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mneo

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Dear All,

I am very lost now and my friend suspects that I'm suffering from mild depression. Although I'm 31 yo but I totally lost myself in the past 2 weeks as 2 of my 4 girls decide to leave me. I really have no idea why I'm so obsessed with guinea pigs and it really pains me that despite giving my girls my full attention, proper food and veterinary care they are not able to live long lives.

I'm currently on my 3rd batch of piggies. It took me a few years to decide to start caring for them again. Experience from the previous two batches were great and the only issues I had with them were very mild mites so I thought this time I will get 4 of them! I started with adopting Miffy (22/9/12), Buffy from pet store (21/10/12-31/8/14), then Paffy (22/6/13) and Ruffy (22/6/13-17/9/14) from the same breeder.

Ever since I had all 4 of them I could tell that Buffy and Ruffy had some issues.

Ruffy was very small and thin but very active when I got her, hyper active I would say to the extend that her other 3 sisters got annoyed and started picking on her. She then became very skittish and is always hiding. Early May she contracted URI and I was devastated as I didn't expect this to happen to my piggy thou I've read about it. Vet 1 says she's very small and the next one week is very critical and I have to force feed critical care every 3 hours plus her other meds, which I did for a week and I was almost a walking dead at work. 1 week Later I brought her back for review and because she still looked the same, this Vet 1 told me that it's unlikely that she will make it for another week and if she does to go back for review and this time I need to feed her once every 2 hours! As there's no one taking care of her at home I brought her to work with me everyday. Yes it's really draining but I can't give up on her when she's still hanging in there. Alas! She made it past another week and vet says she can be off baytril and I never felt so accomplished in my life before! But at the same time she has gunk in her ears which clearly Vet 1 doesn't seem too bothered by it and wants me to just keep cleaning it. Frustrated I seeked second option with Vet 2 and Ruffy has to be on antibiotics ear drop. A month has passed and Vet 2 says it's looking good so we can stop the antibiotics and replace with normal ear wash but 3days before her passing while I was cleaning her ears she did a 90degree head tilt which scare the out of me and the next day I took her to the vet where they suggested flushing her ears. After the flushing she seems moody but could still eat n two days later she completely lost her balance ans started rolling about in the cage. I rushed her to the vet and they say she's in a critical condition where I need to decide to do a cpr or dnr on her. Anyway as much as I hate to I opted to euthanize her as shes starting to have seizures. Sigh.

For Buffy, she always coughs once or twice when she's eating dinner (vege) but other than that she's fine but she's quite a quiet girl. When I brought them for routine check up vet says her molars look a lil overgrown but if she's still eating it's fine but should it pose as a problem she will need surgery to trim it but Buffy is a lil slim so I hope that day won't come. Fast forward to a few days before her death, I noticed that her eyes got a lil crusty, she looks a lil lethargic but was still eating so I brought her to the vet and she's diagnosed with pneumonia and vet wants me to take good care of her but I thought with my previous success of caring for Ruffy who had URI this should be easy but the next day Buffy was wheezing very loudly and is squealing in pain, it really pains me and I rushed her back to the vet where she crashed she moment they look at her and I even got them to resuscitate her but :no: so I lost Buffy on 31/8 and shortly I had to put Ruffy down on 17/9

I am really devastated and I am worried sick as I only have Miffy and Paffy left. I'm so Friggin worried that bad things will start happening to them. So like a mad woman I'm always by their cage spying on their every move just to make sure they are fine. I've disinfected their cage with bleach and till now I am praying that I won't lose the last two. They are not like Buffy and Ruffy who have "issues" from the start but I'm just worried.

In the past when my previous batches of piggies passed on I thought it was torturous to have to live with the guilt of not paying enough attention to them but now I know the worst pain is when u did all you can but you are still not able to keep them by your side.

