non-symptomatic rabbit-sized bladder stone who was down 510g at the op after another heavy weight loss over the weekend. However, she bounced back to 700g within 2 weeks post op.

Operation success depends majorly on where the stone sits (bladder or urethra in boars), whether the bladder wall of the urethra is majorly damaged and/or crystals are embedded in it (bladder trauma), how long the operation takes plus post-op recovery care at the vets and individual response to the GA. Boars have an awkward kick (inglenook) in their urethra where there stone usually fetches up, which is a lot more difficult and in some cases impossible to operate if the stone has become lodged in the wall.

A straightforward bladder stone op is usually not a problem and a piggy often bounces straight back, just from the sheer relief of pain.

The other issue arises from what is causing the bladder stone: is it dietary or is it something going wrong in the complex calcium absorption process? There is a sweet spot in the diet with a perfect balance of phosphorus, calcium and potassium. Since the food and water intake various individually by piggy as well as by location (water hardness and pellet brand/amount) etc. there is no ideal normal diet that fits everywhere. Going too low in calcium can unhinge the balance just as much as going too high.

If something is wrong with the absorption process, then stones can reform very quickly. The problem is that the only very crude tool we have at our disposal is diet, which takes several weeks to work out of the body and several weeks for new measures to take effect; any changes are not instant. And that some of the things that go wrong with the processing process cannot be influenced by diet and at the best be kept at sludge level from then on in.

This all means that it is very difficult to predict outcomes because of the complexity of the subject and the lack of effective medication. However, without an operation the outcome is a most certain death because there is no way of destroying stones in piggies medically, especially not larger ones, and waiting for them to come out naturally is also a gamble that usually doesn't work. Stones are made of carbohydrate and not calcium, by the way. That is the reason why most stone dissolving miracle cures fail. :(

Make sure that you ask your vet when you pick up your piggy from the clinic post-op as to how soon he can have more and how much painkiller again, that you have painkiller to give.

Here is some more information:
Wiebke's Guide to Pees and Stones
Tips For Post-operative Care
 
Thank you all so much. Fluff had his surgery on Friday and they removed the 5.6mm stone. He came round well and is on cisapride, meloxaid, calpol, Enrocare and critical care feeds plus additional water. He picked up ulceration to his eyes due to the anaesthetic so we have antibiotic drops and lubricant drops to add to the cocktail. I’m adding fibreplex to one feed a day now to get probiotics in.

He’s moving around better today and is munching hay and forage. I saw him eat a pellet last night and he’s had some fresh grass too.

He’s struggling to take the critical care feeds - he’s struggling with the syringe and tried to treat it like his water bottle. He had a vet check yesterday and is due one tomorrow.

He had blood tainted pee on Friday post op. Was largely ok yesterday as far as I could tell and has another blood tainted pee this morning (Google said this is normal?). We have another vet check first thing tomorrow morning (Monday).

I really appreciate all the advice and support from this forum. Thank you all so very much.
 
Thank you all so much. Fluff had his surgery on Friday and they removed the 5.6mm stone. He came round well and is on cisapride, meloxaid, calpol, Enrocare and critical care feeds plus additional water. He picked up ulceration to his eyes due to the anaesthetic so we have antibiotic drops and lubricant drops to add to the cocktail. I’m adding fibreplex to one feed a day now to get probiotics in.

He’s moving around better today and is munching hay and forage. I saw him eat a pellet last night and he’s had some fresh grass too.

He’s struggling to take the critical care feeds - he’s struggling with the syringe and tried to treat it like his water bottle. He had a vet check yesterday and is due one tomorrow.

He had blood tainted pee on Friday post op. Was largely ok yesterday as far as I could tell and has another blood tainted pee this morning (Google said this is normal?). We have another vet check first thing tomorrow morning (Monday).

I really appreciate all the advice and support from this forum. Thank you all so very much.
My Rosie had some blood in her wee for some days after her surgery.

I hope the vet visit goes well. Do ask about glucosamine supplements if your boy isn’t on it already! It will help line the bladder wall to protect it in the future. Personally I also stopped all pellets and switched to bottled water, your vet can advise :)

Strength for you and mr. Fluff!
 
Thanks so much re the glucosamine advice. I’ll speak to them tomorrow. Which brand of bottled water did you switch to? I’ve been looking and can’t work out the ones with the best mix of all the minerals with the lowest calcium. Thanks!
 
We've been using Volvic but the community on here has been so helpful and recommended Tesco Ashbeck water, as it's also very low in calcium.
 
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