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My Guinea pig ( american type) is eating poor. He has lost 50 grams of weight. Jos poops are like sausage link. He is almost 6 years old. Today se go to the vet but he does not seem to have given it importance. He only told me that I have to give him his food in small pieces or feed him with powder that is prepared with water and used for small birds. I am not very convinced. I don't have another vet of exotics :( Any adviced? In the weekend is very dificult and here there are many restrictions due to pandemic
 
I read mosapride can be help to increase the motility of ileum, stomach, etc. I has got that medication for my sons. Maybe i can give that to My Guinea pig. I
 
Please do not give any medication to your guinea pig which was meant for your child - you could inadvertently make your piggy worse

Any digestive disturbance means you need to stop giving veggies to your piggy and only feed hay. You will also need to syringe feed your guinea pig either his normal pellets which you will need to mush up with water, or a herbivore recovery food such as Oxbow critical care. Please do not give anything to your piggy which is meant for birds.

Your piggy does need a proper diagnosis from a vet and depending on the diagnosis, some proper medication.

Not Eating, Weight Loss And The Importance Of Syringe Feeding Fibre
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Please do not give any medication to your guinea pig which was meant for your child - you could inadvertently make your piggy worse

Any digestive disturbance means you need to stop giving veggies to your piggy and only feed hay. You will also need to syringe feed your guinea pig either his normal pellets which you will need to mush up with water, or a herbivore recovery food such as Oxbow critical care. Please do not give anything to your piggy which is meant for birds.

Your piggy does need a proper diagnosis from a vet and depending on the diagnosis, some proper medication.

Not Eating, Weight Loss And The Importance Of Syringe Feeding Fibre
Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
Probiotics, Recovery Foods And Vitamin C: Overview With Product Links
Hi, can be alfalfa hay? Thanks
 

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And this is the "critical care" that vet give us. The ingredients are un spanish. May be useful? Thanks a Lot. IMG_20200926_081849.webp
 
I don’t know Spanish, but I have just used google to translate a couple of the ingredients and from what I have seen, this is entirely unsuitable to be fed to guinea pigs - do not feed it. It seems to contain wheat, honey and some kind of yeast - none of these ingredients are safe for guinea pigs

You need a hay based/fibre rich recovery food suitable for herbivores such as Oxbow Critical Care, Emeraid or supreme science recovery food.
Probiotics, Recovery Foods And Vitamin C: Overview With Product Links

What pellets do you normally feed them? Piggies should eat a plain guinea pig pellet - in the absence of the correct recovery feed, you can mush up their normal pellets with water and syringe feed the mush to a poorly piggy. Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
 
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Hi, can be alfalfa hay? Thanks

Guinea pigs should not eat alfalfa hay. They need a grass hay and alfalfa is not grass hay. Alfalfa is a legume and is far too high in calcium to be fed to piggies (too much calcium can lead to the formation of bladder stones)
 
Please put your guinea pigs on a good grass hay (and not alfalfa/lucerne based) diet. Alfalfa is a legume and too high in calcium and protein to be fed long term; it can contribute to the formation of bladder stones. Only feed a balanced mix of ideally mostly green veg and fresh herbs, not more than ca. 50g/one small bowl full and 1 tablespoon of pellets on a daily basis.
Here is our diet guide link, which looks at all food groups (water, hay (ca. 80% of what your guinea pigs eat in one day) and fresh dog pee free grass, veg (15% with a picture of a balanced diet), pellets (ca. 5%), healthy and unhealthy treats: Long Term Balanced General And Special Needs Guinea Pig Diets

If your poos are a bit strange, then please stop feeding veg and only feed grass hay for a couple of days in order to allow the bad bacteria in the gut to settle down and the good bacteria that normally do the digestion take over again.
See a vet if the poos don't start looking a lot better within 24 hours off any free food or if your boy continues to get worse quickly. Always see a vet immediately within 24 hours if you are dealing with runny poos.
Digestive Disorders: Diarrhea - Bloat - GI Stasis (No Gut Movement) And Not Eating

Please never home treat by guess with human medication. But try to calm down; what you are reporting is still in the range of a mild tummy upset that will hopefully correct itself. ;)

PS: Could you please add 'Spain' to your location. We have literally got members and enquiries from all over the world, and not all will know which country Cordoba is in. Thank you!
 