I'm feeling like crap now. Can anyone tell me what's happening please? I'm so lost and the vet says they can't tell if there's a virus attack but I'm just very depressed now :(

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Your girls are so pretty. I am so sorry for your losses. You are welcome to post a tribute to them on the rainbow bridge thread. Please do not blame yourself. Sadly, many piggies from breeders and pet shops do have health problems. I will tag @helen105281 who will be able to give you health advice.
 
Your girls are so pretty. I am so sorry for your losses. You are welcome to post a tribute to them on the rainbow bridge thread. Please do not blame yourself. Sadly, many piggies from breeders and pet shops do have health problems. I will tag @helen105281 who will be able to give you health advice.
Thank you dearie. I can't sleep it's like when I hear sounds from the cage I will jump out of my bed and rush to the cage to see if they are ok? I think I'm really depressed. I really can't afford to lose them. They aee really dear to me. I was even suicidal from the first death. I may seem to be crazy by yall but I really have no idea why I love my pigs so much. Old but acting like a kid. Goshh
 
Thank you dearie. I can't sleep it's like when I hear sounds from the cage I will jump out of my bed and rush to the cage to see if they are ok? I think I'm really depressed. I really can't afford to lose them. They aee really dear to me. I was even suicidal from the first death. I may seem to be crazy by yall but I really have no idea why I love my pigs so much. Old but acting like a kid. Goshh
You are just a loving and caring mum to your girls. It must be hard being in Singapore as I imagine vets are not so knowledgeable in guinea pigs. One thing that is worth remembering, if you were to end your life then who would look after your girls? They need you to care for them and love them. I hope you can see a doctor to get support for your depression.
 
You are just a loving and caring mum to your girls. It must be hard being in Singapore as I imagine vets are not so knowledgeable in guinea pigs. One thing that is worth remembering, if you were to end your life then who would look after your girls? They need you to care for them and love them. I hope you can see a doctor to get support for your depression.

Yea I thought about that I know it's silly to do that and guess it's just on the spur of the moment. Yea I don't think there's any vets that specializes in small animals here sigh so I hope to get help here cause I'm really helpless and freaking out
 
Hi! I really feel for you; it is so hard when you lose several piggies in quick succession. Your four girls are very gorgeous, and your piggy cage must feel so empty!

I have lost six of mine so far this year; the first two within a week of each other right at the beginning of this year. None of which I have been able to brace for; neither of them were particularly old and they died from unrelated issues. But it has really shaken me badly and I have been feeling very despondent at times, especially whenever yet another of my older piggies started to go downhill or had to be put to sleep because it was in major discomfort... What you are going through is very normal for your situation!

It looks very much like Ruffy's ear infection caused problems with the balance centre but went further into the head. As it has come on the heels of another major infection, she was already below par. You have done what you could, and you have certainly not failed her!

Buffy sounds like she had "walking pneumonia", i.e. a fuly developed pneumonia without any other symptoms. It usually needs very strong antibiotics, diuretics etc. and even then, it can be very much a toss up whether she makes it even with the best of medical and home care.

As two of your girls have suffered from respiratory problems, there is unfortunately a chance that you are dealing with a bug that is making the rounds. Please don't give up; hopefully, your two big girls are fighting fit enough to not come down with any problems. See a vet as soon as you notice crusty eyes or raspy breathing. Our medical specialists will also help you with recommendations as to what additional medications to ask your vet for and what you can do at home; they monitor the health/illness section.

Bleach will not disinfect your cage appropriately. Can you find F10 disinfectant online? It is a vet strength antibacterial and antifungal disinfectant that is available in many countries. If not, virkon would be your second option; that is also being sold worldwide.

I would also recommend that you give your remaining girls some extra vitamin C to help strengthen their immune system.
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/...vitamin-c-overview-with-product-links.115404/

PS: just seen that you have added your country; thanks!
 
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Hi! I really feel for you; it is so hard when you lose several piggies in quick succession. Your four girls are very gorgeous, and your piggy cage must feel so empty!

