Lost our sweet Olivia this morning, trying to process it all

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Apologies everyone, this will likely be a long post.
As some of you might know from this thread me and @MartiDavi lost our sweet Olivia this morning, we had to put her to sleep after 4 incredibly challenging days of an uphill battle against bladder pain and her not getting enough food, which left us this morning with no other choice.

Both me and Martina had something like 6 hours of sleep in total in the last 2 days, on top of the worrying and all the crying we've done, even before losing Olivia this morning.
Martina has now been sleeping for a few hours bless her, I on the other end have laid down and tried, but too many images and thoughts come into my mind and haven't closed eyes because of them.

I realize now that unfortunately there's been a lot of events to process and I just didn't have a chance, since I spent the last 4 days living minute by minute looking after Olivia, so I thought it would be beneficial for me to just tell a bit of the story of the last 2-3 weeks, it can help my brain process the events and I could get some much needed answers on some of the things that have happened.

A little premise: Olivia showed first signs of crying when urinating I think around 1.5 years ago I think. She had an amazing vet at the time, who performed all possible tests (urine test, xrays, even ultrasound) and ruled out basically everything, leaving only a sterile cystitis as the source of the crying. She was put on Gabapentin twice a day ongoing. This vet at the time said it was likely she would have been on gabapentin her entire life, but that the medication was very safe and well received.
Eventually we thought the approach was successfull as Olivia stopped crying completely for a long time, don't remember exactly how long but probably close to a year.

Fast forward to 2 weeks ago: me and Martina came back from a holiday finding Olivia had lost a lot of weight. We think she might have not have enough food from the boarder so we start support critical care. At this point Olivia is eating normally and she starts putting up a bit of weight again.
After 3 days, we see her crying and peeing blood, deep red viscous blood. We rush her to her exotic vet (a new one she's been seeing for a year or so, as her previous one left), who did an xray and says there were no stones but "tiny crystals of calcium" in the bladder. Olivia also peed some blood clots, which was very scary to us but the vet did not consider this a big red flag.
He gives Olivia some Metacam to take on top of the gabapentin, and says that Olivia should pass these crystals with urine and with the help of the painkiller, and that the metacam should reduce the inflammation in the bladder.

Around 10 days ago: after a few days of the treatment and ongoing support syringe food, Olivia stops bleeding completely and regains all her weight from before our holiday. We go to a checkup with the same vet and he tells us the bladder is now softer and 3 times smaller than a week before. The inflammation has reduced drastically.

Exactly a week ago, on the evening of Thursday April 2nd, we see Olivia pee blood again. Me and Martina have a flight booked for the next day to spend the Easter break with our families in Italy. We've been told the bleeding was part of the process of her passing the crystals, but I don't like the fact that she was doing fine and suddenly there's blood again. This happens 30 minutes before the pet boarder arrives to pick the girls up. In that short timeframe, I decide not to go to Italy the next morning, to keep Olivia and Ginny with me and to try to book an appointment with the vet on the next day to have her checked.

On Friday April 3rd (good friday) our vet was open and working regularly, they manage to get me an appointment. I bring Olivia and she gets another x-ray. Her usual vet is on paternity so there's another exotic vet examining her. After looking at the xray I am told that Olivia's situation is stable, the xray doesn't show changes since the previous one and that the episode the evening before did not represent anything not in line with the other vet's assessment, so to continue the treatment and go ahead with the plan.

With all my family waiting for me for Easter, and reassured by the vet checkup and second x-ray, I decide to fly to Italy on Sunday 5th. The pet boarder picks the girls up on Saturday lunch time.

On Sunday the 5th the only flight I could get was an exhausting 5am with connection, and delayed by an hour, so I arrive in Rome around 2pm. As soon as I arrive I get a call from the pet boarder who weighted Olivia and she lost 100 grams since I left her less than 48 hours before. I ask her to step in with full dose of critical care, but the pet boarder tells me she's away from home the entire day and will be back at dinner time (I'm not gonna play the game of blaming her, but knowing very well that Olivia needed extra attention, this was full on irresponsible. She should have at least told me that she had such plans of leaving her unattended for that long).

I don't like the sound of it all and start looking for the earliest flight I can book to run back to Birmingham UK asap, and I'm home again on Monday the 6th after lunchtime. The pet boarder brings the girls back to me at 4, and that's where it became very challenging. Olivia is not herself but not full on lethargic, I start doing critical care, then I see her poos are very soft and mushy. I go on the forum and I read that this means she didn't have enough hay/fibres in the last 48 hours, so I keep going with the critical care, but Olivia is not collaborating much and we end up doing I think around maybe 20ml in a day? At this point she's still eating but I only give her the occasional small piece of parsley/lettuce to stimulate her appetite. Martina is still in Italy so I end up feeding her around the clock with 2-3 hours of sleep in 1 hour chuncks. My tiredness definitely doesn't help.

On the morning of Tuesday the 7th I rush her to the vet. Same vet she had seen 3 days earlier. He tells me the bladder is now hard and big again, so the inflammation is back. He proposes a Buprelieve opioid injection, alongside fluids and an anti-nausea drug injection that should act as an appetite stimulant. Olivia is not in gut stasis. The plan is to ease the pain with the opioid and get her to eat/drink again on her own (plus cc), but it goes very wrong as Olivia is completely knocked out by the opioid, she is just extremely sleepy (but not in pain).
I can barely feed her anything, until Martina comes back around 6pm and we start taking turns. Martina is shocked by the state Olivia is in, again I am positive this was still drowsiness from the opioid and the pain had not kicked in yet.

