HELP PLEASE! non stop mounting all day!

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I thought my boys had clearly decided who was dominant, Smokey had def made it known he was, but today Buddy has not stopped, literally not stopped mounting him, what is going on? has the bond failed? should i separate them? surely its not good for Smokey Joe to be incessantly mounted like this? Also, there is a VERY unpleasant smell coming from the cage and i never had that before, I'm so confused, feel at the end of my wit:no:
 
Please do leave them to it while it is just mild dominance.
Mounting is very normal as is the smell - boars really are a delight! It will take them two weeks to sort out their relationship, plus Buddy will soon be experiencing plenty of hormones.
 
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Welcome to testosterone stink and teenage and young adults hormone spikes. If needed, put a divider in and give Buddy overnight to settle down.

BUT - do this only if the mounting is so persistent that Smokey Joe can literally not eat, drink or sleep unmolested and is showing clear signs of being stress or fed up. Otherwise it is better to not interfere. It will settle down again within a day or two.

Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?

PS: As a lot of the testosterone comes with the pee spraying, you get that also in neutered boars...
 
Wiebke said:
Hi

Welcome to testosterone stink and teenage and young adults hormone spikes. If needed, put a divider in and give Buddy overnight to settle down.

BUT - do this only if the mounting is so persistent that Smokey Joe can literally not eat, drink or sleep unmolested and is showing clear signs of being stress or fed up. Otherwise it is better to not interfere. It will settle down again within a day or two.

Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?

PS: As a lot of the testosterone comes with the pee spraying, you get that also in neutered boars...
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i thought i was testosterone from memory, so buddy is not three years old the as the rescue said? mine went through this at about 6 - 8 months? it is stopping Smokey resting and eating, i dont think this is going to work as i specifically said i wanted a piggy that was over puberty, to stop this very thing from happening!
 
Piggies&buns said:
Please do leave them to it while it is just mild dominance.
Mounting is very normal as is the smell - boars really are a delight! It will take them two weeks to sort out their relationship, plus Buddy will soon be experiencing plenty of hormones.
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its not mild sadly, it verging on aggression, buddy just wont quit, smokey is very distressed, he is squeaking the submission squeak but buddy just wont stop, he should be over the hormones if he is the age i was told he was, i dont think i can let it go on x
 
Adults get hormones spikes as well. My own boar pair are 4 years old and each spring my dominant boy turns into a nightmare for a few days.

If it is so excessive he cannot rest or eat, then it’s possible things aren’t working out.

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chill said:
i thought i was testosterone from memory, so buddy is not three years old the as the rescue said? mine went through this at about 6 - 8 months? it is stopping Smokey resting and eating, i dont think this is going to work as i specifically said i wanted a piggy that was over puberty, to stop this very thing from happening!
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No, the odd hormone spike can affect boars at that age - even neutered boars in the prime of their lives at this time of year. In their wild ancestor species, this is the time of year when the breeding season during the best grass growth until autumn would have started. While domestic farm/pet piggies can breed at any time, the old instincts are still there. Buddy is currently in the prime of life (i.e. the best age for finding favour with the girls) and has just recently become the leader of his own group, so these half-buried instincts have come to the fore with him. It won't destablise the bond if Smokey is OK with it.
 
Wiebke said:
No, the odd hormone spike can affect boars at that age - even neutered boars in the prime of their lives at this time of year. In their wild ancestor species, this is the time of year when the breeding season during the best grass growth until autumn would have started. While domestic farm/pet piggies can breed at any time, the old instincts are still there. Buddy is currently in the prime of life (i.e. the best age for finding favour with the girls) and has just recently become the leader of his own group, so these half-buried instincts have come to the fore with him. It won't destablise the bond if Smokey is OK with it.
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He is really not ok. He is exasperated, can't get a second to rest. I have called it and separated them for the night I'm afraid. Thanks so much for all your help x
 
chill said:
He is really not ok. He is exasperated, can't get a second to rest. I have called it and separated them for the night I'm afraid. Thanks so much for all your help x
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That's OK. Just remember to re-introduce them again in two days on neutral ground. They should be fine then.
You are the second adult boar hormones poster this week, and no doubt will we get a few more in the coming weeks, like every spring... :(
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics

It should be just a mad one-off that late in life. From about four years onward the testosterone is starting to gradually fizzle down and out.
 
