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Getting A Pig To Eat For Itself After A Month Of Syringe Feeding

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Danielle Smith

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My saga with Tubs is detailed here.

We've been syringe feeding him for a month now. In the last couple weeks, he takes a few bits of hay by himself, eats veggies and snacks he likes (coriander, lettuce, peaflakes; he'll often have a go at other veg like pepper too if you leave it in there for an hour or so), and has been seen taking a single bite of pellets.

However, he just doesn't seem hungry; he won't eat Critical Care or mushed pellets off a spoon like he did after his neuter op. I've been switching around pellets veggies and hay to find something he likes (vet said he might like his old pellets less as they remind him of feeling rotten), but I'm not having any luck. I'm having to syringe feed him for 3 hours a day.

His weight has stayed relatively stable, but bobs up and down depending on whether we managed to get a few mls extra syringe feed into him during that time. He still the lowest weight he's ever been (755g at 18 months from just over 1kg a month and a half ago).

The vet said he's improved massively from how he was. His teeth are fine and he isn't bloated as such. She did remark that he felt very gassy and indeed he was trumping away as she palpated his abdomen... However, she doesn't think he should be given more gut stimulant or any gripe water as he's still pooing fine. She thinks the gassiness is due to the fact his tummy is a bit empty; on a good day I can feed him up to 60 ml of really thick syringe feed but it's usually around 40ml.

I'm a bit stuck; how can I get him to eat for himself if he doesn't have an appetite? He only eats things he likes, and sprinkling the beloved probiotic on everything doesn't fool him, he just licks it off! I don't mind feeding him for the forseeable future, but I'm really worried about when we go away on holiday and he needs to be boarded. It's a lot of extra work I'm not sure someone else could do.

He's a really fussy pig and is very difficult to get syringe feed in. I have to resort to propping him up against my chest; even my experienced OH can't manage to feed him in this position as he tosses his head about so much. He gets really distressed when we wrap him and try to syringe feed in a more normal position. We've tried not syringe feeding for half a day to encourage him to eat for himself but he just lost 30g and looked awful.

Any advice is very much appreciated. Were at the end of our tether I'm afraid. We recently bonded him with two little sows and he seems a lot happier, rumbling about and generally moving more (though his bumblefoot still isn't better) but it's still not encouraging him to eat! He's not on any drugs as such at the moment, only Vit C and probiotic.

Tagging @furryfriends (TEAS) as she might have some experience with this.
 
You can try and mix mushed up pellets with the syringe feed or mix in some juiced veg. It can be very difficult to wean a piggy off syringe feed if it has been on it for some time. have you got access to some dog/fox pee-free grass and fresh herbs? That can often be the first things they really like to eat.
 
He loves grass... I wonder if mixing grass with mushed-up pellets would help?

The main issue is it appears he won't eat anything he doesn't actively enjoy. So with hay and pellets, they aren't grass/peaflakes/lettuce so he refuses to eat them.

I'm not inclined to withdraw or reduce syringe feed as he loses a frightening amount of weight... And it probably wouldn't encourage him to eat even if he felt hungry. In the morning when I give his veg before syringe feed, once his favourite lettuce is gone he wheeks extremely loudly and urgently for something else, he's clearly hungry... But he won't voluntarily eat pellets, hay, or veggies he doesn't absolutely love. Oh Tubs :mal:
 
I found soaking some of their pellets in warm water and mixing in a sprinkling of oats in a shallow bowl encouraged ours to eat when they were syringe fed. Ive comoletely replaced our Brambles syringe feeding with it now, although I also mix in a spoonful of critical care because she likes it, if she didnt the smell of it might be offputting. With veg, I found grating up ones with strong smells, celery, carrot, cucumber encouraged them a little. Mint and parsley chopped up helped too.

Oh and scatter feeding really helped, for some reason. Even now other than her really shallow tapas bowl, Bramble refuses to eat from a normal food bowl and her dry food has to be spread in the floor. I guess maybe its easier to reach. Shes eating her pellets again but I had to tempt her with museli to start with just to get her to eat anything at all by herself.
 
Thanks for the suggestions @Eriathwen !

He noses around oats but doesn't actually eat any, and he refuses soaked pellets of any consistency (soaked but left as pellets, mashed, or more watered-down). He doesn't like Critical Care any more, but I could try mixing in some Emeraid to his pellet mash, one of the few things he'll eat a little off a spoon. I didn't think of grating veg either, these are all great ideas thanks both :)

He is eating a variety of veg, but only on his terms (so tomato, herbs, lettuce, and some pepper).
 
A little update.

Tubs is eating a little more variety in terms of veg, and is particularly keen on certain kinds of hay (Oxbow Timothy and Friendly's Oat Hay), for a couple minutes' frantic munching at least. He's been seen mouthing a couple of pellets, but still isn't eating anything of substance apart from veggies.

I'm still syringe feeding him 40-60ml of incredibly thick Critical Care per day (about 3 times as thick as when mixed up as directed) and he's getting probiotics (Avipro and Fibreplex). His weight is stabilising between 770 and 790g.