We got to the vet again the next day (yesterday). The vet says the situation is challenging but Olivia is not in gut stasis, and she's still able to swallow. He proposes another buprelieve injection, but we explain how badly she took it the previous day and opt for an oral opioid instead. From this point, it went completely downhill, no effect from the painkiller and we were left this morning with the only option to let her go.

If you had the patience of reading through everything, I can only give you the biggest thanks I can :)
Each one of the moments I recalled here riddles me with guilt, with things that could have been done differently, with mine and other player's responsabilities in the turn that things took.
Please understand for the last 4 days my life has been minute by minute looking after Olivia, sitting on the floor in front of the cage. I had barely any sleep or food, I had only one goal which was to get her to swallow the next drug or critical care. This on top of reorganizing my trip at the last minute, only to decide to cut it even shorter once I arrived.
I did get one good day with my family in Italy on Sunday and I'm thankful for that, don't get me wrong.
But now that the fight is over and I am dealing with the emptiness that Olivia left, my brain has got plenty of ammonitions to target me.
 
No apologies for the post needed
My word @Davide I have been following your other thread and it is a heartbreaking story we always want more time with those we love so deeply and that's why it's hurts so much my Nonna always said it's the price we pay for the love we share with them
A very wise person on here, we all know who, always says it is in our nature as caring people to question everything after we lose them and it hurts not having all of the answers but Olivia had so much love in her life every minute of every day and she will have taken that with her .
I have to say the boarder perhaps didn't show 100% care and I feel she should have made this clear, would it have made a difference? We will never know.
Continue to share your thoughts and feelings if it helps we are all here for you 🙏
 
@CTWC thank you so much for your kind message, I feel like I need to talk more than anything.
If the pet boarder told me "I'll be away 8 hours on Sunday" I would have stayed in the UK and looked after Olivia myself, this I know. Would it have made a difference? I don't know but maybe not. Olivia was doing very well only a week ago, she went downhill so fast that I think the only chance was to address the bladder issue way sooner. But we did just what the 2 vets told us.
Rationally I really believe this all situation went in the only way it could. But I am hurt, and my emotions sometimes say otherwise.
 
This is so heartbreaking to hear, please please don't blame yourself (although much easier said than done!), you did everything and I mean everything you could have done for Olivia. She was so lucky to have someone prepared to cancel flights and come home early to look after her. Someone to sit by her cage, give her critical care, not sleep, give her meds and take her to the vets as much as you did. You put her needs above yours for so long, there was nothing else you could have done. She was so blessed to have you both. You did enough, I promise you, just sometimes enough can't stop the inevitable and that is what is so hard to process. Take time to grieve and remember all the lovely things about her.
 
I wanted to ask: does anyone here set some time aside every now and then specifically to go through memories and photos of rainbow piggies?
We have never done it. I was just talking to Martina and saying that the idea of losing the memories is incredibly upsetting for me, always has been since losing our first piggie Nocciola in 2018. But I wonder if it's fair to expect to retain and easily access those memories if no proactive effort is done to help this, like periodically looking at photos together, or writing down things, even many years later.
If I sound a bit self-blaming...I guess I am to some degree. But at the same time I think it's a valid question and I am very interested in hearing from some of you ❤️
 
This is so heartbreaking to hear, please please don't blame yourself (although much easier said than done!), you did everything and I mean everything you could have done for Olivia. She was so lucky to have someone prepared to cancel flights and come home early to look after her. Someone to sit by her cage, give her critical care, not sleep, give her meds and take her to the vets as much as you did. You put her needs above yours for so long, there was nothing else you could have done. She was so blessed to have you both. You did enough, I promise you, just sometimes enough can't stop the inevitable and that is what is so hard to process. Take time to grieve and remember all the lovely things about her.

From the first moment I saw her at the rescue I knew I would have done anything for her ❤️ and as she was getting older (she was 4.5) I couldn't stand the thought of this moment getting closer. She was incredibly special to me ❤️
 
I wanted to ask: does anyone here set some time aside every now and then specifically to go through memories and photos of rainbow piggies?
We have never done it. I was just talking to Martina and saying that the idea of losing the memories is incredibly upsetting for me, always has been since losing our first piggie Nocciola in 2018. But I wonder if it's fair to expect to retain and easily access those memories if no proactive effort is done to help this, like periodically looking at photos together, or writing down things, even many years later.
If I sound a bit self-blaming...I guess I am to some degree. But at the same time I think it's a valid question and I am very interested in hearing from some of you ❤️
I have framed pictures of my fave photos of my pets that are no longer with me so that I still feel them around, some are on the wall so I get to say hi to them everyday! I keep a couple of photos printed in the frame behind the front photo, so every so often I swap the pictures around and get to see another angle. It helps me to remember them and their happy moments everyday 🫶
 
I like Wiebke's image of a little guardian angel starting to learn how to use his new wings, meaning that your rainbow piggies look after the next generation of piggies as they have helped us learn about how to take care of piggies. The learning is never perfect though ❤️🌈
 
I think for many piggies once they have had a severe bout of an illness, the clock is ticking. A lot is genetics I think. Excellent care can lengthen their lives, and Olivia certainly had excellent care, but with ageing that vulnerability is going to be exploited by illness more and more 😔 If only our love could keep them going by itself they would live very long lives ❤️
 
We have a collage with all of our lovelies past, present and ones we've fostered. Obviously it's gets bigger as time passes . We also have a memorial area in our garden with planters. LED candles, wind chimes and solar lights etc for our Rainbow lovelies. We mark their birthdays and the day they crossed The Rainbow Bridge each year too with a new plant or item 🌈
 
Sending so much love and care your way. This is so heartbreaking ❤️💔. You truely did the best you could for her. Your love and care was able to extend her life…and give her the chance to live her life to the fullest possible with her illness. It’s so easy for us to blame ourselves and question “ what if”. It’s mental torture but a natural human response.

