Country Store Fruity Nuggets Or Excel?

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If you want to believe that I'm not going to stop you, and perhaps the official figures on the representative sites are wrong, perhaps burgess have fudged their figures but unless that is the case, then they don't contain higher calcium than other foodstuffs. And I think you should add that this is your opinion because it appears to others as though you are stating this to be a well researched fact.

Hannah is correct though, not everything is going to be correct for everyone, just as some humans can't tolerate certain foods, so will be the same with piggins, indeed there may well be something in the Burgess food that disagreed with yours and I don't dispute that for a second. I'm happy that your piggins seem better off with the other food, and I say carry on with it, but I don't think your calcium based reason should be used to put other people off using it.

If it turns up that there is something about it that is unsuitable or otherwise dangerous or possibly not quite up to scratch about it that I discover I will be the first to hold my hands up and say so.

I wish you no ill will, and I'm not attempting to create an unhappy forum, I am simply attempting to establish what is correct, factual and scientific.
 
I too am trying to educate people and have learned burgess is not a healthy food for guinea pigs. When talking on here it is a persons opinion they are giving every time they speak unless they say they know a certain thing to be fact. I never once said, research has shown burgess is high in calcium. I just stated it is high in calcium which shows that is my opinion. I wonder why you feel the need to pick apart my comments on this thread when I am clearly just trying to help other pigs.
 
All I am saying is that perhaps you need to state in future that you believe it to be high in calcium. It is high in calcum implies a fact not an opinion.
 
I do not need to be told how to speak. I have been on this forum for three years and never once had a member telling me how I come across or how I should word my comments.
 
I simply wish to see people factually informed where possible as opposed to informed by opinion. If an opinion is proven wrong then it is a lie.
 
I'm accusing you of propegating an unfounded and incorrect opinon as though it were a fact. And now presented with the evidence you refuse to change your wording slightly to avoid much confusion.
 
How I word my comments is none of your business. I explained I believe a pellet to be high in calcium if there are lots of calcium deposits. You have just come along and tried to pick on my comments and make me look bad. Why don't you mind your own business. I find you to be very rude. You are a new member to this forum and people do not behave in the rude manner that you are behaving in.
 
but @RexandGizmo is right and "it is" means factually correct, on the other hand, "I believe" or "I think" are opinions. I must admit on reading your first comment @piggyfan I instantly thought that Burgess was the worst food in the world and actually high in calcium. When in fact it is similar to most guinea pig foods on the market and is no higher in calcium than many others.
 
Hannah Boyd said:
but @RexandGizmo is right and "it is" means factually correct, on the other hand, "I believe" or "I think" are opinions. I must admit on reading your first comment @piggyfan I instantly thought that Burgess was the worst food in the world and actually high in calcium. When in fact it is similar to most guinea pig foods on the market and is no higher in calcium than many others.
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I did not realise I had to word my comments so carefully when just discussing something freely on here. I do believe it to be one of the worst pellets when compared to bunny or vitakraft.
 
piggyfan said:
I do not need to be told how to speak. I have been on this forum for three years and never once had a member telling me how I come across or how I should word my comments.
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Don't worry @piggyfan :agr: I'm sure you do what you think is best for your piggies. I think we all have different opinions on what is best to feed piggies. It is pretty much impossible to find a perfect nugget for them! At least everyone here is staying away from museli!:)
 
That's fine, and that's your opinion to hold, and opinions are good, fantastic in fact, they are the basis of consumer excellence, and without word of mouth and product opinions our society would suffer immensely. But I do believe that sometimes people's opinions come across incorrectly, I was simply attempting to point out how you might be accidentally misleading people in to thinking that your opinion was factual, without any intention to do so, in order that in the future people will be more informed and encouraged to look and research and see for themselves, on the back of which they can form their own opinion that may well align with yours, and if it does then so be it, that's their conclusion.
 
Could we simmer down please piggy maniacs?
No one is trying to cause an argument here. @piggyfan is merely trying to point out her experiences and what people she knows has said.
It is fully up to you if you wish to take Gigi's advice @RexandGizmo ,this is not your thread started anyway.

When people on the forum state 'bunny are the best pellets' this is not someone trying to point out that you can't choose any others. There are lots of pellets and nuggets around. Of which, especially cheap ones ARE full of sugar and molasses.
It is at a kind choice of members to explain what they have found and experienced. They do not expect to be criticised how they word their posts.
 
RexandGizmo said:
That's fine, and that's your opinion to hold, and opinions are good, fantastic in fact, they are the basis of consumer excellence, and without word of mouth and product opinions our society would suffer immensely. But I do believe that sometimes people's opinions come across incorrectly, I was simply attempting to point out how you might be accidentally misleading people in to thinking that your opinion was factual, without any intention to do so, in order that in the future people will be more informed and encouraged to look and research and see for themselves, on the back of which they can form their own opinion that may well align with yours, and if it does then so be it, that's their conclusion.
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No one on this forum is saying that are definitely correct. At the end of the day you are all responsible for your choices.
 
