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Neutering a boar

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Ive got 2 sows living together and a single un-neutered boar. I've been asked to take in an unwanted un-neutered boar, and was wondering whether to get the boars neutered and have them all live together.

Does anyone know the cost of neutering boars? And do you think this could work? Or should I keep them separate?
 
That is a great idea. I am not sure how much it costs. It would be so nice for them all to live together.
 
Yep, should work well. The key is finding a very good piggie vet and realising neutering does have its risks too. I would say as an average it would cost £50-70ish depending on the vets and the area of the country you are in.

You could always date the lone boar too, so he can have a friend if you are worried about neutering in any way.

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Are you asking whether to get both boars neutered and put them with the females, as a group of 4 (2 females, 2 neutered males)?

I'm confused by the replies so far, I'm not sure if I or others have misunderstood?

It's usually generally speaking, 1 neutered male to any number of females. Males tend to fight over ladies :))
 
Are you asking whether to get both boars neutered and put them with the females, as a group of 4 (2 females, 2 neutered males)?

I'm confused by the replies so far, I'm not sure if I or others have misunderstood?

It's usually generally speaking, 1 neutered male to any number of females. Males tend to fight over ladies :))

So 2 neutered boars with females isn't a good idea then?

I could introduce the 2 boars to live together, they are in a hutch next to the 2females. Could females smells make them fight? As they would be in close proximity?
 
Oh I misunderstood! Two boars cannot live with sows. You can try bonding the boars together but they will have to be away from the sows. If they smell them it will make them fight.
 
Thanks. I'm bidding on a 120 cage on eBay now so I can have them in another room.
 
Oh I misunderstood! Two boars cannot live with sows. You can try bonding the boars together but they will have to be away from the sows. If they smell them it will make them fight.

I thought I was going mad and had missed some breakthrough in boar behaviour!
 
Thanks. I'm bidding on a 120 cage on eBay now so I can have them in another room.

Lucky boars :)

Have a look on the behaviour section of the forum for info on how to bond two males. Sometimes it's difficult, but if done properly, can form a successfully bonded pair :)
 
I thought i was going mad too amanda! I re read the OP serveral times before scrolling past the first couple of answers to see yours.
 
So nothing to be gained fom neutering either?
Am I making a load of trouble for myself taking on this boar? Would I be better neutering the one I have and putting him in with the girls?
 
You could neuter the boar you have now and have him with the girls but what will happen to this other boar? If you give him a loving home he may bond nicely with your current boar. Do you know how to bond guinea pigs? It has to be done on neutral ground and boars benefit from being bathed so they smell the same.
 
I put 2 sows together. I had one in a cage next to the other ones hutch initially then had them for short spells in a run together. It seemed to work well.
What tips can you recommend? The only thing that worried me is that the cannot all be in the same room if I have the other boy.
If I didn't have him he would just be on his own I think, or the owner was suggesting taking him back to the rescue he came from and getting another pair. She said he was grumpy, but I think it is just he didn't like to be handled by her kids, they are 4 & 6 so quite scary to a piggy!
 
That woman cannot just get another guinea pig because she thinks he is grumpy. That is a terrible attitude to have. When will people learn that animals have feelings. Do you have space in another room to have the boars together? I really recommend a c and c cage. They give lots of space. Boars need lots of space to prevent any fighting.
 
I think firstly you could try bonding the two boars together. How old are they both? A younger and an older male are usually the best pairing. Make sure you bond on neutral territory and that the place you will be keeping them is large enough and has 2 bowls/water bowls/hideys etc to begin with so that it minimises fighting possibility.

If that doesn't work out you could get both males neutered and pair one with each of the girls so you have two stable pairs. Usually boys and girls pair up fairly well but obviously there's no guarentees they will get on but i'd say whatever happens if you are going to get another cage you may aswell try rather than leave this other boar on his own.

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If I were you, I'd first try to bond both boars. Be aware that it can easily and very quickly go wrong and have a towel at hand - you don't want to get bitten badly by a boar when you have to intervene in a fight.
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=38562
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=28949
http://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=59233 (this link contains many short videos to give you a bit of an idea of what you are dealing with and what looks like OK or not OK behaviour).

If that doesn't work out (it very much depends upon whether they are character compatible), you can think about neutering and having your girls live with a boar each, depending on the age of your girls (not all older sows will necessarily accept a boar) and only after a post op wait of 6 weeks to make sure that they are safe to go with girls. You will need to find a good and experienced piggy vet to minimise the risks of neutering post op complications.
http://www.cavyspirit.com/neutering.htm

Neutering guinea pig boars dosn't change behaviour, it only eliminates the ability to make babies. In the wild, a core group of sows will live one boar while bachelors hang loosely around waiting for their chance. With two boars, you will recreate a permanent takeover situation which will inevitably end up in bloody fights.
 