I’ve just lost my boy Leroy (5 years old) .. he had heart failure.. and similar to your lovely Olivia there were so many ups and downs.. he finally gave up his fight on Tuesday morning. It leaves us feeling so empty and lost.. it’s truely a horrible pain.


I think it’s so important for us all to remember that we loved them so very much and we always did our best for them.. and they knew that. You did so much for your sweet Olivia.. please do not blame yourself! You were clearly a dedicated loving owner who put Olivia’s needs before your own.. and you and Olivia were so blessed to have each other.

I hope that’s you can find comfort in the happy memories.. I’ve kept Leroy’s bed blanket and can’t stop sniffing it 🥹.

Be kind to yourself.. I’m trying my best to do so.. the relationship you and your beloved girl shared was nothing short of beautiful.

And please reach out.. we are all here for each other. . ❤️❤️❤️.
 
That is a very moving post and very honest too.
It’s an important part of grieving to talk out our feelings.
The forum is a good place to talk as we all understand the pain of losing piggies.

I have created a photo album of all my rainbow piggies on my phone which I look through from time to time.
I have also marked some of my favourite photos of the piggies over the years so I can look through those too.

We never forget and they always live in our hearts.
Although the initial rawness of grief passes, the memories are always with us. Treasure them and allow yourselves time to grieve.

Hugs 🤗
 
I am so very sorry to read your saddest news. It's taken my a while to type this as II was crying so much at your tribute/backstory. You part your heart and soul into fighting for Olivia - indeed you couldn't have done more for her. She would have known how hard you tried and flew to the bridge on wings of love. Those of us who have lost our piggies understand your grief and know we blame ourselves at the time, but one day that will fade and you will be blessed with happy memories of her. She will always be in your heart. I send many hugs to you both as you grieve. Thinking of you xx
Run free in the lush hay meadows at the bridge beautiful girl 🌈
 
@CTWC thank you so much for your kind message, I feel like I need to talk more than anything.
If the pet boarder told me "I'll be away 8 hours on Sunday" I would have stayed in the UK and looked after Olivia myself, this I know. Would it have made a difference? I don't know but maybe not. Olivia was doing very well only a week ago, she went downhill so fast that I think the only chance was to address the bladder issue way sooner. But we did just what the 2 vets told us.
Rationally I really believe this all situation went in the only way it could. But I am hurt, and my emotions sometimes say otherwise.

Hi

HUGE HUGS

Intense soul-searching at the start of the grieving process is something we all experience; it's our human wiring that we reflect everything negatively back onto ourselves, even where it is objectively not justified.
It gets worse with a dramatic decline, sudden death and/or traumatic circumstances. And it is always worse if you have anxiety or other mental health issues.

You haven't done anything wrong or missed anything. It's just that you never get any guarantee that all the love and care you so desperately put into a very ill piggy are going to be enough to pull of a win in the face of defeat. That is the bitter pill, when your massive effort is not resulting in success and you have your physical exhaustion to deal with on top of the loss. Currently your adrenaline is still on high. You will be able to sleep (but also feeling very grotty and hungover) when the adrenaline eventually runs out. It could take a few days, though. Our body and mind have their individual ways of dealing with stress, defeat and loss. It is not in your conscious control. Adrenaline is a powerful drug, so it takes a while to work it out. Until then, your mind is also racing at a hundred miles an hour. Feeling so stretched on no fuel is never a nice place to be in when the cause is not a happy one. :(

If we could save all out pets by sheer love and determination, we would all be swamped with piggies - and there would be no space for new ones...

It is likely that some in the process went wrong and Olivia started to produce more crystals than her system could cope with in a rather short time and that it has all come to pass over the Easter holiday. That is no foreseeable, and you also cannot control or stop it medically.
The other factor that is never under our control are what I call 'circumstances'. The crises tend to happen at the most inconvenient of times and access to experienced vets is not always guaranteed and is never a guarantee that your piggy can be saved. You can only try your best and hope - sometimes you are lucky but often not.

My Cariad was working on a very fast growing bladder stone right in the middle of my mother-in-law dying in Wales and being put on the Liverpool Path without warning, so I had to commute by train every day in order to spell give my hub a rest by sitting up with my MIL for every second night and then going back to Coventry to make sure that the piggies were fed and medicated once a day because there had been no time to organise anything. The funeral organisation went in parallel with Cariad's emergency operation and we had to bring her with us to the funeral in Wales in order to be able to provide adequate post-op care.
On my 50th birthday I stood on the side of a canal in Amsterdam talking to the Cat & Rabbit Care Clinic about an emergency very borderline make or break operation for Ceri's rabbit-sized bladder stone after she went downhill very quickly over the weekend (eternal thanks to you for that one as well, @furryfriends (TEAS) ). Cariad surviving that op at just over 500g was my biggest birthday present.
However, quite a few Tribe piggies have not made it over holidays or vet's holiday absences, or operations haven't come off over the years... Fflur, Bethan, Telyn, Hafina, Myfina, Bryn Oscar, Rhosyn, Helygen, Tudur - and others. :(
Losing 22 piggies in 24 months between August 2021 and August 2023 - out of 28 piggies - was quite simply absolutely brutal, especially when the deaths happened just days apart; at the worst just a day apart in the week leading up to Christmas 2022.
Not to mention the big emergency when I suddenly landed in hospital with a broken hip and ended up with stage 4 cancer and an inoperable brain tumour on top of the broken hip. And yes, poor Begw's arthritis had advanced too much while I was too sick to ensure her care... :(

Every loss is as bitter as the last, and it is the dark side of the love because love is sadly not all-conquering, nor are we all-powerful gods in control of everything and never getting it wrong.

