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We would like to continue with piggies. It is a good idea, not too sure we have the space but can look at making space. I know there will be a piggie(s) out there for Bruno, if the see saw can't be helped then we will work through it then as well. Going to move the cosie into the cage so Bruno can cuddle into it. Bruno is quite a very codependent piggie, at least he was with Ozzy, I have so much love and care to give him but I know I can't replace that of a piggie

Just let him have Ozzy's scent if he needs it - it is giving a grieving piggy those options to take or leave that make a difference for the coming days.

Don't rush into anything. Give Bruno and yourself time to grieve first and foremost.

We can help with cage solutions as you won't be the first looking for creative ways... It's all there in its own time.

Make sure that you take care of yourself.

And please listen to this link to calm down. It is daft but it is also surprisingly effective in soothing you down for the night. It works for all ages: Rainbow bridge video I made, I hope it can bring some comfort to others
 
Just let him have Ozzy's scent if he needs it - it is giving a grieving piggy those options to take or leave that make a difference for the coming days.

Don't rush into anything. Give Bruno and yourself time to grieve first and foremost.

We can help with cage solutions as you won't be the first looking for creative ways... It's all there in its own time.

Make sure that you take care of yourself.

And please listen to this link to calm down. It is daft but it is also surprisingly effective in soothing you down for the night. It works for all ages: Rainbow bridge video I made, I hope it can bring some comfort to others
Thank you so much, I have put the cosie in there for Bruno. I will take some time to try and process everything, I think I'm just afraid of Bruno pining, but he does need time and I will give him that. I have tried to watch the video before and pulled it up just now, it is so lovely, it does have me crying my eyes out, not in a bad way though
 
Thank you so much, I have put the cosie in there for Bruno. I will take some time to try and process everything, I think I'm just afraid of Bruno pining, but he does need time and I will give him that. I have tried to watch the video before and pulled it up just now, it is so lovely, it does have me crying my eyes out, not in a bad way though

HUGS
Nothing wrong with crying; you need the release. It is has been a very traumatic day for you.

Wishing you all the best for the night. As long as Bruno is eating and drinking, he will cope and come round again but it is buying you the necessary time to think things through, discuss them, see what is around within your reach and then make an informed decision that will work for the longer term. ;)
 
I’m so sorry. You did everything you could. Popcorn high over the bridge Ozzy. ❤️
 
It's very difficult adjusting after intense caring. The effort to keep up with a demanding caring schedule suddenly isn't needed anymore and the sudden quiet might feel very empty. A small ritual might help. Your tribute to Ozzy is beautiful 🌈
 
A little calmer today but still in shock. Waiting for the vet to call me back so that they can return Ozzy to us. Bruno has been sleeping in Ozzys bed today, hes still eating and drinking but can very easily tell that the loss is hitting him very hard too. Thank you everyone for being so kind, it really has made the world of difference
 
A little calmer today but still in shock. Waiting for the vet to call me back so that they can return Ozzy to us. Bruno has been sleeping in Ozzys bed today, hes still eating and drinking but can very easily tell that the loss is hitting him very hard too. Thank you everyone for being so kind, it really has made the world of difference
Sending you hugs 🥰
 
A little calmer today but still in shock. Waiting for the vet to call me back so that they can return Ozzy to us. Bruno has been sleeping in Ozzys bed today, hes still eating and drinking but can very easily tell that the loss is hitting him very hard too. Thank you everyone for being so kind, it really has made the world of difference

HUGS

Give yourself time. It will take a few more days to fully sink in.

Glad that the cosy is working for Bruno to give him consolation. Don't change the cage bedding for a week and just let Ozzy's scent fade naturally, no matter how grotty it gets. For once, Bruno's own grieving needs take precedence.

Don't put yourself under too much pressure re. companionship. As long as Bruno is eating and drinking, it is better to take the time to look around as to what is available and think through your long term options without putting yourself under too much pressure or into making knee-jerk decisions. Ultimately, it is more important for Bruno's happiness that you find a solution that works for the longer term and not just a haphazard stop-gap.

It depends on whether looking through old photos and videos is a consolation for you or whether it is too painful - you can never tell in advance. It can be different with every loss. But if you find it consoling, then reviving happy memories could help you fill the Ozzy-shaped hole. Grieving is a very personal process and it is different every time, as each bond is unique. Follow your heart. Do what makes you feel better and try to stay away from what is too painful.