I have lost six of mine so far this year; the first two within a week of each other right at the beginning of this year. None of which I have been able to brace for; neither of them were particularly old and to unrelated issues. But it has really shaken me badly and I have been feeling very despondent at times, especially whenever yet another of my older piggies started to go downhill or had to be put to sleep because it was in major discomfort... What you are going through is very normal for your situation!

It looks very much like Ruffy's ear infection caused problems with the balance centre but went further into the head. As it has come on the heels of another major infection, she was already below par. You have done what you could, and you have certainly not failed her!

Buffy sounds like she had "walking pneumonia", i.e. a fuly developed pneumonia without any other symptoms. It usually needs very strong antibiotics, diuretics etc. and even then, it can be very much a toss up whether she makes it even with the best of medical and home care.

As two of your girls have suffered from respiratory problems, there is unfortunately a chance that you are dealing with a bug that is making the rounds. Please don't give up; hopefully, your two big girls are fighting fit enough to not come down with any problems. See a vet as soon as you notice crusty eyes or raspy breathing. our specialists will also help you with recommendations as to what additional medications to ask your vet for and what you can do at home.

Bleach will not disinfect your cage appropriately. Can you find F10 disinfectant online? It is a vet strength antibacterial and antifungal disinfectant that is available in many countries. If not virkon would be your second option; that is also being sold worldwide.

I would also recommend that you give your remaining girls some extra vitamin C to help strengthen their immune system.
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/...vitamin-c-overview-with-product-links.115404/

PS: just seen that you have added your country; thanks!
I'm so very sorry for your loss dear. It's really shameful that I've only lost two and acting like my whole world has collapsed. It's 5am in Singapore now and I can't sleep, freaking out at the slightest noise coming from yea the empty cage :(

Yea I'm not giving up but I'm just worried sick now and I'll go grab a couple of F10 to disinfect. not sure if this makes any difference but Ruffys URI was early May and Buffy had Pneumonia late Aug. So the bug can still be around? :( I've some baytril on hand now, just in case.

And yes I'm giving them Oxbow pellets, Oxbow hay, Oxbow papaya fruit tablet once a week, vit c daily and vege for dinner daily. I occasionally give some benebac to them too. Does that sound ok?
 
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Hi! I really feel for you; it is so hard when you lose several piggies in quick succession. Your four girls are very gorgeous, and your piggy cage must feel so empty!

I have lost six of mine so far this year; the first two within a week of each other right at the beginning of this year. None of which I have been able to brace for; neither of them were particularly old and they died from unrelated issues. But it has really shaken me badly and I have been feeling very despondent at times, especially whenever yet another of my older piggies started to go downhill or had to be put to sleep because it was in major discomfort... What you are going through is very normal for your situation!

It looks very much like Ruffy's ear infection caused problems with the balance centre but went further into the head. As it has come on the heels of another major infection, she was already below par. You have done what you could, and you have certainly not failed her!

Buffy sounds like she had "walking pneumonia", i.e. a fuly developed pneumonia without any other symptoms. It usually needs very strong antibiotics, diuretics etc. and even then, it can be very much a toss up whether she makes it even with the best of medical and home care.

As two of your girls have suffered from respiratory problems, there is unfortunately a chance that you are dealing with a bug that is making the rounds. Please don't give up; hopefully, your two big girls are fighting fit enough to not come down with any problems. See a vet as soon as you notice crusty eyes or raspy breathing. Our medical specialists will also help you with recommendations as to what additional medications to ask your vet for and what you can do at home; they monitor the health/illness section.

Bleach will not disinfect your cage appropriately. Can you find F10 disinfectant online? It is a vet strength antibacterial and antifungal disinfectant that is available in many countries. If not, virkon would be your second option; that is also being sold worldwide.

I would also recommend that you give your remaining girls some extra vitamin C to help strengthen their immune system.
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/...vitamin-c-overview-with-product-links.115404/

PS: just seen that you have added your country; thanks!