But if we only focused on what we are not in control of and cannot change or unmake, we would disregard and throw away all the good things that our love and our bond has brought us during the time we have had each piggy - which is what we should be truly cherish once the first pain of loss has passed.

I have my little bag of eternal regrets but I have changed the lock to it: those mistakes and misfortunes are no longer my cubbyhole of shame, they have become what spurs me on to learn and to help my present piggies and the many, many forum piggies over the years. I'd like to think that their deaths have not been in vain. I've tried to learn from my mistakes and to be more empathetic with owners in distress in order to help them find a modicum of solace. I'd still wish I hadn't lost mine the way I did of course, but I am finding my own quantum of solace by paying past regrets forward.
I like to think of my past piggies as my little furry guardian angels who help me help my own and other piggies and owners as a visualisation of all the things they have taught me and which I can hand on. They are still in my thoughts and in my heart; it's not like they have gone into oblivion for as long as I live and this forum exists. We don't delete any threads, so you will be able to find all of your piggies still in there. There is also no rule as to how and when to remember them. It can be the death, an anniversary, or talking about pets you have had a long time ago and whose life you want record in some form.

Anyway, I don't visit this section daily; only when I feel strong and ready enough.
But apart from Rainbow Bridge section tributes, I have created a thread for the too many Tribe piggies in order to remember them all when the list became a bit too long for my signature. The link to this thread is in my signature.
Wiebke's Tribe Photo Gallery

During the time when the losses were piling up too much and too fast, I did a small tribute in my Tribe blog in the Chat section; that is another place where you can talk about those you love and keep on loving.

PS: Donating forum members usually get the right to have a short and discrete signature under each post. Most choose to list their current and previous piggies/pets in some way.

And lastly, I can only remind you of the wonderful piece you have written for us and which is linked into our Looking after a Bereaved Guinea Pig guide. The guide has so far had over 14,000 hits, so your own experiences with your first piggies are having quite an active afterlife and you yourself are continuing to being solace to others in need, even if you are feeling inconsolable yourself. I would recommend that you read your link for yourself and hopefully find a bit of piece in your own very touching and very powerful words.
On grief, and hope

Olivia will never be fully lost. You won't be able to touch her anymore but she will always be in your heart and there are many ways in which she can stay relevant beyond her own lifetime. :)
 
Sending so much love and care your way. This is so heartbreaking ❤️💔. You truely did the best you could for her. Your love and care was able to extend her life…and give her the chance to live her life to the fullest possible with her illness. It’s so easy for us to blame ourselves and question “ what if”. It’s mental torture but a natural human response.

I’ve just lost my boy Leroy (5 years old) .. he had heart failure.. and similar to your lovely Olivia there were so many ups and downs.. he finally gave up his fight on Tuesday morning. It leaves us feeling so empty and lost.. it’s truely a horrible pain.


I think it’s so important for us all to remember that we loved them so very much and we always did our best for them.. and they knew that. You did so much for your sweet Olivia.. please do not blame yourself! You were clearly a dedicated loving owner who put Olivia’s needs before your own.. and you and Olivia were so blessed to have each other.

I hope that’s you can find comfort in the happy memories.. I’ve kept Leroy’s bed blanket and can’t stop sniffing it 🥹.

Be kind to yourself.. I’m trying my best to do so.. the relationship you and your beloved girl shared was nothing short of beautiful.

And please reach out.. we are all here for each other. . ❤️❤️❤️.

So sorry about your boy Leroy, I am sending you the biggest hug. The feeling of emptiness immediately after the loss really is always for me the worst part of the process, there's nothing more painful that I have experienced so far in my life. I feel for you.

I don't really feel guilty, is just that my brain has a big gap to fill now, and so many events to process. Mental health also plays a role as @Wiebke said, my brain very easily defaults to self-blame. I just try not to listen when it does, the problem right now is that there's a lot of silence, and not much else to listen to, if it makes sense.
The silence, that is also unbearable at this early stage.

I think we gave Olivia a family, 2 people that constantly cared for her and stimulated her curiosity, and a lovely house that was all hers to explore, 2 beautiful little sisters to care for. She was extraordinarily bright, inquisitive, social with us, and tame in such a sweet way. She 100% loved us and the house that we gave her.

She wasn't made to live in a hen with dozens of other paws, without having a name, she needed all the above. Bringing her home is one of the best things we've done , it's like we put a little piece of this random puzzle that is the universe in the place where it belongs.
 
We have a collage with all of our lovelies past, present and ones we've fostered. Obviously it's gets bigger as time passes . We also have a memorial area in our garden with planters. LED candles, wind chimes and solar lights etc for our Rainbow lovelies. We mark their birthdays and the day they crossed The Rainbow Bridge each year too with a new plant or item 🌈
This is lovely. I feel like giving a bit of a ritual aspect to remembering them is something that we need to start doing.
 