Think about a little ritual for Ozzy when he comes home and whether having a little remembrance corner for him would help you. There are more tips in the grieving guide link - it is about finding out what appeals and works for you while you digest both the huge shock and then the sudden loss, which have sadly pretty much coincided, so you have got a very full plate indeed.
As this is your first piggy loss, be open to try things so can find out for yourself which props and strategies work for you to help you through it; then you have got something in place with future losses that you can come back to as a personalised grieving crutch and something that helps you keep a foot on deck, mentally speaking. Right now, filling this somewhat eerie time with constructive and soothing things and activities is likely the most helpful thing for yourself that you can do.

As to Bruno, follow his lead as to whether he prefers to be left alone (which most piggies will) or whether he is happy to be consoled and to share his grief with you. Don't feel rejected if he'd rather wants to be left to his own devices. Piggies don't grieve any less deeply than us and they have to go by how their own feelings.
It can be rather tough on you because you don't love him any less and you would like to help him and ease his grief, so taking a step back, if that is what Bruno prefers, is one of the most painful things for you at this stage. But you help Bruno more if you respect his own wishes and feelings.

My thoughts are with you.
 
I would like your opinion if that's okay @Wiebke as I don't know the 100% ins and outs of piggie grief. Bruno is eating but he looks very incredibly sad and lost, which is very understandable because I am too. I have enquired and let the lady know at cavy corner the situation, had a good chat with her. She has said that based on describing Bruno to her, that she has a pair of ladies that she reckons would suit him. She has an appointment tomorrow morning to where we would be able to meet the ladies and if a good match, bring them home and bond them with Bruno under her guidance. I don't know if its too soon is the thing, I've never ever known Bruno to be so withdrawn but he has also never lost his friend before. We are happy to go and get him some lovely wives, but only if its the right thing to do. He does like attention from us as he's always been a mummy's boy, but he also seems very lonely and lost without a friend
 
This being said I'll be happy to schedule an appointment for next week if it is too soon, it's just so hard not to feel bad for him. He's not a piggie that likes to be alone at all, even when out of the cage with us he always needed to be with Ozzy. We have made a lovely space for Ozzy on the bed side table, just waiting for the call to get him back. I miss my little one so much, just really worried about Bruno and how hard he is taking it as well 😕 a heartbroken piggie really is awful to watch. But I also don't want to do the wrong thing by him, as its a first time loss it does feel like I'm getting things wrong, even by trying to do the right thing.
 
I would like your opinion if that's okay @Wiebke as I don't know the 100% ins and outs of piggie grief. Bruno is eating but he looks very incredibly sad and lost, which is very understandable because I am too. I have enquired and let the lady know at cavy corner the situation, had a good chat with her. She has said that based on describing Bruno to her, that she has a pair of ladies that she reckons would suit him. She has an appointment tomorrow morning to where we would be able to meet the ladies and if a good match, bring them home and bond them with Bruno under her guidance. I don't know if its too soon is the thing, I've never ever known Bruno to be so withdrawn but he has also never lost his friend before. We are happy to go and get him some lovely wives, but only if its the right thing to do. He does like attention from us as he's always been a mummy's boy, but he also seems very lonely and lost without a friend

By all means, go for it. :yahoo:

Sue Tate at Cavy Corner really knows her stuff and has all the bonding experience you could wish for. She is by far the most safest of hands you can be in in the whole area. I have been to Cavy Corner events in Doncaster quite a few times before hub fell ill and the train journey from Coventry became rather expensive.

It sadly sounds like Bruno is not coping well with his grief, so finding him company quickly and at the shorter end is majorly going to help him; especially as you will only come home with company where acceptance has happened.

I've had some piggies like him who could not cope well with being on their own at all and have always looked for quick companionship, either by adopting or finding a Tribe-internal situation if at all possible.

Is Bruno neutered then? I am sure that he will be ever so happy to have ladies - and you will be happy with taking your own piggy journey into a new direction that won't take anything away from Ozzy and that won't feel like you are replacing him but that with its very different dynamics and behaviours will give a whole new world to discover and enjoy.
 