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So many options! If I had 2 male (neutered) / female pairs in the same room, would the boars get aggressive towards their female?

I can't have a c&c as we have 2 cats and a dog too.

I could put the 2 boys in another room, but I'd rather they are all in one room.

Oh the dilemma!

The boar I already have was an adoption from p@h, they said he needed to be kept alone, dont know why? He is almost one year old. This other one is just under a year aswell, about 9 months old, so they are a similar age really.
 
No they cannot be in same room. Neutering makes no difference to their behaviour only the fact they cannot have babies. You can make a lid on the c and c cage but I can understand if that is not an option for you. I used to have a Ferplast 140 and you can get a stand for it. That would be good for you as you have other animals.

Pets at home often say animals should be kept alone for no reason. I would not listen to that at all. In my opinion almost all guinea pigs can have a friend.

I just hope the woman you take him from does not get any more animals.
 
So once I have introduced them on neutral territory, I can keep them together from that point (under scrutiny)?
Is the anything to be gained from having cages side by side before doing the intros?
 
I would keep the cages side by side as they can get used to each other. You may have to introduce them several times as it can take a while before they will bond. I really recommend a bath too so they smell the same.
 
Yes, you can have two neutered boar/sow pairs in one room without problems.

I currently have a group of 4 sows/1 neutered boar living above a group of 10 sows with their neutered boar and am planning to moving them into adjoining pens soon. Things can get lively occasionally when the pheromones of a sow coming into a strong season triggers others that are near season, but there has never been a case of a boar turning against his sows because of that, just a lot of drama and humping!

It is only advisable to keep a pure boar-boar bond physically away out of the reach of sow pheromones, as that can spark disputes and at worst bloody fights and permanent fall outs. Either keep boar-boar couples in a different room, at different ends of a room, or if space is really a problem, keep boars above girls so they can't see them and are least affected by pheromones.
 
Yes, you can have two neutered boar/sow pairs in one room without problems.

I currently have a group of 4 sows/1 neutered boar living above a group of 10 sows with their neutered boar and am planning to moving them into adjoining pens soon. Things can get lively occasionally when the pheromones of a sow coming into a strong season triggers others that are near season, but there has never been a case of a boar turning against his sows because of that, just a lot of drama and humping!

It is only advisable to keep a pure boar-boar bond physically away out of the reach of sow pheromones, as that can spark disputes and at worst bloody fights and permanent fall outs. Either keep boar-boar couples in a different room, at different ends of a room, or if space is really a problem, keep boars above girls so they can't see them and are least affected by pheromones.

Thanks, this sounds like a preferable option to me, just need to check out neutering costs now
 
Please get quotes and check several vets; cost are only one aspect. A vets success rate is another as complications can get more expensive than the operation itself - abscesses and infections can happen weeks or even months after an operation!

It is a harrowing and expensive lesson; one I have learned the hard way with one of my neutered boars who had a VERY narrow escape last year, no thanks to the vet clinic who operated on him! Thankfully, with the right kind of support, most boars make it and Hywel is definitely thriving.
http://www.guinealynx.info/vet.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/postop.html
 
It's a nightmare knowing what to do for the best, stick with the easy 3 I've got, take on another.......
When I have a 4 ft cage I will get him I think and try to introduce them......
I will leave it until the Easter hols so I am at home for a few weeks to observe!

Thanks everyone for your advice.
 
Hello,

I've just come across this thread. I just wanted to share my experience of having recently had both my boars neutered. Now my experience is awful, and I'm sure there are others who have had no issue - but you know what I wish a month ago I'd seen and read a thread like the one I'm about to write.

The neutering operation itself went well, the aftermath has been horrendous. It was not detected prior to the neutering that one of my boars had a heart murmur.

About a week after the neutering operation Manny started to become unwell, really unwell. The neutering operation cost me £65 per piggy - I've spent over £500 in vet costs because of my poorly boar. So in vet fee's just in one month, I've spent somewhere between £700 - £1000, I still have ongoing medication to pay for.

The only thing we can put it down to was - post-operation stress/effects of the general anesthetic. No one could have predicted it would happen. If I had the chance to go back in time and not have them neutered. I would in an instant! It was not worth it at all.

Syringe feeding at 2am, 4am, 6am, 8am, 10am - and so on throughout the day, taking time off work often at a moment's notice (you try having that conversation with your boss, I need to stay home with my guinea pigs.....luckily I can work from home, doesn't mean I haven't faced stern faces over the last couple of weeks for the amount of days I've stayed home), hours and hours spent on the phone to forum members, vets, hundreds of pounds spent on tests, continous running up and down to the vets, sleepless nights, constant crying, knowing he was in pain - it was awful.