Wiebke said:
That's OK. Just remember to re-introduce them again in two days on neutral ground. They should be fine then.
You are the second adult boar hormones poster this week, and no doubt will we get a few more in the coming weeks, like every spring... :(
Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated social behaviours and bonding dynamics

It should be just a mad one-off that late in life. From about four years onward the testosterone is starting to gradually fizzle down and out.
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The thing is I don't think he is that late in life. From his nails and his body shape I think he is much younger. That just is not fair on smokey joe to have that every year. Don't know what to do really. Smokey is such a gentle pig, he can't take it, he was so upset tonight, curled up and went straight to sleep in my dressing gown! Clearly felt safe snuggled into me!
 
chill said:
The thing is I don't think he is that late in life. From his nails and his body shape I think he is much younger. That just is not fair on smokey joe to have that every year. Don't know what to do really. Smokey is such a gentle pig, he can't take it, he was so upset tonight, curled up and went straight to sleep in my dressing gown! Clearly felt safe snuggled into me!
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I most strongly doubt that you are going to see an annual repeat because a fair bit of the over-reaction was actually due to the new bond. By next year, your boy will be roughly a decade older in piggy life terms.

If you are REALLY not happy, then please ask the rescue whether the age is their estimation or the age he was given by the owner when surrendered.
 
Wiebke said:
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I most strongly doubt that you are going to see an annual repeat because a fair bit of the over-reaction was actually due to the new bond. By next year, your boy will be roughly a decade older in piggy life terms.

If you are REALLY not happy, then please ask the rescue whether the age is their estimation or the age he was given by the owner when surrendered.
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Is strange you should say that because I emailed her yesterday to ask that very question, I really do think Buddy is much younger than 3, and she said that the owners could not remember so she estimated, but I think it's way off. No sleep at all last night through worry about what to do.
 
Sounds like you did the right thing separating them for a while. Hope the reintroduction goes ok in a day or two 🤞
 
I hope the reintroduction goes well. I had this problem with my boys Ronnie and Stanley. It lasted a day and they were fine thereafter and they have been best buddies ever since. I was stressed out to the max so understand how you are feeling. Good luck
 
chill said:
Is strange you should say that because I emailed her yesterday to ask that very question, I really do think Buddy is much younger than 3, and she said that the owners could not remember so she estimated, but I think it's way off. No sleep at all last night through worry about what to do.
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He should be at least adult so this is much more likely very much a one-off overload. Just give them a couple of days with a divider and then introduce formally on neutral ground. You should know very quickly whether they will go back together or not and can then take it from there. ;)
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UPDATE........so, i was was so exhausted and upset on friday night at having to split up Buddy and Smokey Joe when i thought i was all going to well that i had decided that reintroduction was futile, and i just cannot say how grateful i am to two lovely ladies who have come to my rescue, Helen at @The Potteries Guinea Pig Rescue was incredibly helpful and kind and put me in touch with Reta at Coseley GPR who has been equally amazing and had agreed to take buddy and have him nuetered and find him a lady friend. However, this morning i remembered who i am, i am not someone who gives up on animals, i am not someone who does that, so, i spent a very long time sat in my floor time ball pit with buddy, getting to know him, allowing him to get to know me, making sure he knew i was a trustworthy human, as i dont think he has had much experience of those, and we agreed that he would like to see Smokey Joe again, so i cleaned the ball pit and put fresh pads in and reintroduced them......and.......they were so happy to see each other and are currently curled up in a ball together in the cage! I just hope it lasts, Reta thinks he is 12 to 18 months and i agree having had chance to have a good look, so hopefully puberty will not cause too many problems. I think the poor little mite has just had a rough start and needed time to settle and know he was in a good place, i just hope the testosterone does not spike again and cause problems. I can honestly say i do not know what i would have done over the past two weeks without this forum and the kindness of the 2 rescues i have been speaking with, I hope i can return that kindness here some day. Please keep all your fingers crossed that things dont break down again! x
 