Is this the one?
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I'm so very sorry for your loss dear. It's really shameful that I've only lost two and acting like my whole world has collapsed. It's 5am in Singapore now and I can't sleep, freaking out at the slightest noise coming from yea the empty cage :(

Yea I'm not giving up but I'm just worried sick now and I'll go grab a couple of F10 to disinfect. And yes I'm giving them Oxbow pellets, Oxbow hay, Oxbow papaya fruit tablet once a week, vit c daily and vege for dinner daily. I occasionally give some benebac to them too. Does that sound ok?

That sounds fine! You may also want to get some F10 hand gel; it is also good for human bugs. ;)

It is very difficult not to panic because you are so shaken right now and you haven't been able to work through your emotions yet. Your world has indeed literally collapsed, losing two of your beloved girls so close to each other! Whether I have lost more piggies than you is totally irrelevant when it comes to your own feelings. They are not any less valid! Compared to you, I have only lost a quarter of my piggies (and most of them were elderly, so were not completely unexpected) - you have lost half of your girls! :yikes:

Despite knowing that I have done my very best in each case, I have still felt like a loser... and fretting about which one would be the next to go. Believe me, I have been rushing to the vets soon after the loss of a piggy in fear that another one had similar symptoms! It has nothing to do with how experienced you are; it is simply how we humans are wired. :mal:

Unfortunately, only time can heal your apprehension in the degree that your remaining girls stay healthy and well. It is not much of a consolation, but feeling inadequate or looking for ways you could have done better is actually the start of your grieving process. Anybody who cares about a beloved pet or child goes through the same. :(

I have found these links for places that can help you deal with your pet bereavement issues in Singapore if you feel that you would like properly trained, free support:
http://www.alliancecounselling.com.sg/grief-therapy/
http://www.aplb.org/
 
Hi Mneo, i am sorry you lost 2 of your piggies but sometimes things are just out of our hands you did all you could and you should be proud that you really cared for them, i'm guessing that they come into your life because of that very reason that you would do all you could when the time come ....enjoy the remaining 2 don't let what has happened spoil this by worrying about something that may never happen your a good person ...keep smiling :D
 
I am so so sorry for your losses. It really affects me when I lose one of my animals too :( I have lost at least 3 of mine to Walking Pneumonia over the years and it really does strike out of the blue. It is also known as Atypical Pneumonia.

Wiebke has covered everything I needed to say but should your 2 girls present with any similar symptoms please post and I can help you with what to ask your vet for.
 
so very sorry for your losses. i think we can all relate to how devastating it is to lose them. :( it is heartbreaking. sending you massive hugs x
 
I'm really sorry for your recent sad losses. It hits you even harder when you've done your best to help them but they still pass away. I have been devastated every time one of mine has passed away & it does not get easier. R.I.P. Buffy & Ruffy & hugs to you xx
 
That sounds fine! You may also want to get some F10 hand gel; it is also good for human bugs. ;)

It is very difficult not to panic because you are so shaken right now and you haven't been able to work through your emotions yet. Your world has indeed literally collapsed, losing two of your beloved girls so close to each other! Whether I have lost more piggies than you is totally irrelevant when it comes to your own feelings. They are not any less valid! Compared to you, I have only lost a quarter of my piggies (and most of them were elderly, so were not completely unexpected) - you have lost half of your girls! :yikes:

Despite knowing that I have done my very best in each case, I have still felt like a loser... and fretting about which one would be the next to go. Believe me, I have been rushing to the vets soon after the loss of a piggy in fear that another one had similar symptoms! It has nothing to do with how experienced you are; it is simply how we humans are wired. :mal:

Unfortunately, only time can heal your apprehension in the degree that your remaining girls stay healthy and well. It is not much of a consolation, but feeling inadequate or looking for ways you could have done better is actually the start of your grieving process. Anybody who cares about a beloved pet or child goes through the same. :(

I have found these links for places that can help you deal with your pet bereavement issues in Singapore if you feel that you would like properly trained, free support:
http://www.alliancecounselling.com.sg/grief-therapy/
http://www.aplb.org/

Sigh yes I felt like a complete loser too. Especially so when the vets and nurses all recognize you as your pets keep dying there :(

Yup I'm just waiting for time to take the pain away but really I do not wish to lose the other two now so yes I need to get hold of the disinfectants plus moniter them closely.

