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Dopple - Possible Cervical Lymphadenitis! Any Ideas?

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Sorry this is long! :eek:

Hmm well it would appear that dopple possibly has cervical lymphadenitis, caused by the strep. zooepidemicus bacteria/virus whichever it is.

She's had a damp bum on &off with no visible blood for approx 3wks, took to the vet &given baytril.

Also slightly puffy eyes for a fortnight &had gentamicin (sp?)gel 2x daily with only slight improvement,

She's been eating slower but still has a good appetite.
Then had stringy poops so back to the vet again fibreplex.

Generally a slight improvement.
But Saturday night she had a wet bottom &some bloody residue round her genitalia, then I found shredded paper bedding with a pink tinge to it :(

Her eyes seem to be more wide open &a little bit of the enlarged white is bloodshot. Still on eyedrops.

She has a small scab on her nose(less hairy bit) slightly snotty too &last night was a bit raspy. So put olbas oil on a cloth near cage.

Back to the vets tonight &he found a rather large lump under her chin/lymph node area.
With raspy /fluid crackly nasal breathing.
She's got loxicom for the pain relief/anti inflammatory UTI related problems too!

The vet is ordering in some zithromax to fight the infection &thinks we may have to drain the lump surgically too.

She's a bit spongy bellied&put back on 50g since visit approx 2wks ago

... Just got over Grace's abscess &now this! :(

I know its not overly common but does anybody have any words of wisdom or ideas I can discuss with my vet ref this?

Any old related threads seem to be very old &mostly with inactive members.

Looks like human children get in regularly but they are treated usually with penicillin(definite NO for gpigs).

Collecting zithromax tomorrow, might query diuretic/frusimide for her too.
Poor little poppet, she's been snoozing well the last couple of days

Thanks in advance. Xx
 
GPTV said:
Sorry this is long! :eek:

Hmm well it would appear that dopple possibly has cervical lymphadenitis, caused by the strep. zooepidemicus bacteria/virus whichever it is.

She's had a damp bum on &off with no visible blood for approx 3wks, took to the vet &given baytril.

Also slightly puffy eyes for a fortnight &had gentamicin (sp?)gel 2x daily with only slight improvement,

She's been eating slower but still has a good appetite.
Then had stringy poops so back to the vet again fibreplex.

Generally a slight improvement.
But Saturday night she had a wet bottom &some bloody residue round her genitalia, then I found shredded paper bedding with a pink tinge to it :(

Her eyes seem to be more wide open &a little bit of the enlarged white is bloodshot. Still on eyedrops.

She has a small scab on her nose(less hairy bit) slightly snotty too &last night was a bit raspy. So put olbas oil on a cloth near cage.

Back to the vets tonight &he found a rather large lump under her chin/lymph node area.
With raspy /fluid crackly nasal breathing.
She's got loxicom for the pain relief/anti inflammatory UTI related problems too!

The vet is ordering in some zithromax&thinks we may have to drain the lump surgically too.

She's a bit spongy bellied,&put back on 50g since visit approx 2wks ago

... Just got over Grace's abscess &now this! :(

I know its not overly common but does anybody have any words of wisdom or ideas I can discuss with my vet ref this?

Any old related threads seem to be with inactive members.

Looks like human children get in regularly but they are treated usually with penicillin(definite NO for gpigs).

Collecting zithromax tomorrow, might query diuretic/frusimide for her too.
Poor little poppet, she's been snoozing well the last couple of days

Thanks in advance. Xx
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GPTV said:
Sorry this is long! :eek:

Hmm well it would appear that dopple possibly has cervical lymphadenitis, caused by the strep. zooepidemicus bacteria/virus whichever it is.

She's had a damp bum on &off with no visible blood for approx 3wks, took to the vet &given baytril.

Also slightly puffy eyes for a fortnight &had gentamicin (sp?)gel 2x daily with only slight improvement,

She's been eating slower but still has a good appetite.
Then had stringy poops so back to the vet again fibreplex.

Generally a slight improvement.
But Saturday night she had a wet bottom &some bloody residue round her genitalia, then I found shredded paper bedding with a pink tinge to it :(

Her eyes seem to be more wide open &a little bit of the enlarged white is bloodshot. Still on eyedrops.

She has a small scab on her nose(less hairy bit) slightly snotty too &last night was a bit raspy. So put olbas oil on a cloth near cage.

Back to the vets tonight &he found a rather large lump under her chin/lymph node area.
With raspy /fluid crackly nasal breathing.
She's got loxicom for the pain relief/anti inflammatory UTI related problems too!

The vet is ordering in some zithromax&thinks we may have to drain the lump surgically too.

She's a bit spongy bellied,&put back on 50g since visit approx 2wks ago

... Just got over Grace's abscess &now this! :(

I know its not overly common but does anybody have any words of wisdom or ideas I can discuss with my vet ref this?

Any old related threads seem to be with inactive members.

Looks like human children get in regularly but they are treated usually with penicillin(definite NO for gpigs).