Guinea pigs should not eat alfalfa hay. They need a grass hay and alfalfa is not grass hay. Alfalfa is a legume and is far too high in calcium to be fed to piggies (too much calcium can lead to the formation of bladder stones)
Ok. He like fresh grass. In these days is only
I don’t know Spanish, but I have just used google to translate a couple of the ingredients and from what I have seen, this is entirely unsuitable to be fed to guinea pigs - do not feed it. It seems to contain wheat, honey and some kind of yeast - none of these ingredients are safe for guinea pigs

You need a hay based/fibre rich recovery food suitable for herbivores such as Oxbow Critical Care, Emeraid or supreme science recovery food.
Probiotics, Recovery Foods And Vitamin C: Overview With Product Links

What pellets do you normally feed them? Piggies should eat a plain guinea pig pellet - in the absence of the correct recovery feed, you can mush up their normal pellets with water and syringe feed the mush to a poorly piggy. Complete Syringe Feeding Guide
okay. On normal days he eats good fresh grass in our garden, and then in his cage he eats his "pienso" (i don't know how translate ir), fresh vegetables such as carrots, lettuce, tomato, orange, pepper. On these bad days the only thing he eats with enthusiasm is fresh grass. So, which of these things can I feed him ?
 
Ok. He like fresh grass. In these days is only
okay. On normal days he eats good fresh grass in our garden, and then in his cage he eats his "pienso" (i don't know how translate ir), fresh vegetables such as carrots, lettuce, tomato, orange, pepper. On these bad days the only thing he eats with enthusiasm is fresh grass. So, which of these things can I feed him ?

Carrots, tomatoes and oranges should only be fed once per week - they are too high in sugar and acid to feature as a regular part of their diet.
Piggies need hay as 80% of their diet. It is the main part of their diet and should be available to them constantly. Fresh grass can also be given. They then have just 50g of veg per day, and one tablespoon of pellets.

However, while your piggy is poorly and has a digestive upset, he cannot be fed any fresh grass or vegetables and must only eat hay until it tummy settles and poops return to normal.
 
Ok. He like fresh grass. In these days is only
okay. On normal days he eats good fresh grass in our garden, and then in his cage he eats his "pienso" (i don't know how translate ir), fresh vegetables such as carrots, lettuce, tomato, orange, pepper. On these bad days the only thing he eats with enthusiasm is fresh grass. So, which of these things can I feed him ?

Pienso translates as general word for feed or fodder. Are you feeding all the same looking pellets or a dry mix/muesli of different bits? We strongly recommend to feed all same looking pellets in order to prevent selective eating, which can have life shortening consequences as research in rabbits has shown. It is very much the same for guinea pigs.

Please go easy on carrots (like feeding a bar of chocolate for rabbits and guinea pigs), tomatos and any fruit (can cause lip infection, cheilitis).
Please rather feed a little fresh herb like cilantro/coriander, parsley, dill, mint, basil, fennel etc. - they are rich in trace elements and cucumber for fluids on those days you don't have access to grass or it is very dry and hot. These are a healthier substitute for for carrot and fruit (tomato is a fruit, too); carrot and fruit are a special treat like cake is for humans.
Don't worry about vitamin C. Fresh green grass is very high in vitamin C (which is the reason why guinea pigs have never had to make their own) and grass hay also contains it. So the more hay and grass your guinea pig eats, the better. Herbs take the place of wild plants that guinea pigs would nibble to supplement their diet. Cucumber and lettuce (no please not much spinach, cavolo/kale or arugula/rocket) are there to provide extra fluid, which can help minimise the risk of bladder stones. You can feed a little kale once a week as the diet needs some calcium; too little is as bad as too much.
 
Pienso translates as general word for feed or fodder. Are you feeding all the same looking pellets or a dry mix/muesli of different bits? We strongly recommend to feed all same looking pellets in order to prevent selective eating, which can have life shortening consequences as research in rabbits has shown. It is very much the same for guinea pigs.

Please go easy on carrots (like feeding a bar of chocolate for rabbits and guinea pigs), tomatos and any fruit (can cause lip infection, cheilitis).
Please rather feed a little fresh herb like cilantro/coriander, parsley, dill, mint, basil, fennel etc. - they are rich in trace elements and cucumber for fluids on those days you don't have access to grass or it is very dry and hot. These are a healthier substitute for for carrot and fruit (tomato is a fruit, too); carrot and fruit are a special treat like cake is for humans.
Don't worry about vitamin C. Fresh green grass is very high in vitamin C (which is the reason why guinea pigs have never had to make their own) and grass hay also contains it. So the more hay and grass your guinea pig eats, the better. Herbs take the place of wild plants that guinea pigs would nibble to supplement their diet. Cucumber and lettuce (no please not much spinach, cavolo/kale or arugula/rocket) are there to provide extra fluid, which can help minimise the risk of bladder stones. You can feed a little kale once a week as the diet needs some calcium; too little is as bad as too much.
This is "pienso":
 

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This is "pienso":

Thank you. Are these guinea pig specific and what are the ingredients?