Is there like a waiting period like within 2 or 3 weeks if none shows sign of anything it means the virus is not lurking somewhere out there

Thank you for the links and support, I hope to be able pull myself together soon
 
I am very sorry for your loss and troubles. I do hope things start to settle down. Sending healing vibes your way x

Hey girl thank you and yes please I need a lot of healing vibes and things to settle down fast :)

Hi Mneo, i am sorry you lost 2 of your piggies but sometimes things are just out of our hands you did all you could and you should be proud that you really cared for them, i'm guessing that they come into your life because of that very reason that you would do all you could when the time come ....enjoy the remaining 2 don't let what has happened spoil this by worrying about something that may never happen your a good person ...keep smiling :D

Hi piggielittle, thank you and I agree with you but I guess life is just unfair and yes I will try not to be pessimistic and dwell over my current plight just keep prayin that they will stay healthy!

I am so so sorry for your losses. It really affects me when I lose one of my animals too :( I have lost at least 3 of mine to Walking Pneumonia over the years and it really does strike out of the blue. It is also known as Atypical Pneumonia.

Wiebke has covered everything I needed to say but should your 2 girls present with any similar symptoms please post and I can help you with what to ask your vet for.

Hi Helen105281 that's unfortunately what we have to go through even we know we've given our very best :( I hope this plague will stop taking our babies away from us! And yes they are under very close supervision by me and I pray I won't notice anything out of the ordinary. Freaking scares the daylight out of me boy.

so very sorry for your losses. i think we can all relate to how devastating it is to lose them. :( it is heartbreaking. sending you massive hugs x

Hi Biscandmatt, thank you and I really appreciate all of you and being around like minded people here as at work my boss was being very insensitive about what I'm going through now. They just don't understand pets are like our family.

I'm really sorry for your recent sad losses. It hits you even harder when you've done your best to help them but they still pass away. I have been devastated every time one of mine has passed away & it does not get easier. R.I.P. Buffy & Ruffy & hugs to you xx

Hi stewybus thank you and yes I didnt know there can be anything worse then living with the guilt of neglect. Lets pray that all piggies will always be in their pink for as long as they may live :)
 
Sigh yes I felt like a complete loser too. Especially so when the vets and nurses all recognize you as your pets keep dying there :(

Yup I'm just waiting for time to take the pain away but really I do not wish to lose the other two now so yes I need to get hold of the disinfectants plus moniter them closely.

Is there like a waiting period like within 2 or 3 weeks if none shows sign of anything it means the virus is not lurking somewhere out there

Thank you for the links and support, I hope to be able pull myself together soon

If it is a plain URI, two to three weeks should do the trick. That is the normal quarantining period. You were just very, very unlucky and what happened was not your fault at all, but it is very difficult for you to accept as you ARE such a good and responsible mommy! How long have you had your little girls for?
Healthy piggies usually have an immune system that can deal with URI bacteria. It generally needs an otherwise impacted immune system for them to take hold. In the second case, the stress of having lost her companion on top of having an underlying problem already could have caused them to take over. The outlook for your two fit girls is actually pretty good, but of course, you want to make sure!

Your vet people also know you as a very caring and loving owner; believe me, they can tell the difference! They know that bad stuff can happen to the nicest of people and most wonderful of pets. :(
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/importance-of-quarantine.108034/

If you find it difficult to cope (including ongoing sleeping problems), please seek professional help via the links I have given you in an earlier post. Pet bereavement is a serious condition and recognised as such. It is not something that you should shrug away if you find that it affects your life and wellbeing for any length of time.
 
