Bonding male boar with females

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Hi everyone!

Long time no post! So whats happened is I’ve got four girls who are bonded really well. Today I have adapted a neutered boar who is around 2 years old (older than them). Due to covid we were unable to have any bonding sessions. From 9am today until 2pm we kept them separated with a grid between them so they could socialise etc. That was completely fine, no aggression etc. We decided to remove the barrier around 3pm and all was fine for about 10 minutes and then the teeth chattering, rumble strutting occurred. The main issue is between the alpha female and the male. Everyone else is fine and tends to stay out. There have been physical altercations but only chasing and nipping, no blood has been drawn. There is mainly moaning now all is okay and then it gets hectic. We think she needs to accept him (if she does) and that is the problem. He does seem a little dominant but only when she is. It is still early days and we will probably have to keep them separate tonight/ rest of this week as we are all working. Any suggestions?
 

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Hi everyone!

Long time no post! So whats happened is I’ve got four girls who are bonded really well. Today I have adapted a neutered boar who is around 2 years old (older than them). Due to covid we were unable to have any bonding sessions. From 9am today until 2pm we kept them separated with a grid between them so they could socialise etc. That was completely fine, no aggression etc. We decided to remove the barrier around 3pm and all was fine for about 10 minutes and then the teeth chattering, rumble strutting occurred. The main issue is between the alpha female and the male. Everyone else is fine and tends to stay out. There have been physical altercations but only chasing and nipping, no blood has been drawn. There is mainly moaning now all is okay and then it gets hectic. We think she needs to accept him (if she does) and that is the problem. He does seem a little dominant but only when she is. It is still early days and we will probably have to keep them separate tonight/ rest of this week as we are all working. Any suggestions?
I would like to add that the environment I put them in was cleaned down and neutral territory
 

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For now it sounds fine. The first stage is acceptance and then they go on to establishing the relationship.
I wouldn’t separate them now you have started the process unless there is an all out failure. You will need to see it through to conclusion now you have begun the process.
 

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For now it sounds fine. The first stage is acceptance and then they go on to establishing the relationship.
I wouldn’t separate them now you have started the process unless there is an all out failure. You will need to see it through to conclusion now you have begun the process.
We are remaining positive haha! The only problem is we don’t want to go to bed/work and something happens when nobody is here
 

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We are remaining positive haha! The only problem is we don’t want to go to bed/work and something happens when nobody is here
It’s a long time until the end of the day today though so you should know how things are before bed time.

The thing is when you start a bonding process, you have to have to be able to see it through - you shouldn’t separate them once the process is started unless there is failure. Piggies don’t do stop/start processes - it the interruption in bonding is stressful for them and it means they’ll have to start all over again another day (and you have to be certain you can see it through To conclusion)
 

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It’s a long time until the end of the day today though so you should know how things are before bed time.

The thing is when you start a bonding process, you have to have to be able to see it through - you shouldn’t separate them once the process is started unless there is failure. Piggies don’t do stop/start processes - it the interruption in bonding is stressful for them and it means they’ll have to start all over again another day (and you have to be certain you can see it through To conclusion)
There is a lot of rumble strutting, moaning, teeth chattering, running and hissing now and again between the alpha female and the male
 

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All sounds normal to me
We moved them back in to their original home (everything cleaned), but within minutes we were back to square one with the aggression. What we have decided to do for the rest of this week is expand their current set up so the girls are currently living in a 3x3 and him a 2x3. Ive attached a photo. Hopefully this will give them some breathing space and time to get use to each other etc
 

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We moved them back in to their original home (everything cleaned), but within minutes we were back to square one with the aggression. What we have decided to do for the rest of this week is expand their current set up so the girls are currently living in a 3x3 and him a 2x3. Ive attached a photo. Hopefully this will give them some breathing space and time to get use to each other etc
We plan to try it again from Saturday as me and my partner both have a week off so hopefully we can monitor things
 

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Was it actually aggression and not just dominance?

As it all comes down to character compatibility and whether they are willing to accept another piggy, the only tips we can give are those in the bonding guides, the rest is up to the piggies to work it out between them.
 

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Was it actually aggression and not just dominance?

As it all comes down to character compatibility and whether they are willing to accept another piggy, the only tips we can give are those in the bonding guides, the rest is up to the piggies to work it out between them.
It was dominance most of the time but when the alpha pig and the male came close then the teeth chattering, hissing, moaning, chasing etc started. They had plenty of space to run away
 

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Just make sure they’re in neutral territory with a big pile of hay and no hides
We done that at the end and it was completely fine, but when we put them back then it started. How long do you think they should be kept in a neutral territory with lots of hay?
 

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Often the dominance starts up again when they get back in the cage as it is a new environment.
You leave them in the bonding pen for as long as possible to get them past a lot of the initial stages of the process. The whole process of establishing a relationship takes around two weeks so seeing a change in the behaviour when they get in the cage is normal.
Was the cage completely cleaned down before you put them in it?
 

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Often the dominance starts up again when they get back in the cage as it is a new environment.
You leave them in the bonding pen for as long as possible to get them past a lot of the initial stages of the process. The whole process of establishing a relationship takes around two weeks so seeing a change in the behaviour when they get in the cage is normal.
Was the cage completely cleaned down before you put them in it?
Yeah the cage was completely cleaned out. We would leave them in the bonding pen overnight but the problem is that we don’t have enough of the big puppy pen bars to create a larger environment. They could easily jump over if not supervised. We might have to order some this week
 

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I would say several hours
We would leave them in there overnight but the problem is we don’t have enough of the bigger puppy pen ones and we all have work from tomorrow and I wouldn’t feel comfortable to leave them alone
 
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