The operation went well, that was not the issue. For my piggiy it appears to be all to do with the stress - although we may still be wrong on that. Quite honestly, three very good vets have failed to be able to tell me what's wrong with Manny. Not their fault, not their fault at all, we just don't know. There's not enough information out there about guinea pig anatomy. We're fighting in the dark and that's the way it is.

A week after the op he suddenly stopped eating, his poops turned soft, then there was no poops, then there was diarhoea. He was hunched up in pain, squealing and crying in his cage. I was up and down the vet with him constantly. He would of died, if I hadn't had the money to pump into keeping him alive and getting him the 24 hour supportive care he required. He just refused to eat, that played havoc with his gut, and I'm telling listening to your guinea pig cry is just about the worse thing an owner can hear.

I'm still not completely out of the woods yet although he is doing better.

My other piggy coped absolutely fine with it. But if you look at those odds, 50/50 chance, they aren't good. I can't tell you how many nights I've spent awake and crying- and you know why? Because it was all my fault because I put him through that operation - and it doesn't matter how many people told me it wasn't my fault and that I wasn't to know and I was doing all that I could, you know what - it was my fault, it was my choice, it wasn't nature, it wasn't his time, i interfered with nature, I interfered with him, this is catergorically my fault. The book rests with me. Every squeal, every whimper, every time he's fighting to be put down when I'm trying to give him his meds - is a reminder that I did this to him. He was a perfectly happy piggy before I decided to have him neutered.

Don't get me wrong, my intentions were good. I wanted him to have a lovely piggy life with wives and be happy. But I did not explore the option of boar dating. I should have tried. When him and his cage mate weren't getting on, I should have atleast tried boar dating first. Neutering should only be done, I now believe after every possible scenario is explored. I didn't listen, I didn't listen properly when people told me that. They told me there was risks, I was confident I had a good vet, I didn't think about stress in terms that it could kill him....!

I'm just saying, be prepared. It is not a straight forward operation, not if, for example, one of your piggies who appears happy and healthy simply buckles under the strain. Manny was a big fat piggy, over a 1kg, the perfect age and weight. He appeared healthy, robust, playful - I would never have imagined just three weeks post op, he'd be skinny, withdrawn, and I'd have a team of people all of the country in one way or another - fighting for his life.

Please please please please, do not enter into neutering lightly. If you can avoid it - please do. Please check all your options. Neutering sounds simple, but if it goes wrong, you are in for a world of pain. Please make sure you have the finances, the support, and are able to accept that this decision could be a life or death one for your guinea pigs.

The operation itself is very simply. You could have the best piggy vet in the world, but you can't predict how your guinea pig is going to react afterwards.

I just want to spare anyone the ordeal I've just been through and am still going through. I'm not trying to sound awful here, I'm really not, three weeks ago I was that person thinking, yeah getting them neutered will be great - then they can have a fabulous life......Now I'd pay £2000, I'd pay more if I could go back in time and not do it.

But that was my experience......but I think it's one worth sharing - if you're making a decision on neutering. If you do go through with it, above anything else, make sure you have the finances of up to £1000 per guinea pigs ready to hand incase you find yourself in a similar situation to me, make sure you have support, a team of very experienced guinea pig people who can sit with you, talk with you, explain how to syringe feed, give you advice etc, this forum is great -but what you really need is someone you can call at 1am, make sure you have a plan if you have to work and he suddenly becomes ill upto a month after the op (abcesses/infection can occur up to 6 weeks post op). Make sure you know how much the emergency vet fee's are. If one of your piggies goes down hill at 2am on a Saturday night - how much is that going to cost you?

Review all the list of post-op complications, speak to as many people as possible who have had their piggies neutered, found out what issues they've had, maybe even draw a chart of how many people had problems vs how many who didn't.

Best of luck. I'm not trying to be awful, please don't think that. I just wish someone had stopped me that morning I put them in the carrier, slapped me across the face and said, 'do you know what you might be doing?'. If I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't do it, not a chance.

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Oh my, sounds awful!

Thank you, you have made up my mind!

I don't think I am going to take this boar on, I will suggest she gets a young one to go with him.

So what should I do with my lone boar? Keep him lone or get a young boar to go with him?
 
Take your boar to a rescue and try boar dating. That way he can choose his own friend.
 
I started this thread a while ago when I was asked about taking in another boar, his mate had died and the owner said he was grumpy and didn't like being handled by her children and she wanted 2 new ones.

I'm currently bidding on a 120 cage with the intention of bonding him with my boar.

Then today I was mortified to see her FB photos of her children completing their Easter Egg hunt with the big 'find' - 2 baby pigs.

What's the betting the poor old boar is in a rescue? I'm trying to find out whether she still has him so I can take him in. I'm so upset!
 
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