If it is a plain URI, two to three weeks should do the trick. that is the normal quarantining period. You were just very, very unlucky and what happened was not your fault at all. Your vet people also know you as a very caring and loving mommy, believe, they can tell the difference! ;)
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/threads/importance-of-quarantine.108034/

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Okok ill read up on that and can I safely say if in the next 3 weeks they are good they should be fine. And should they be down unfortunately after the quarantining period, whatever thats causing it is independent of what happened before?

Really appreciate yall for the kind advice! :)
 
I've lost 2 boys this year and it's been really horrible, especially since my pig George has had to go through it too and I'm always just trying to do what's best for him. I've been to the vet so many times I'm paranoid that they are judging me! But don't blame yourself, small animals get sick very easily. I've had lumps and bumps, bites, uri's and uti's, missing toes and parasites all just this year. (It's been a particularly awful and unlucky year)
 
I've lost 2 boys this year and it's been really horrible, especially since my pig George has had to go through it too and I'm always just trying to do what's best for him. I've been to the vet so many times I'm paranoid that they are judging me! But don't blame yourself, small animals get sick very easily. I've had lumps and bumps, bites, uri's and uti's, missing toes and parasites all just this year. (It's been a particularly awful and unlucky year)

Dear Gwinnypiggylove, I'm also terribly sorry about your loss but currently do u have any others to care for? Yes I'm paranoid, like whenever I'm in the clinic, they seem to have the "why are her piggies dying again" look :( I dont mean to be insensitive and I apologise if I come across as being offensive, but its really comforting to know that I'm not the only one on the face of earth going thru all these. As I dont have other piggy owners to talk to in singapore and the forums are generally inactive, I really really appreciate yall from the bottom of my heart. (:

Talking about unlucky, I try not to let it become a self fulfilling prophecy as ive been unlucky at work too! I really didnt expect it to affect my personal life too :(

But this will surely all end now and its time for us to embrace the luck thats gonna come :)
 
Dear Gwinnypiggylove, I'm also terribly sorry about your loss but currently do you have any others to care for? Yes I'm paranoid, like whenever I'm in the clinic, they seem to have the "why are her piggies dying again" look :( I dont mean to be insensitive and I apologise if I come across as being offensive, but its really comforting to know that I'm not the only one on the face of earth going thru all these. As I dont have other piggy owners to talk to in singapore and the forums are generally inactive, I really really appreciate yall from the bottom of my heart. (:

Talking about unlucky, I try not to let it become a self fulfilling prophecy as ive been unlucky at work too! I really didnt expect it to affect my personal life too :(

But this will surely all end now and its time for us to embrace the luck thats gonna come :)

I still have George who's had to put up with his friends dying and I now have a new boy called Turnip. But bad luck continued as they don't get on and I had to build a whole new cage so they are separate and now Turnip isn't well. I hope he'll be fine but it's just another stress. Yeah, I just keep thinking that it's going to get better because bad luck can't go on forever :luv:
 
I still have George who's had to put up with his friends dying and I now have a new boy called Turnip. But bad luck continued as they don't get on and I had to build a whole new cage so they are separate and now Turnip isn't well. I hope he'll be fine but it's just another stress. Yeah, I just keep thinking that it's going to get better because bad luck can't go on forever :luv:

Oh dear seems like we are going through the same stuff as my two girls miffy n paffy dont seem to get along too well but at least they dont fight each other and only occasional irritation and fighting over the same bottle though ive spare ones for them but theyre still living together.

And I believe thats only the initial period that they dont get along. With all the time and patience we have, George and Turnip will be able to live together in no time and yes how more unlucky can we get right? Its time things start to fall into place!

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Your girls are very beautiful :) I definitely think my boys will be together at some point in the future!
 
Your girls are very beautiful :) I definitely think my boys will be together at some point in the future!
Yeap! Lets not stop believing in them and ourselves! Is George the one in your avatar? Looks like a cute lil sheep :p
 
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