Collecting zithromax tomorrow, might query diuretic/frusimide for her too.
Poor little poppet, she's been snoozing well the last couple of days

Thanks in advance. Xx
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Hi, I'm so sorry but I don't have the expertise or experience to give advise on this matter. But I do wish Dopple a speedy recovery and I hope she feels better soon. Healing vibes to Dopple x
 
@Hoppity.K @Wiebke Thankyou,appreciated -she's not really been ill before. Mostly the odd haypoke, but that's all.
She's not her usual self though :(
Xx
 
I don't have any insight, unfortunately, but do wish her a speedy recovery! Please keep us posted on her progress!
 
Freela said:
I don't have any insight, unfortunately, but do wish her a speedy recovery! Please keep us posted on her progress!
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Thankyou.

I collected her zithromax tonight& will attempt to give her after I've walked the dog, the vet thinks the diuretics might just overload her system with meds so opted just to do antibiotics&painkillers .

she's snuggled up with grace at the moment. Poor little baby :(
 
piggieminder said:
Sending Dopple loads of healing vibes and hugs to you both.
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thankyou... i get the impression this is going to be a long old haul, but i have to try to be positive for her sake.

meds time was a surge of relief, she licked the zithromax off the syringe , so i didnt have to force her to have it (that makes life so much easier!) good girl :luv:

another appt Tues unless theres any developments.
 
Ive had a piggie with this,i had to syringe feed my piggie for 2 weeks,zithromax was gicen for 3 months,but it relieved the infection,my piggie made a full recovery after 4 months,and lived to be 7 years of age.I'm sorry you are experiencing this,but it can be managed .I hope you are looking after yourself.:hug:
 
eileen said:
Ive had a piggie with this,i had to syringe feed my piggie for 2 weeks,zithromax was gicen for 3 months,but it relieved the infection,my piggie made a full recovery after 4 months,and lived to be 7 years of age.I'm sorry you are experiencing this,but it can be managed .I hope you are looking after yourself.:hug:
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:woot: Thankyou so much!
I'm sorry I could only 'like' this post &not 'Love' it.
Its the 'olive branch' of hope I needed. :hug:

How big was her/his lump? Dopple's is very big :(
Did your guinea have rattley breathing, snotty nose, UTI & problem eyes too?
Any idea how it started?

The vet wondered if surgery may be needed to remove the lymph nodes/gland? Or to drain the infection the in the same way as an abcess, although he did warn me any discharge would be contagious to my other 2girls :(
So would need to be isolated from them for the duration of the 'at risk' period.
Not sure how she'd be with that as her &Grace are always snuggled up,grooming each other&sleep together. :wub:

Glad your guinea made a full recovery :nod: especially to such a good old age too :D
Sign of a devoted slave :love: Dopple's about 4.5ish yrs old.

Thankyou again :tu:
 
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his lump was 1.5 cm x1.5 cm,he did have this drained !i hope your piggie responds well to treatment.He had two upper respiratory infections,and had trouble swollowing prior to the lump being removed as this was pressing on the sinuses and the throat .xx
 
@eileen Darn off to work now, i think the vet said hers was 2 something- but that i think was inches :( i couldn't take everything in as too much info at once!
was it drained the same as a tooth abcess? Grace just had hers done.
Dopples nose is a bit snotty, but better today than yesterday.

was the zithromax dose before or after the lump removal? it just Graces abscess pus went flaky with the zithromax, so i don't want a huge flakey bump on her chin that could get attached to nerves or blood vessels in her throat.

was your guinea quarantined/isolated with the drainage or just in a cage next to the others?

No worries @helen105281 thankyou
xx
 
yes it is very similar,my piggies lump was sent of for histology and cultures,the Zithromax had already been commenced.i did not quaratine or isolate my piggie as my piggie got depressed on his own.i flushed the abcess twice daily with dilute hibiscrub.the pus needs to come out,if it is flaky it usually means it is just drying out pus !Yuck ! would wear disosable gloves if possible.it is a slow process,but keep it up,and zithromax should continue until the abcess has healed.not all of my piggies abcess could be removed as it was near some important blood vessels and parts.i fed emarald feed for a week as it is more runny than CC,It helps to put on weight.my piggie had two smaller lumps further up his chin,which were left,the zithromax seemed to help and treat it effectively.
 
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Where abouts was the drain hole?
In the face, neck or chest area?
I have some recovery food (supreme) at home for graces abscess recovery but she never needed it :)
Dopple's still eating well at the moment. Just a little slower than she used to.
The vet left graces face abcess flakey bits in where they were round vessels/nerves, but removed as much as he could &she's healing up nicely :)

@eileen Thanks for the info. Really helpful &I'm more optimistic now than I was :D
Xx
 
the drain hole was in the neck !but it really depends on where the abscess is located. I hope Dopple recovers quickly,good that cc is not needed.x
 
I'm assuming that's where dopple's will be, lower neck region if she has it drained.
Bless her she's always been a bit of a lardybum ,so I'm hoping her appetite will stay with her ;)
Xx
 
@eileen

:doh:ok sorry can i just clarify?
1 - your guinea had zithromax,
2 - the vet then removed most of the lump & sent away for testing
3 - the wound was left to drain
4 - carried on using zithromax for approx 3months

*so how long between giving the original dose of zithromax & removing the majority of the lump?did it need to get to a certain stage, or was it just removed as soon as possible?