I am so very sorry to read your saddest news. It's taken my a while to type this as II was crying so much at your tribute/backstory. You part your heart and soul into fighting for Olivia - indeed you couldn't have done more for her. She would have known how hard you tried and flew to the bridge on wings of love. Those of us who have lost our piggies understand your grief and know we blame ourselves at the time, but one day that will fade and you will be blessed with happy memories of her. She will always be in your heart. I send many hugs to you both as you grieve. Thinking of you xx
Run free in the lush hay meadows at the bridge beautiful girl 🌈

Oh thank you so much, I teared up myself reading this. She had the most wonderful waddle, it brings me tears thinking of her running again in the place she's now.
 
So sorry about your boy Leroy, I am sending you the biggest hug. The feeling of emptiness immediately after the loss really is always for me the worst part of the process, there's nothing more painful that I have experienced so far in my life. I feel for you.

I don't really feel guilty, is just that my brain has a big gap to fill now, and so many events to process. Mental health also plays a role as @Wiebke said, my brain very easily defaults to self-blame. I just try not to listen when it does, the problem right now is that there's a lot of silence, and not much else to listen to, if it makes sense.
The silence, that is also unbearable at this early stage.

I think we gave Olivia a family, 2 people that constantly cared for her and stimulated her curiosity, and a lovely house that was all hers to explore, 2 beautiful little sisters to care for. She was extraordinarily bright, inquisitive, social with us, and tame in such a sweet way. She 100% loved us and the house that we gave her.

She wasn't made to live in a hen with dozens of other paws, without having a name, she needed all the above. Bringing her home is one of the best things we've done , it's like we put a little piece of this random puzzle that is the universe in the place where it belongs.

Give yourself time. You are still on the adrenaline highway and haven't found a turn off yet. It is always hard to work against your mind's ingrained wiring but keep on reminding yourself of the good things you have done for her and shared with her.

If you cannot stand the sudden silence in the house and the physical gap, keep yourself busy with selecting pictures of Olivia for a little album or collage. And put a plant or photo of Olivia if you have an empty cage. Or light a candle for her (in a safe dish) as a sign of you thinking of her.
 
Hi

HUGE HUGS

Intense soul-searching at the start of the grieving process is something we all experience; it's our human wiring that we reflect everything negatively back onto ourselves, even where it is objectively not justified.
It gets worse with a dramatic decline, sudden death and/or traumatic circumstances. And it is always worse if you have anxiety or other mental health issues.

You haven't done anything wrong or missed anything. It's just that you never get any guarantee that all the love and care you so desperately put into a very ill piggy are going to be enough to pull of a win in the face of defeat. That is the bitter pill, when your massive effort is not resulting in success and you have your physical exhaustion to deal with on top of the loss. Currently your adrenaline is still on high. You will be able to sleep (but also feeling very grotty and hungover) when the adrenaline eventually runs out. It could take a few days, though. Our body and mind have their individual ways of dealing with stress, defeat and loss. It is not in your conscious control. Adrenaline is a powerful drug, so it takes a while to work it out. Until then, your mind is also racing at a hundred miles an hour. Feeling so stretched on no fuel is never a nice place to be in when the cause is not a happy one. :(

If we could save all out pets by sheer love and determination, we would all be swamped with piggies - and there would be no space for new ones...

It is likely that some in the process went wrong and Olivia started to produce more crystals than her system could cope with in a rather short time and that it has all come to pass over the Easter holiday. That is no foreseeable, and you also cannot control or stop it medically.
The other factor that is never under our control are what I call 'circumstances'. The crises tend to happen at the most inconvenient of times and access to experienced vets is not always guaranteed and is never a guarantee that your piggy can be saved. You can only try your best and hope - sometimes you are lucky but often not.

My Cariad was working on a very fast growing bladder stone right in the middle of my mother-in-law dying in Wales and being put on the Liverpool Path without warning, so I had to commute by train every day in order to spell give my hub a rest by sitting up with my MIL for every second night and then going back to Coventry to make sure that the piggies were fed and medicated once a day because there had been no time to organise anything. The funeral organisation went in parallel with Cariad's emergency operation and we had to bring her with us to the funeral in Wales in order to be able to provide adequate post-op care.
On my 50th birthday I stood on the side of a canal in Amsterdam talking to the Cat & Rabbit Care Clinic about an emergency very borderline make or break operation for Ceri's rabbit-sized bladder stone after she went downhill very quickly over the weekend (eternal thanks to you for that one as well, @furryfriends (TEAS) ). Cariad surviving that op at just over 500g was my biggest birthday present.
However, quite a few Tribe piggies have not made it over holidays or vet's holiday absences, or operations haven't come off over the years... Fflur, Bethan, Telyn, Hafina, Myfina, Bryn Oscar, Rhosyn, Helygen, Tudur - and others. :(
Losing 22 piggies in 24 months between August 2021 and August 2023 - out of 28 piggies - was quite simply absolutely brutal, especially when the deaths happened just days apart; at the worst just a day apart in the week leading up to Christmas 2022.
Not to mention the big emergency when I suddenly landed in hospital with a broken hip and ended up with stage 4 cancer and an inoperable brain tumour on top of the broken hip. And yes, poor Beygw's arthritis had advanced too much while I was too sick to ensure her care... :(

Every loss is as bitter as the last, and it is the dark side of the love because love is sadly not all-conquering, nor are we all-powerful gods in control of everything and never getting it wrong.

But if we only focused on what we are not in control of and cannot change or unmake, we would disregard and throw away all the good things that our love and our bond has brought us during the time we have had each piggy - which is what we should be truly cherish once the first pain of loss has passed.