Opinions may come across incorrectly. When writing people can sound differently to how they would if they were to have the conversation in person.
 
In all fairness, we all do what we believe is best for our piggies. I am always looking for ways to improve my piggies lifestyle and so now I may see if I can get some Bunny or Vitakraft pellets. But on the other hand, it is distressing to be told that the perfectly reasonable food one is currently feeding, is one of the worst available for piggies as it is sold in pet stores so this is what the majority of pet owners will feed.
 
Hannah Boyd said:
In all fairness, we all do what we believe is best for our piggies. I am always looking for ways to improve my piggies lifestyle and so now I may see if I can get some Bunny or Vitakraft pellets. But on the other hand, it is distressing to be told that the perfectly reasonable food one is currently feeding, is one of the worst available for piggies as it is sold in pet stores so this is what the majority of pet owners will feed.
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I understand it is distressing and I too were appalled I was not feeding a good pellet and learned there are no good pellets in England. As I found that out I'm trying to educate other people so they too can improve things for their pigs.
 
To be fair in my research thus far I've come across some good things said about Oxbow.

In a rather strong statement of expression - and perhaps in definance of their fathers acts here today, Rex and Gizmo do actually appear to be picking around the Burgess Nuggets and eating just the Pets at home Nuggets. Whether this is simply because we have only just started introducing them I don't know but we shall see. If it turns out they don't like them, then all the too-ing and fro-ing in the case of my piggins at least is Moot.

My other half has disowned this account though and set up her own I believe, due to me alienating half the forum.

In turn I apologise for any comments or turns of phrase not inkeeping with the tone and friendliness of this forum.
 
RexandGizmo said:
To be fair in my research thus far I've come across some good things said about Oxbow.

In a rather strong statement of expression - and perhaps in definance of their fathers acts here today, Rex and Gizmo do actually appear to be picking around the Burgess Nuggets and eating just the Pets at home Nuggets. Whether this is simply because we have only just started introducing them I don't know but we shall see. If it turns out they don't like them, then all the too-ing and fro-ing in the case of my piggins at least is Moot.

My other half has disowned this account though and set up her own I believe, due to me alienating half the forum.

In turn I apologise for any comments or turns of phrase not inkeeping with the tone and friendliness of this forum.
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It was just a shock to hear such (what appeared to be) anger and felt you were really picking on me. I'm not good with words as it is due to not having much education and struggle to word things as it is.
 
Thanks @piggyfan , perhaps I will get some of the Vitakraft pellets, did you find that they disappear fast or do they last quite a while? Unfortunately, moving from feeding Burgess to Vitakraft my finances will now take a bit of a beating!
 
Hannah Boyd said:
Thanks @piggyfan , perhaps I will get some of the Vitakraft pellets, did you find that they disappear fast or do they last quite a while? Unfortunately, moving from feeding Burgess to Vitakraft my finances will now take a bit of a beating!
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What I found was, my pigs hated bunny. I then slowly got them to eat vitakraft. It took a while but now they totally love them. They only need five pellets each a day so one packet can last a few weeks. I agree you will be spending more money.
 
how big are the pellets? If they are 'normal' size then I think the money difference will not be very much.
 
They are about an inch long so you may like to break them I half. Mine eat them fine whole but it depends on each pig.
 
piggyfan said:
It was just a shock to hear such (what appeared to be) anger and felt you were really picking on me. I'm not good with words as it is due to not having much education and struggle to word things as it is.
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Please do not feel guilty about your wording with posts. Each member will interpret them differently; good and bad.
 
I apologise I wasn't attempting to pick on you. I was simply trying to help avoid any further confusion.
 
One thing that I learnt from this forum was that I did not need to feed ad lib pellets! I used to keep the bowl of pellets topped up all the time. Of course they also had adlib hay. However I learnt that it was not necessary to feed that much, and in fact could be harmful.

Now each pig gets an egg cup a day and lots of nice hay and veggies/grass.

Some people dont feed a pellet at all.

I suspect that if you feed only a very small amount rather than endless bowls, that the differences in nutritional composition between the pellets are less meaningful.
 
Me too @Goth Mummy ! I have since stopped this and feed a single amount and focus more on grass, hay and veggies. I think I have come to that conclusion too and with most food intake from hay and veggies, the exact nutrition on pellets is less important. So going to stick with Excel at the moment. :D
 
piggyfan said:
It was just a shock to hear such (what appeared to be) anger and felt you were really picking on me. I'm not good with words as it is due to not having much education and struggle to word things as it is.
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He does not mean to come across as picking on you. He is a strong opinioned person (maybe like yourself) and very much likes to see facts to back things up. This sometimes can come across as anger, but it is not, it is meant as a discussion/debate or fact finding mission.

Everyone is allowed opinions, so long as everyones piggies are happy with their life :nod:

As to the words thing, it did come across like a fact was being stated. but don't stress so much about it, some times it can be difficult to get right or to interpit right (I have dyselixa so know this) and sometimes things just need rewording or rejigging inorder to get the right thoughts across to both parties.

Please don't take to much offence. He is purely working off the facts and figures he has access to.

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