*how long did the test results take to come back roughly & were the results useful? would it have been to change antibiotic if the cultures came back resistant to zth?
*i dont suppose you can remember how long the drain was left for your guinea can you? (approx week, 2wk,month, just a general guide).
*had your vet ever seen or treated this CL before?
*I'm just wondering if my vet could contact yours for any tips n tricks, to get shot of this?


:flag:Sorry to keep pestering you, just i hate to see my little girly like this :(

Thankyou, the girls & i appreciate any info you can offer.:nod:
xx
 
my guinea pig had zithromax for
a total of 3 months,vet sent lump for testing for sensitivity,and histology ?to ensure no carcinoma insitu.
the wound was on the neck area,left open to drain and syringe dilute hibiscrub for approx 6 weeks then it healed ,no further pus present.
metacam given for pain relief and as an anti inflamatory.
it took 3 weeks for the test to come back,zithromax was sensitive to the infection.
my vet did not state wether he had seen this previously.
not every lump will necesarily been in the same place.
i hope your young lady comes through ok.:nod:
 
Did u have the lump removed immediately or start off with the zithromax for a period of time to make the lump smaller then operate?
@eileen sorry
 
Well- little miss Dopple is doing ok at the moment, still eating like there's no tomorrow &leading me a merry dance.... Or should that be a messy dance with the zithromax!

The first 2days she licked it off the syringe- a lovely 2minute job,
Since then its been a long drawn out 20min+ chore &battle of minds!

We're off to the vets tomorrow after work for a checkup &see how things are going, she still has her lump, but on the bright side she is breathing better, her eyes have improved &her nose is less snotty.

Hopefully the vet will measure a reduction in size of her lump, but we'll wait &see.
 
Poor you and your piggies! You are going through it aren't you? First Grace and now Dopple it never rains but it pours @GPTV! I hope everyone is better soon and you can stop worrying about the poop producers!
 
Hmm yep the darlings have decided that they should start doing bus impressions.... Not had any abscess type issues ever in all the years I've had guineas, then two come along at once! @Betsy

Thanks folks, I'll update how we get on at the vets later/tomorrow
Xx
 
Well we've had her checkup- the vet is pleased with her progress. The lump seems to be softening &snotty nose&bottom seems cleaner.
She's still eating well but she did seem a bit lethargic tonight when I took her over :(
The breathing seems to have gone a bit rasp'y again today too!

We're going to try another 7-10 of zithromax for now &see if her symptoms are improving, we'll have another review of the situation then, booking her in for surgery if we feel she needs it, although the zithromax is expected to be a much longer course as @eileen experienced with her little fella.
I'm a bit unsure on surgery or not,
It'll be risky but a quicker. improvement if things go well.
Also if the wound is left open to drain then the chances of passing this on to the other two are much higher.
Especially if I'm having to flush it daily too!


Bless her I just want to smoosh her cheeks &blow raspberries on her :wub:
Will leave that until I've done battle with the zithromax later though! :doh: ;)

Xx
 
Well just an update really, couldn't bring myself to do it before :(

I went &cleaned out the cage shortly after my last post, Dopple was a bit quiet, I took her out to give her, her meds. She wasn't having any of it! She was wobbly at walking when she ran off, her eyes seemed a bit worse too.

I decided to phone the emergency vet, took her there &met a different vet about 8pm.

He examined her &didnt really have any answers-was possibly going to try a steroid injection but I wasn't keen on that, so he gave her some zithromax that I'd taken with me.

He got most into her & didnt faff about at it like I would, but she tried runnin to me,still a bit wobbly then she just collapsed on her side, pushed herself a few steps &lay there lifeless.

I still can't quite comprehend what happened &the speed of it all, from unwell to crossing rainbow bridge within about 15seconds.

The vet thinks she was just too stressed with it all.
I'll never again blow raspberries in her glossy fur or smooch those brilliant white whiskers with chinny rubs :(
I'm feeling a bit broken at the moment. :hug:
 
So sorry for your loss. I had a little bit of a similar experience when my rabbit died on the vet table in front of me having gone from the local vet to their veterinary hospital with a drip in her leg for her to see the specialist vet. I miss her terribly still. You were with her at the end having done everything you could I hope that is a comfort to you.
 
I'm very sorry @GPTV that you have lost your beautiful piggie.you did your upmost .ive a 6 month old piggie with a large abscess under his chin ,so he will be in surgery monday.Freya has uri,she is on septrin,bisolvon,and f10 nebuliser.one male that had a big abscess removed two weeks ago,he had a fight with his mate,next both will be neutered.hugs to you ,cherish the good memories,though that is not much conselation.:hug:
 
Oh Andrea I'm so sorry for your loss! At least you were with her. You tried your best to keep her with you but when the time has come for them to pass over the Rainbow Bridge there is no stopping them. They want to have fun and popcorns and zoomies again and she is doing that right now. I hope that is a comfort to you. :hug::hug::hug:
 
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