Bonding Issues/Questions (Boars)

kmccoy05

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Hello all I apologize in advance for the long explanation,

I'll start out with a bit of intro. A couple years back my sister got a guinea pig. His name is Bleu. We went on vacation a while later, and boarded him at a rescue. We asked them to try him out with some other pigs to see if there were any he got along with, because we knew he needed a friend. The rescue told us how well Bleu was getting along with a pig named Larkin.

When we got back from vacation, we brought Bleu and Larkin home, and it was immediately clear that they did not get along. The rescue either was trying to clear out some space, or wasn't paying any attention at all to their interactions. When we got home, Bleu continuously mounted him (excessively), and bullied Larkin into a corner where he shook and would not do anything at all. After seeing this, we didn't leave them in there, we moved Larkin to his own cage. It took a while for Larkin to open up a little bit after this, but he is still extremely timid to this day.

So now onto my question, and my experience today. A couple months back we got another piggie (Grogu), but were unable to attempt bonding until just now due to an infection, and then ring worm that he picked up while in the store we got him from, because we saw his condition. We gave them plenty of space, and a big pile of hay in the middle in a location neither are familiar with. Being the older one, Larkin chased Grogu around and attempted to mount him. This went on for a while, and then Grogu mounted Larkin and Larkin just took it for a few seconds. After this, they both attempted to mount eachother, but would fight the other one off. There were never any serious bites, and we were standing by closely ready to break it up. We did end up seperating them after about an hour and a half since things started getting a bit more intense. I will attach some videos, and would like opinions on if it appears to be normal, or going too far? We really want Larkin to have a friend to bring him out of his shell, but we also don't want anyone getting hurt. I figured more experienced eyes would be able to tell me if this was going well or not, and what course of action to follow now. Thank you! (The creaking you hear in the video is me getting up to get ready with the towel) We also checked both for bites after and luckily we were all clear
Larkin is brown, Grogu is black
 
Hello. I’ve only ever bonded baby pigs with an older one. So they usually like each other as the baby wants a friend and the older one isn’t worried about a baby.

From your video it looks ok. There’s ball of fighting pigs. I’d definitely take out the hides and just have more hay and water in there. The last time I did a bonding I left them in the neutral pen overnight just to be sure they were ok with each other.

Next time you try to bond them leave them together all day and night as long as there’s no fighting.

Sprinkle feed pellets and veggies too so one piggy can’t hog it all.

Good luck
 
First thing I want to mention is that when you are bonding, you should only have a pile of hay/veg in the middle. There shouldn’t be any hides in there, even if they have two exits.

I haven’t seen anything particularly untoward in the video. Yes there was the noise but it didn’t escalate.

I would consider trying them again. With just a big pile of hay in the middle. See how they get on. If it goes well, you can also leave them in the bonding area overnight.

Have a read of the guides I’ve linked below. The first one is good because it grades the dominance behaviour.

Dominance Behaviours In Guinea Pigs
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics
A Comprehensive Guide to Guinea Pig Boars
 
Hello. I’ve only ever bonded baby pigs with an older one. So they usually like each other as the baby wants a friend and the older one isn’t worried about a baby.

From your video it looks ok. There’s ball of fighting pigs. I’d definitely take out the hides and just have more hay and water in there. The last time I did a bonding I left them in the neutral pen overnight just to be sure they were ok with each other.

Next time you try to bond them leave them together all day and night as long as there’s no fighting.

Sprinkle feed pellets and veggies too so one piggy can’t hog it all.

Good luck
First thing I want to mention is that when you are bonding, you should only have a pile of hay/veg in the middle. There shouldn’t be any hides in there, even if they have two exits.

I haven’t seen anything particularly untoward in the video. Yes there was the noise but it didn’t escalate.

I would consider trying them again. With just a big pile of hay in the middle. See how they get on. If it goes well, you can also leave them in the bonding area overnight.

Have a read of the guides I’ve linked below. The first one is good because it grades the dominance behaviour.

Dominance Behaviours In Guinea Pigs
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics
A Comprehensive Guide to Guinea Pig Boars
Thank you to you both for your replies. I really appreciate. We will give it another go soon, and remove the hideys. It seems like something that comes from experience, to know the vibe they are giving. Appreciate you both!
 
One last thing, from reading one of the articles, they should not be separated after starting, should we try again today, or wait a few days and give them some time?
 
One last thing, from reading one of the articles, they should not be separated after starting, should we try again today, or wait a few days and give them some time?

That’s correct - boars should not be separated unless the bonding clearly fails as it interrupts everything and means they need to start from the beginning again.

Try again when you’ve got enough time for them to be in the bonding pen for several hours, and as well as time to clean the cage they are to live in. Once they been in the bonding pen for a few hours, and if all successful, then they need to go into the cleaned out cage together
 
Just wanted to post an update. We tried them again, this time following your guys advice, no huts at all, big pile of hay and some lettuce in the middle. Last time we were really on the fence about how it was going. This time they made it very clear in about 5 minutes.

Larkin chased Grogu around for a couple of minutes, then once Grogu turned to face him they both began chattering loudly, stood up on their back legs and full on lunged at eachother. We called it there, guess its just not a match. Sad, but we want everyone safe and healthy. I appreciate the help you guys offered to give us the best chance at success.
 
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