I have my little bag of eternal regrets but I have changed the lock to it: those mistakes and misfortunes are no longer my cubby hole of shame, they have become what spurs me on to learn and to help my present piggies and the many, many forum piggies over the years. I'd like to think that their deaths have not been in vain. I've tried to learn from my mistakes and to be more empathetic with owners in distress in order to help them find a modicum of solace. I'd still not wish I had lost mine the way I did but I am finding my own quantum of solace by paying past regrets forward.
I like to think of my past piggies as my little furry guardian angels who help me help my own and other piggies and owners as a visualisation of all the things they have taught me and which I can hand on. They are still in my thoughts and in my heart; it's not like they have gone into oblivion for as long as I live and this forum exists. We don't delete any threads, so you will be able to find all of your piggies still in there. There is also no rule as to how and when to remember them. It can be the death, an anniversary, or talking about pets you have had a long time ago and whose life you want record in some form.

I don't visit this section daily; only when I feel strong and ready enough.
But apart from Rainbow Bridge section tributes, I have created a thread for the too many Tribe piggies in order to remember them all when the list became a bit too long for my signature. The link to this thread is in my signature.
Wiebke's Tribe Photo Gallery

During the time when the losses were piling up too much and too fast, I did a small tribute in my Tribe blog in the Chat section; that is another place where you can talk about those you love and keep on loving.

PS: Donating forum members usually get the right to have a short and discrete signature under each post. Most choose to list their current and previous piggies/pets in some way.

And lastly, I can only remind you of the wonderful piece you have written for us and which is linked into our Looking after a Bereaved Guinea Pig guide. The guide has so far had over 14,000 hits, so your own experiences with your first piggies are having quite an active afterlife and you yourself are continuing to being solace to others in need, even if you are feeling inconsolable yourself. I would recommend that you read your link for yourself and hopefully find a bit of piece in your own very touching and very powerful words.

Olivia will never be fully lost. You won't be able to touch her anymore but she will always be in your heart and there are many ways in which she can stay relevant beyond her own lifetime. :)

Hi Wiebke,

I can't even imagine what it was like losing so many babies in such a short time, and how stressful it was to be in the middle of the situations you described in detail!

Just earlier today I stumbled by chance upon the first message I wrote to you back in 2018, I was asking you about to talk about Minx, as we had lost our Nocciola a week before. You might remember me talking about Nocciola, she was a mini-dog pig and she was absolutely in love with me.

Olivia was also a one in a million piggie.
I swear the moment I saw the way she behaved in the house and with us, I thought I was looking at Nocciola reincarnetad, and that I was given a second chance after years.
I wonder if you also had a similar feeling over the years?
I was wrong obviously, they were not the same pig and in some ways quite significantly different. Nocciola was more assertive and in some ways more grumpy, Olivia was even tamer than Nocciola and with a more sweet attitude. But in terms of the strength and quality of the bond I was not that wrong, it was like having Nocciola again.
Many times I called Olivia Nocciola, when I was distracted!

Thank you so much for writing such a long and heartfelt message. Our thoughts go out to you very often.

Finally, I think there's definitely a lesson in the fact that I should read the words that I wrote 7 years ago. I was not aware of the number of hits, it humbles me and the thought of someone getting some relief by reading my words, maybe when they are in a moment like we are now, is something that is hard to put into words.
 
So sorry about your boy Leroy, I am sending you the biggest hug. The feeling of emptiness immediately after the loss really is always for me the worst part of the process, there's nothing more painful that I have experienced so far in my life. I feel for you.

I don't really feel guilty, is just that my brain has a big gap to fill now, and so many events to process. Mental health also plays a role as @Wiebke said, my brain very easily defaults to self-blame. I just try not to listen when it does, the problem right now is that there's a lot of silence, and not much else to listen to, if it makes sense.
The silence, that is also unbearable at this early stage.

I think we gave Olivia a family, 2 people that constantly cared for her and stimulated her curiosity, and a lovely house that was all hers to explore, 2 beautiful little sisters to care for. She was extraordinarily bright, inquisitive, social with us, and tame in such a sweet way. She 100% loved us and the house that we gave her.

She wasn't made to live in a hen with dozens of other paws, without having a name, she needed all the above. Bringing her home is one of the best things we've done , it's like we put a little piece of this random puzzle that is the universe in the place where it belongs.
Thank you ❤️.

And yes… it’s like learning a new normal
I life.. doing the normal day to day without them there. It’s awful.. the silence is so hard.

I also struggle with mental health issues and I know what you mean about the brains automatic response to things … and we have to try so hard to ignore that voice!

Its exactly that. You gave her a loving family , a safe space and unconditional love. you had a happy home for her and that’s so beautiful. I believe that everything happens for a reason. And that we are all drawn to what’s meant for us..
she was meant to find you all..

❤️
 
Hi Wiebke,

I can't even imagine what it was like losing so many babies in such a short time, and how stressful it was to be in the middle of the situations you described in detail!

Just earlier today I stumbled by chance upon the first message I wrote to you back in 2018, I was asking you about to talk about Minx, as we had lost our Nocciola a week before. You might remember me talking about Nocciola, she was a mini-dog pig and she was absolutely in love with me.

Olivia was also a one in a million piggie.
I swear the moment I saw the way she behaved in the house and with us, I thought I was looking at Nocciola reincarnetad, and that I was given a second chance after years.
I wonder if you also had a similar feeling over the years?
I was wrong obviously, they were not the same pig and in some ways quite significantly different. Nocciola was more assertive and in some ways more grumpy, Olivia was even tamer than Nocciola and with a more sweet attitude. But in terms of the strength and quality of the bond I was not that wrong, it was like having Nocciola again.
Many times I called Olivia Nocciola, when I was distracted!