By all means, go for it. :yahoo:

Sue Tate at Cavy Corner really knows her stuff and has all the bonding experience you could wish for. She is by far the most safest of hands you can be in in the whole area. I have been to Cavy Corner events in Doncaster quite a few times before hub fell ill and the train journey from Coventry became rather expensive.

It sadly sounds like Bruno is not coping well with his grief, so finding him company quickly and at the shorter end is majorly going to help him; especially as you will only come home with company where acceptance has happened.

I've had some piggies like him who could not cope well with being on their own at all and have always looked for quick companionship, either by adopting or finding a Tribe-internal situation if at all possible.

Is Bruno neutered then? I am sure that he will be ever so happy to have ladies - and you will be happy with taking your own piggy journey into a new direction that won't take anything away from Ozzy and that won't feel like you are replacing him but that with its very different dynamics and behaviours will give a whole new world to discover and enjoy.
Thank you so much for your reassurance. Bruno and Ozzy were both neutered at the same time a few years ago. The things that still smell of Ozzy, or the cage, how would you go about this? I would love for everything to go smoothly for little Bruno. I haven't felt like any decision I've been making is the right one, but I will grieve in my own time, Bruno comes first 💖
 
Thank you so much for your reassurance. Bruno and Ozzy were both neutered at the same time a few years ago. The things that still smell of Ozzy, or the cage, how would you go about this? I would love for everything to go smoothly for little Bruno. I haven't felt like any decision I've been making is the right one, but I will grieve in my own time, Bruno comes first 💖

Please clean the cage before you leave but Bruno can travel in Ozzy's cozy. Bruno will come home with new company, so he has to set up his own new group in their new territory.

Please have a second carrier for any sows and do not bring them home in the same carrier, in case one of the sows suddenly panics which could lead to defence bites and a panic fight as they are not fully bonded at this stage.

Set up a temporary bonding pen outside the cage where they can continue their bonding on neutral ground before you take them to the deep-cleaned cage (including furniture). If needed, let them settle together in the bonding pen overnight. The more they are bonded before you move them to their forever territory, the less dominance and shenanigans you will get once you move them to their forever territory. It pays to take your time and not rush this stage, going by my own ample experiences. What you lose initially, you gain later on. You can never count on what 'luggage' rescue piggies come with.

Make sure that the bonding pen only has got a blanket over the top and back sides with a big hay pile in the middle and access to water in two different places but no furniture that could be hogged and that the cage only has huts and short tunnels with two exits during the first two weeks of territorial group establishment - the more open the housing the less flash points for problems.

Sprinkle-feed around the cage and have bottles in more than one place so there can't be any hogging.

Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated Bonding Dynamics and Behaviours

Reacting to group or territorial changes: Dominance and group establishment/re-establishment


Sows: Behaviour and Female Health Problems (including mounting and ovarian cysts)

Guinea Pig Behaviours in their Context

I am delighted and am keeping my fingers firmly crossed. So glad that Bruno has all the options open, including being able to live directly with sows. He will be in boar heaven even when he gets told off by the girls... :love:
 
Please clean the cage before you leave but Bruno can travel in Ozzy's cozy. Bruno will come home with new company, so he has to set up his own new group in their new territory.

Please have a second carrier for any sows and do not bring them home in the same carrier, in case one of the sows suddenly panics which could lead to defence bites and a panic fight as they are not fully bonded at this stage.

Set up a temporary bonding pen outside the cage where they can continue their bonding on neutral ground before you take them to the deep-cleaned cage (including furniture). If needed, let them settle together in the bonding pen overnight. The more they are bonded before you move them to their forever territory, the less dominance and shenanigans you will get once you move them to their forever territory. It pays to take your time and not rush this stage, going by my own ample experiences. What you lose initially, you gain later on. You can never count on what 'luggage' rescue piggies come with.

Make sure that the bonding pen only has got a blanket over the top and back sides with a big hay pile in the middle and access to water in two different places but no furniture that could be hogged and that the cage only has huts and short tunnels with two exits during the first two weeks of territorial group establishment - the more open the housing the less flash points for problems.

Sprinkle-feed around the cage and have bottles in more than one place so there can't be any hogging.