chill said:
UPDATE........so, i was was so exhausted and upset on friday night at having to split up Buddy and Smokey Joe when i thought i was all going to well that i had decided that reintroduction was futile, and i just cannot say how grateful i am to two lovely ladies who have come to my rescue, Helen at @The Potteries Guinea Pig Rescue was incredibly helpful and kind and put me in touch with Reta at Coseley GPR who has been equally amazing and had agreed to take buddy and have him nuetered and find him a lady friend. However, this morning i remembered who i am, i am not someone who gives up on animals, i am not someone who does that, so, i spent a very long time sat in my floor time ball pit with buddy, getting to know him, allowing him to get to know me, making sure he knew i was a trustworthy human, as i dont think he has had much experience of those, and we agreed that he would like to see Smokey Joe again, so i cleaned the ball pit and put fresh pads in and reintroduced them......and.......they were so happy to see each other and are currently curled up in a ball together in the cage! I just hope it lasts, Reta thinks he is 12 to 18 months and i agree having had chance to have a good look, so hopefully puberty will not cause too many problems. I think the poor little mite has just had a rough start and needed time to settle and know he was in a good place, i just hope the testosterone does not spike again and cause problems. I can honestly say i do not know what i would have done over the past two weeks without this forum and the kindness of the 2 rescues i have been speaking with, I hope i can return that kindness here some day. Please keep all your fingers crossed that things dont break down again! x
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If they are happy to see each other, then they are happy to be with each other again.
It was just one-off spring hormones hitting a newly bonded boy coming out of teenage, and the two boys have seen it as that. I can only repeated that you won't ever experience anything like this again.
 
Wiebke said:
If they are happy to see each other, then they are happy to be with each other again.
It was just one-off spring hormones hitting a newly bonded boy coming out of teenage, and the two boys have seen it as that. I can only repeated that you won't ever experience anything like this again.
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Thank you, i hope not. He is a sweet little chap!
 
chill said:
Thank you, i hope not. He is a sweet little chap!
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There will be no repeat because it was a one-off combination of two factors, neither of which is going to repeat. By next Spring, Buddy will be fully adult with noticeably lower testosterone levels and he and Smokey Joe will be fully and firmly bonded. There will be no fall-outs because there is no aggression between the pair of them, and there hasn't at any stage. Unlike you, Smokey Joe knew that Buddy was just over the top and couldn't help himself.

Buddy is not a bully; he just lost the on-switch for his brain for a couple of days when the gonads took over - we see that regularly with young, newly neutered boars when they meet sows for the first time or in some adult boars meeting a baby boar. It usually settles within a couple of days to an acceptable level.

All that Buddy needed was some time-out for his hormone surge to die down and his brain coming back online again. ;)

So please stop worrying and enjoy your two boys becoming best of mates. The joined experience has actually served to bond them more firmly.
 
Wiebke said:
There will be no repeat because it was a one-off combination of two factors, neither of which is going to repeat. By next Spring, Buddy will be fully adult with noticeably lower testosterone levels and he and Smokey Joe will be fully and firmly bonded. There will be no fall-outs because there is no aggression between the pair of them, and there hasn't at any stage. Unlike you, Smokey Joe knew that Buddy was just over the top and couldn't help himself.

Buddy is not a bully; he just lost the on-switch for his brain for a couple of days when the gonads took over - we see that regularly with young, newly neutered boars when they meet sows for the first time or in some adult boars meeting a baby boar. It usually settles within a couple of days to an acceptable level.

All that Buddy needed was the time for his hormone surge to die down and his brain coming back online again. ;)

So please stop worrying and enjoy your two boys becoming best of mates. The joined experience has actually served to bond them more firmly.
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oh goodness, i never thought for one minute that Buddy was a bully, Smokey Joe had just clearly had enough on friday when i separated them. I am loving seeing the two of them together now and i am so glad i did not give up. My brain goes offline quite regularly! i have GAD and PTSD and so i know what it is like to know something yet your brain tells you something else! Thank you for your support, animals mean the world to me xx
 
I’m so pleased you gave them another go at friendship. I really hope they realise it very nearly went awry. Good luck. ❤️
 
Well i tried. very hard. I follwed all the advice to the letter but i have had to separate them as things took a turn very much for the worse last night, exactly like before, huge testosterone smell and buddy just would not leave smokey joe alone, even though smokey joe was licking buddys eyes and ears to tell him he like him and submitting buddy was constantly chasing and vigorously mounting him, blocking the water, stopping him eating, i gave it as long as i could for it to run its course but the chattering started to get very intense and i could see smokey joe had had enough. I am going to coseley rescue today with buddy, Reta has been so incredibly helpful and i know she will find the right match for Buddy so its best for him. She has a placid older boar who is also bereaved so i am going to bring him home and try and bond him with smokey joe over the weekend, starting in a divided cage, which was not done at the last "rescue" i went to. I will do all i can to make the next bond successful. We collected little Gizmos ashes yesterday and are planting a lavender bush with them this afternoon. What an emotional day.
 
Sorry to hear it hasn't worked out. I think you are doing the right thing.
 
I’m so sorry it didn’t work out. Buddy will find the perfect friend and so will Smokey Joe.
 
I am very sorry that things have not worked our for the two and that the hormones got seriously in the way. :(
 
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