Thank you so much for writing such a long and heartfelt message. Our thoughts go out to you very often.

Finally, I think there's definitely a lesson in the fact that I should read the words that I wrote 7 years ago. I was not aware of the number of hits, it humbles me and the thought of someone getting some relief by reading my words, maybe when they are in a moment like we are now, is something that is hard to put into words.

Thank you. I am drawing strength from giving to this wonderful community and getting so much goodwill back.

I've just lost my Dryw before Easter, so I totally feel about Olivia and you - Dryw's a little reminder of my Dizzy from pre-Tribe years that I adopted sight unseen because I urgently needed a baby girl in 2019 (You can see Dizzy, the chocolate, ginger and white aby, in one first pictures of the Tribe Gallery thread and Dryw has of course her own entry in my Tribe Gallery link in my signature).

If you are open for it and are patient, things will come to you. But they usually don't repeat the same way. Olivia was obviously meant for you. ❤️

Indeed, I have had a number of piggies that have obviously been meant to happen - surprise baby Tegan from my avatar is looking vaguely like my first own piggy as a teenager, born to a mother who I adopted from Mid-Wales because she looked about as similar as I gets in view of the time lapse and breed development to our first family piggy from the 70ies.
Tegan was born here totally unplanned about 3 months after I had suddenly lost my initial baby adopted Telyn (baby name Tegan) due to congenital heart failure only days after her 2nd birthday.
Incidentally, my current Blodyn (again adopted sight unseen as part of my Cornish family) is the mirror image of Telyn, who I missed terribly at the time.

There have been others; sometimes deliberately in order to keep precious memories alive, sometimes as an adoptee chosen by the rescue person aware of my piggies and my personal preferences. And sometimes by sheer chance.
What I have always been very careful about is never to name a new similarly looking piggy anything like the predecessor, so they could develop their own personality and have their own journey without any misplaced expectations of mine. I have broken that rule only once, when Heilin 'Generous' followed fairly similar looking Heini 'Lively' because of her looks so she could live with some socially difficult piggies as she had the family looks. It worked, but with the wrong sister... :) But I made sure I was emotionally OK with the name first.

My most special piggy of all, Minx, lived 20 years ago - my own larger-than-life, stair climbing mini-dog. While I have taken my piggy journey into a totally new direction (my big Tribe group), I have continued to adopt about every 4 years a similar looking piggy to Minx; but deliberately never one that was dead ringer for Minx because they would never be able to live up to my instinctive expectations of Minx's quirks and very strong personality, and it would not have been fair to place that emotional burden on any new arrivals. There would never be one like Minx again but those precious three years with Minx are still one of the happiest times in my life and I am very grateful to have had them, even though they were sadly cut short due to Minx's bladder stone problems.
I have always given any successors distinctly different names: Taffy 'Beloved' (Telyn's mum) in 2009, Pili Pala 'Butterfly' in 2013, Beryn 'Candytuft' in 2017 and then the Cornish family in 2022 to bring up the rear of the Tribe. Ffowlyn (2010) was a last minute spontaneous addition when her two sisters were adopted together and her mother Ffion bound to come to me. We had to smuggle her past my disapproving mother-in-law but thankfully Ffowlyn stayed put under her blanket.
Minx: It Is 10 Years Today...

My current name hang-up is Macsen 'the Greatest' who I regularly call Maelog 'Battle Prince'; they are both lilac and white boar adoptees from TEAS. Maelog was here from 2013-17 (initially as a temporary foster boar for TEAS and then as a permanent adoptee) and Macsen arrived just before the outbreak of the pandemic in 2020 as slow dater for Beryn, failed narrowly but stayed on because of Lockdown...

No matter how many piggies you have, there is always a big gap in the room whenever one leaves that you have to gradually get used to; all those instinctive, unthinking little things you do over the course of a day that connect you are the hardest bit to basically unlearn and stop doing. The worst for me is counting out the pieces of pepper and cucumber correctly during prep; that always takes me ages to get used to. :hb:

Right now, I am missing my sweet little madam Dryw 'Wren' very much. It still hurts somewhat to see different piggies now inhabiting her corner of the room whenever I look across. But that is normal and it is the price we pay for all the love and joy our piggies bring into our lives. Some of the mechanics of the grieving process get eventually a little bit easier because you can recognise them for what they are but the loss of an always unique bond and relationship never gets less painful.

And of course, I can no longer go and wait for another suitable adoptee to come along. Even before my cancer diagnosis I had started to downsize and had adopted my Cornish family to bring up the rear of my personal piggy journey by fulfilling my last bucket dream of adopting a ready-made group right in the darkest days of the 'Big Dying' when I stopped being able to process my grief and went just numb. Sadly, some of the piggies I lost during that period have just kind of disappeared in a general mush of total grieving misery. :(

But my Cornish Family are going to remain my youngest piggies, bringing up the end of my Tribe story.
And that in itself is a very bitter-sweet journey. It is a very drawn-out grieving process for an important part of my life as well as all the many different and wonderful pigsonalities I have been blessed to share my very own life journey with. Life with a terminal illness is a very bitter-sweet journey because you are aware that time is running out and that things won't be coming back nor can you jump on the roundabout when they are coming round again. You have to savour the moments and make the most of that because if you do that - like you love your piggy every day - then you can be sad by the end of it but you can also look back and leave behind a life filled with meaningful content and lots of love.
 