Unfortunately, they don't look like they make a good paste to feed your guinea pig. Please mix the small animal recovery formula that your vet has given you and feed that. It should OK to give for a very short time until you can get something better.

A guinea pig that is not eating at all, needs 40-60 ml of the mix in 24 hours (5-10 ml every 2 hours in the day and then 1-2 times in the night); a guinea pig that still eats a little on their own and is willing to take syringe feed, will need 3 times a day 15-20 ml of syringe feed. You monitor the weight by weighing once daily first thing in the morning before you feed breakfast.
 
Thank you. Are these guinea pig specific and what are the ingredients?

Unfortunately, they don't look like they make a good paste to feed your guinea pig. Please mix the small animal recovery formula that your vet has given you and feed that. It is OK to give.

@Wiebke the recovery feed appears to be for birds, not small animals.
It contains flour, yeast, egg and honey if my google translation of the ingredients is correct?
 
@AnaMT : Do you have a pet shop where you live where you can look for international pellet brands like Oxbow or Versele Laga?
 
Just wanted to double check as I don’t know Spanish and was concerned about feeding such ingredients to a guinea pig!
@AnaMT : Do you have a pet shop where you live where you can look for international pellet brands like Oxbow or Versele Laga?

Indeed that powder gave me the vet of exotics. It has honey, egss, wheat flour, many vitamins, etc. Unfortunately here in Cordoba, Argentina, the vet of exotics are not abundant. And don't sell anything like herbivore recovery food, either (like Oxbow). I feel so sad and frustrated. I have cried all night.
Also, now we are with many problems due to the covid and there are not many services. I really really appreciate the help you are giving me, I have read everything. The "pienso" is for rabbits. According to what I have at my disposal, I will give him his "pienso" + water (it has formed a paste) and we have made him a syringe for that mission (photo). I also have some pasture hay left (not alfalfa), that's what you can see in the photo too. Will it be ok then to give him just this for a few days? And I'm seeing how their poops are going...
 

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Indeed that powder gave me the vet of exotics. It has honey, egss, wheat flour, many vitamins, etc. Unfortunately here in Cordoba, Argentina, the vet of exotics are not abundant. And don't sell anything like herbivore recovery food, either (like Oxbow). I feel so sad and frustrated. I have cried all night.
Also, now we are with many problems due to the covid and there are not many services. I really really appreciate the help you are giving me, I have read everything. The "pienso" is for rabbits. According to what I have at my disposal, I will give him his "pienso" + water (it has formed a paste) and we have made him a syringe for that mission (photo). I also have some pasture hay left (not alfalfa), that's what you can see in the photo too. Will it be ok then to give him just this for a few days? And I'm seeing how their poops are going...

Can you please add your country to your account details on the top bar. Vet access and access to international guinea pig brands are a lot better in Spain than in Argentina. And as we are based in the United Kingdom, when we read Cordoba, we think firstly of Spain!

Good that you can turn the pienso into a paste; try to top him up with that. You can dissolve 1/8 of a human vitamin C tablet in 1 ml of water once a day and syringe that if he stops eating altogether. Rabbits can make their own vitamin C, so it is generally not added to rabbit food.
Yes, the pasture hay is great - he should actually mainly live on an unlimited supply of grass/pasture all the time.
 
You are doing your best and you are a very caring and loving guinea pig owner. The fact that your boy is a very good old age at 6 years speaks for you!

We just have to help you how to make the best of what you can do where you are and in the current situation. My first childhood guinea pigs go back to the 70ies when vet care and general knowledge were very limited. You can only ever do the best you can in any circumstances; but it is never a reflection of being a bad or a good owner.

You give your boy the hay, as much as he will eat and as much softened pienso as he will take. His poos will hopefully normalise in a day or two.
 
Hi. My piggy seems to be doing better. Their poops have improved. There are some normal ones, some with links (just a couple) and some a little soft but no diarrhea. He's eating fresh grass, "pienso", and some vegetables.