Bonding and Interaction: Illustrated Bonding Dynamics and Behaviours

Reacting to group or territorial changes: Dominance and group establishment/re-establishment


Sows: Behaviour and Female Health Problems (including mounting and ovarian cysts)

Guinea Pig Behaviours in their Context

I am delighted and am keeping my fingers firmly crossed. So glad that Bruno has all the options open, including being able to live directly with sows. He will be in boar heaven even when he gets told off by the girls... :love:
Thank you 😊 I've just been on the phone to the blue cross help line that you linked, had a good cry to the lady and she really did help. The arrangement that I've made with Sue is that Bruno will stay at home, and I will bring the girls home to him. She will guide us step by step on how to bond them and hopefully Bruno will be getting told off by his girls. She said to deep clean the cage and not have Bruno in it, so he will not see it as only his
 
Thank you 😊 I've just been on the phone to the blue cross help line that you linked, had a good cry to the lady and she really did help. The arrangement that I've made with Sue is that Bruno will stay at home, and I will bring the girls home to him. She will guide us step by step on how to bond them and hopefully Bruno will be getting told off by his girls. She said to deep clean the cage and not have Bruno in it, so he will not see it as only his

I am glad that the Blue Cross line (UK only charity) has helped you. ❤️

Please remove all furniture during the bonding; it is the biggest flash-point for problems as piggies can get possessive about them. Start as neutral and as minimal as possible.

Personally, I prefer to start intros with a lawn run in the kitchen or at the far end of our lounge from the piggy half, so it is all new to them and they meet on neutral ground. I also prefer to give new adoptee arrivals for bonding at least some time with a divider so they can get their bearings - it depends on their body language how quickly I progress but then I have adopted quite a number of 'unbondable' rescue piggies to help free up much needed cage space and haven found them all company eventually.

But Sue knows her sows and has done this hundreds of times so I am sure that she can talk you through it. :tu:
 
What a lovely solution for Bruno, you are so lucky to have Cavy Corner close by. I hope the bonding goes well, lucky Bruno having 2 wives.
 
Good luck and I hope it works out well with the bonding.

I just wanted to say that I don’t think you’ve made any bad decisions at all (referring to your earlier post) but I know how much having an ill piggy and losing one can knock our confidence, as I’ve been there myself. You start to question everything don’t you. Take care and trust your judgement as you are a brilliant piggy parent.

And you have lots of support here for the bonding phase too.
 
I am glad that the Blue Cross line (UK only charity) has helped you. ❤️

Please remove all furniture during the bonding; it is the biggest flash-point for problems as piggies can get possessive about them. Start as neutral and as minimal as possible.

Personally, I prefer to start intros with a lawn run in the kitchen or at the far end of our lounge from the piggy half, so it is all new to them and they meet on neutral ground. I also prefer to give new adoptee arrivals for bonding at least some time with a divider so they can get their bearings - it depends on their body language how quickly I progress but then I have adopted quite a number of 'unbondable' rescue piggies to help free up much needed cage space and haven found them all company eventually.

But Sue knows her sows and has done this hundreds of times so I am sure that she can talk you through it. :tu:
Thank you so much, just been to Tesco for some noodle mats. And to pets at home for some cleaning spray as well as hay top ups etc. Lots of snow here so with quite a bit of sliding I made it back. Very nervous for tomorrow, but it'll all be worth it. Going to have another few reads through the bonding guides 😊
 
What a lovely solution for Bruno, you are so lucky to have Cavy Corner close by. I hope the bonding goes well, lucky Bruno having 2 wives.
Good luck and I hope it works out well with the bonding.

I just wanted to say that I don’t think you’ve made any bad decisions at all (referring to your earlier post) but I know how much having an ill piggy and losing one can knock our confidence, as I’ve been there myself. You start to question everything don’t you. Take care and trust your judgement as you are a brilliant piggy parent.

And you have lots of support here for the bonding phase too.
Thank you both for your lovely posts. I'll be sure to post pigtures once we get to that point. Going to go very slow and make sure there's definitely acceptance. @LucyP it definitely does knock our confidence, I'm so grateful for the support on the piggie forum
 
Thank you so much, just been to Tesco for some noodle mats. And to pets at home for some cleaning spray as well as hay top ups etc. Lots of snow here so with quite a bit of sliding I made it back. Very nervous for tomorrow, but it'll all be worth it. Going to have another few reads through the bonding guides 😊

Take good care tomorrow.