We've tried everything suggested to entice him to eat, and it's just not happening. He'll take half a spoonful of something but quickly loose interest and refuse it for days. What's worse is because he isn't eating his pellets, the two 10-week old sows he has in with him aren't eating pellets either :mal: and aren't gaining weight as quickly as I'd like.

His tummy still makes odd sounds and when being syringe fed you can feel little bubbles of intestine or gas come up, but the swellings go down quickly enough. In the cage he gets tired out a little more quickly that before the illness but is still rumbling around his ladies, and I've seen a couple popcorns.

Before I go to the vet again, has anyone got any ideas as to what this could be or how I could help (would still appreciate @furryfriends (TEAS) input ;))? His teeth were checked 2-3 weeks ago and were absolutely fine, and his poos are great (if not quite enough of them). This all started when some of his abdominal lymph nodes became incredibly inflamed and he lost 120g over a fortnight. My partner is wondering if he went into partial stasis when he was ill, and if that might have had a lasting effect on his digestive system...
 
What happens when you start to reduce the syringe food? Is there a medical reason why he's still getting the food?

I wonder if the amount of food he is getting by syringe is enough fill him up so he's not bothering to eat.
 
@Jaycey, if he's not fed by syringe, he loses around 20-40g a day and keeps losing; if we fed him less, he loses less but still loses (i.e. he had a normal feed last night and this morning he got 12ml instead of 20ml... by 5pm he'd lost 25g). We thought as you did he might be full, but when we withdraw the syringe food completely he's looking very sorry for himself. I think the issue is he's not hungry; he nibbles pieces of hay, but he's not the voracious pig he used to be.

@furryfriends (TEAS) I honestly don't know how experienced she is with dental; she's the most cavy-savvy vet in Cumbria but I don't know her dental experience. My partner and I were discussing visiting Simon, but I wondered if I got an X-ray done at my vet first that would help or if we should just come to the cat and rabbit clinic. Re: thrush, I haven't seen any red lesions or whiteness, but I don't have buccal separators for a proper look (and neither does my vet). I take it treating with Daktari oral gel on spec is a bad idea (see @Wiebke, I listen to your words of wisdom :D)? While he has no issues with eating veggies like lettuce and cucumber, he's a little slower at carrot and pepper, and slower at eating hay than he used to be... He can't do pellets at all, he does very odd things with moving it around his mouth which did make me think teeth issues were at play...

It's worth noting he won't take syringe feed or mushed-up pellets from a spoon, nor oats made into a porridge with water. For all intents and purposes, he doesn't have the drive to eat (though he does still chatter at me to hurry up with peaflake delivery, and he crunches those up just fine).
 
I'm sorry your Tubs is not eating for himself.if you can get to Simon Maddocks, he is the best.I had a dental piggie that took 6 months to eat.Jerry kept getting bloat, the pain prevented him from eating.a local vet wanted to put Jerry to sleep at the first sign of teeth problems.He went on to live a full year and did eat for himself.I would highly recommend it if you are able to get there.I have decided i will take all my piggies there if they are poorly.good luck.xx
 
@Jaycey, if he's not fed by syringe, he loses around 20-40g a day and keeps losing; if we fed him less, he loses less but still loses (i.e. he had a normal feed last night and this morning he got 12ml instead of 20ml... by 5pm he'd lost 25g). We thought as you did he might be full, but when we withdraw the syringe food completely he's looking very sorry for himself. I think the issue is he's not hungry; he nibbles pieces of hay, but he's not the voracious pig he used to be.

@furryfriends (TEAS) I honestly don't know how experienced she is with dental; she's the most cavy-savvy vet in Cumbria but I don't know her dental experience. My partner and I were discussing visiting Simon, but I wondered if I got an X-ray done at my vet first that would help or if we should just come to the cat and rabbit clinic. Re: thrush, I haven't seen any red lesions or whiteness, but I don't have buccal separators for a proper look (and neither does my vet). I take it treating with Daktari oral gel on spec is a bad idea (see @Wiebke, I listen to your words of wisdom :D)? While he has no issues with eating veggies like lettuce and cucumber, he's a little slower at carrot and pepper, and slower at eating hay than he used to be... He can't do pellets at all, he does very odd things with moving it around his mouth which did make me think teeth issues were at play...

It's worth noting he won't take syringe feed or mushed-up pellets from a spoon, nor oats made into a porridge with water. For all intents and purposes, he doesn't have the drive to eat (though he does still chatter at me to hurry up with peaflake delivery, and he crunches those up just fine).

The eating behaviour is normal for a guinea pig that has problems with chewing. The softer a veg, the easier it goes down. Try to cut everything into small strips.
Here is a my Hywel coming down with another dental root abscess; anything green and soft went down best:
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Here is a recent little video of a recovering TEAS resident (one of the sanctuary piggies that @FurryFriends has been looking after) :
 
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