Thank you for all your messages. It's a difficult morning, I need to go back to work and I'm dreading the idea, but once it's over I'd like to sit down and spend some time looking at pictures and memories, not just Olivia's but also other piggies that we lost in the last few years.
I feel like the grieving process with some of them was a bit rushed, compromised by the necessity of having to rush back to the routine and all the obligations, perhaps too soon.

I sat in front of the cage today after breakfast. Of the trio of girls that we had, Olivia, Mia and Ginny, only Ginny is left. Mia passed away in November '25 before her 3rd birthday, suddenly in the night due to sudden bloat, without showing any sign the evening after when we went to bed. She was monitored constantly for bloating, and yet we couldn't save her. We never had a piggie just going into her forever sleep in the night, it was completely shocking.

Since a few months, perhaps feeling that Olivia's time was limited, after Mia's sudden passing, I started doing what we call "quality time" with the girls not just in the evenings but also in the morning, between breakfast and work. I would sit in front of the open cage for 30min or more, and just be there and interact with the girls before having to start work. Olivia would always come out on the floor, and the interaction was always great, whether she was just trying to solicitate breakfast, or she just wanted attention and interaction.
This morning quality time was great, and she absolutely loved it. We miss her so much now.

These are the three girls in 2024 during quality time in the living room with us, this trio was formed just in 2023. They were such a good trio, they got along perfectly and the quality time with them in the evenings was so great. All of us, me, Martina and the girls, loved it so much. it breaks our heart that it lasted such a short time.
 

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Thank you for all your messages. It's a difficult morning, I need to go back to work and I'm dreading the idea, but once it's over I'd like to sit down and spend some time looking at pictures and memories, not just Olivia's but also other piggies that we lost in the last few years.
I feel like the grieving process with some of them was a bit rushed, compromised by the necessity of having to rush back to the routine and all the obligations, perhaps too soon.

I sat in front of the cage today after breakfast. Of the trio of girls that we had, Olivia, Mia and Ginny, only Ginny is left. Mia passed away in November '25 before her 3rd birthday, suddenly in the night due to sudden bloat, without showing any sign the evening after when we went to bed. She was monitored constantly for bloating, and yet we couldn't save her. We never had a piggie just going into her forever sleep in the night, it was completely shocking.

Since a few months, perhaps feeling that Olivia's time was limited, after Mia's sudden passing, I started doing what we call "quality time" with the girls not just in the evenings but also in the morning, between breakfast and work. I would sit in front of the open cage for 30min or more, and just be there and interact with the girls before having to start work. Olivia would always come out on the floor, and the interaction was always great, whether she was just trying to solicitate breakfast, or she just wanted attention and interaction.
This morning quality time was great, and she absolutely loved it. We miss her so much now.

These are the three girls in 2024 during quality time in the living room with us, this trio was formed just in 2023. They were such a good trio, they got along perfectly and the quality time with them in the evenings was so great. All of us, me, Martina and the girls, loved it so much. it breaks our heart that it lasted such a short time.
Little piggy angels ❤️
 
Thank you for all your messages. It's a difficult morning, I need to go back to work and I'm dreading the idea, but once it's over I'd like to sit down and spend some time looking at pictures and memories, not just Olivia's but also other piggies that we lost in the last few years.
I feel like the grieving process with some of them was a bit rushed, compromised by the necessity of having to rush back to the routine and all the obligations, perhaps too soon.

I sat in front of the cage today after breakfast. Of the trio of girls that we had, Olivia, Mia and Ginny, only Ginny is left. Mia passed away in November '25 before her 3rd birthday, suddenly in the night due to sudden bloat, without showing any sign the evening after when we went to bed. She was monitored constantly for bloating, and yet we couldn't save her. We never had a piggie just going into her forever sleep in the night, it was completely shocking.

Since a few months, perhaps feeling that Olivia's time was limited, after Mia's sudden passing, I started doing what we call "quality time" with the girls not just in the evenings but also in the morning, between breakfast and work. I would sit in front of the open cage for 30min or more, and just be there and interact with the girls before having to start work. Olivia would always come out on the floor, and the interaction was always great, whether she was just trying to solicitate breakfast, or she just wanted attention and interaction.
This morning quality time was great, and she absolutely loved it. We miss her so much now.

These are the three girls in 2024 during quality time in the living room with us, this trio was formed just in 2023. They were such a good trio, they got along perfectly and the quality time with them in the evenings was so great. All of us, me, Martina and the girls, loved it so much. it breaks our heart that it lasted such a short time.

Try to picture Olivia and Mia together at the Bridge, so you can grieve for them together. It can make it a bit easier.

Treasure your quality time because you have added a lot more interactive lifetime and got a lot more out of your piggies. That makes a big difference emotionally because you feel you have had them for longer and there is no wasted time. I had my old gent Bryn Oscar the name deaf for just a year (he was 5 years when I adopted him) but because he was such a hoot and we had so much fun together, it always felt like he had been here all his life. You have had Olivia and Mia as well for much longer than their bare numbers suggest and you have given them the happiest of lives.

What you have never control over is when in which way and under which circumstances the end comes. I have had seemingly piggies dying unexpectedly just while we were out doing our shopping or finding them dead in the cage two hours after breakfast still in that area where I had put down the pellets to check whether they were all there and tucking in... Sometimes, you just cannot brace for it and there is nothing you can do to prevent it from happening. It is a hard one to cope with for somebody who needs to be in control and able to anticipate everything. :(

Just give yourself time. It is OK to not being OK this weekend and in the coming week and to just function.
 
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