Your boys (and hopefully new girls) are going to be so lucky to have found you. ❤️
 
Take good care tomorrow.

Your boys (and hopefully new girls) are going to be so lucky to have found you. ❤️
Thank you so much 💖 this is a very silly question, but in pets at home I know the lady so I explained the situation. I asked her for a suitable carrier, she gave me a huge box that is used to bring bunnies home. Is this acceptable for transporting them? I don't want to offend Sue by turning up with a box. Can absolutely clean our carrier out, just didn't have the heart to tell her that the box might not be great
 
Thank you so much 💖 this is a very silly question, but in pets at home I know the lady so I explained the situation. I asked her for a suitable carrier, she gave me a huge box that is used to bring bunnies home. Is this acceptable for transporting them? I don't want to offend Sue by turning up with a box. Can absolutely clean our carrier out, just didn't have the heart to tell her that the box might not be great

Please wipe out the carrier and use a new mat or the old washed lining.

Having a faint whiff of piggies won't hurt because it tells the girls that other piggies have been there, which acts as a reassurance. ;)

And no, this is not a silly question. A cardboard box can be used but a carrier is sturdier.

PS: Here is our advice on travelling with piggies; including extreme weather tips.
Travelling with guinea pigs

This link here is one you may want to bookmark; it the access link to our whole information collection: Comprehensive Owners' Practical and Supportive Information Collection
 
Please wipe out the carrier and use a new mat or the old washed lining.

Having a faint whiff of piggies won't hurt because it tells the girls that other piggies have been there, which acts as a reassurance. ;)
Will do 😊 Thank you
 
We have picked up our girls. Mum and daughter Raven and Wren. Absolutely beautiful girls 🥰 Sue is absolutely lovely and gave us everything we needed. Can really tell how much love and care goes into each piggie there, shes told us her method of bonding and we will begin when we're home. We will get Ozzy back next week, and the lovely man said he will send me a text when it begins and when it ends, so that I can be part of it too. Really emotional day, but this will be a lovely new adventure for Bruno, and for us too
 
We have picked up our girls. Mum and daughter Raven and Wren. Absolutely beautiful girls 🥰 Sue is absolutely lovely and gave us everything we needed. Can really tell how much love and care goes into each piggie there, shes told us her method of bonding and we will begin when we're home. We will get Ozzy back next week, and the lovely man said he will send me a text when it begins and when it ends, so that I can be part of it too. Really emotional day, but this will be a lovely new adventure for Bruno, and for us too

My own husboar Bran (Raven) and old lady Dryw (Wren) are sending big wheeks for a successful bonding!
Looking forward to pictures.

PS: Please do not feel guilty or have a bad conscience enjoying your new journey with Bruno and the girls whilst still grieving for Ozzy - the two can run in parallel even though it may feel like you have lost your middle ground for a little while. The girls are not replacing Ozzy; they are starting their very own journey. Nor will Ozzy ever lose his special place in your heart. Each bond is unique and cannot take away from any other.
If you do struggle, you may find this very thoughtful and insightful post from another forum member helpful: On grief, and hope

If it helps you, you can post on here during Ozzy's cremation so we can have a little wake for him.
 
My own husboar Bran (Raven) and old lady Dryw (Wren) are sending big wheeks for a successful bonding!
Looking forward to pictures.

PS: Please do not feel guilty or have a bad conscience enjoying your new journey with Bruno and the girls whilst still grieving for Ozzy - the two can run in parallel even though it may feel like you have lost your middleground for a little while. The girls are not replacing Ozzy; they are starting their very own journey. Nor will Ozzy ever lose his special place in your heart. Each bond is unique and cannot take away from any other.
If you do struggle, you may find this very thoughtful and insightful post from another forum member helpful: On grief, and hope

If it helps you, you can post on here during Ozzy's cremation so we can have a little wake for him.
Thank you so much, its what I'm reminding myself of too. Its a new journey and Ozzy will be thought of every step of the way. I did initially feel guilt, but he will never be forgotten. Bruno deserves happiness and if its a chance to give these two lovely little ones a good home and husboar, its such a good thing 💖 I will post pictures, and I'd absolutely love a wake for Ozzy, thank you 🤗
 
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