I was remembering and about a month ago he had already pooped sausage links style, only once. We thought he had swallowed a thread, because we did not know about these problems. After that everything normal until now. However he has been losing weight for several months ago. Since may until now he has lost 50 grams. It was not something suddenly. Maybe all because of his age? (almost 6 years old). How can we know if he have any internal disease? Is that possible or does it happen more suddenly? The vet said that at his age it is not advisable to draw blood for studies. He never had digestive problems and his diet was always very varied, perhaps too much. I would need to ask you about somewhere where you specify exactly what vegetables, fruits and other foods they can eat, and their amounts or times per week.

He hates going to the vet. After each visit he is very agitated, he becomes in the shape of a ball and his fur rises. Stop eating for a few hours. Really stressed.

We are realizing that he's old piggy. That is painful. He doesn't have so much fur anymore and he likes to sleep more. Surely we have to have more controlled his diet. I attachment photos of Cobi today. Thanks you so much.
 

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Hi. My piggy seems to be doing better. Their poops have improved. There are some normal ones, some with links (just a couple) and some a little soft but no diarrhea. He's eating fresh grass, "pienso", and some vegetables.

I was remembering and about a month ago he had already pooped sausage links style, only once. We thought he had swallowed a thread, because we did not know about these problems. After that everything normal until now. However he has been losing weight for several months ago. Since may until now he has lost 50 grams. It was not something suddenly. Maybe all because of his age? (almost 6 years old). How can we know if he have any internal disease? Is that possible or does it happen more suddenly? The vet said that at his age it is not advisable to draw blood for studies. He never had digestive problems and his diet was always very varied, perhaps too much. I would need to ask you about somewhere where you specify exactly what vegetables, fruits and other foods they can eat, and their amounts or times per week.

He hates going to the vet. After each visit he is very agitated, he becomes in the shape of a ball and his fur rises. Stop eating for a few hours. Really stressed.

We are realizing that he's old piggy. That is painful. He doesn't have so much fur anymore and he likes to sleep more. Surely we have to have more controlled his diet. I attachment photos of Cobi today. Thanks you so much.

Hi!

That is good news; the gut is obviously rebalancing. Please continue the diet until 48 hours after the poos have full normalised. Then start re-introducing fresh veg gradually and slowly. I find a little fresh herb the best for the first meal. You can add more veg with every passing meal as long as the poos stay firm. In older guinea pigs there can be a sensitivity to certain foods. We recommended to stay away from high sugar foods like carrot or sweet corn and also from any grain containing products. This can help but what a piggy is reacting to can vary individually.

We only speak of weight loss after 50g since the daily swing between a full bladder (which can weigh up to 10g) and full belly after a meal (can add another 30g) is about 30-40g over the course of a day.

A gradual loss of 50g in a 6 year old is perfectly normal, as long as there are no signs of any illness, pain or stiffness (arthritis) etc.
If the slow weight loss continues to 100g of lost weight or his digestive problems persist, then please see a vet for a check.
Early Signs Of Illness
Weight - Monitoring and Management
Emergency, Crisis and Bridging Care until a Vet Appointment
 
Thanks for the replies. You are helping us a lot.

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my little pig has improved his digestive system. What I've noticed lately (maybe he's been doing it for several days but now I'm more attentive) is his breathing. I upload a video so you can see him. I have not noticed any mucus or any kind of noise in his breathing. It's just that somewhat jerky movement when he's breathing.

He eats well, he is not very active but he has been that way for months (he is almost 6 years old). Because here in Argentina there is not much knowledge of exotics (remember that the exotic vet gave me recovery food for little birds), I would like to know your opinion and what do you advise to do, beyond obviously taking it to the vet, so that I can suggest him some medication o precedures. I repeat, not much is known about these animals here.

Please tell me if you can see the videos. Thank you
 
Thanks for the replies. You are helping us a lot.

Update:
my little pig has improved his digestive system. What I've noticed lately (maybe he's been doing it for several days but now I'm more attentive) is his breathing. I upload a video so you can see him. I have not noticed any mucus or any kind of noise in his breathing. It's just that somewhat jerky movement when he's breathing.

He eats well, he is not very active but he has been that way for months (he is almost 6 years old). Because here in Argentina there is not much knowledge of exotics (remember that the exotic vet gave me recovery food for little birds), I would like to know your opinion and what do you advise to do, beyond obviously taking it to the vet, so that I can suggest him some medication o precedures. I repeat, not much is known about these animals here.

Please tell me if you can see the videos. Thank you

Hi!

That kind of breathing from the diaphragma usually means that your piggy struggles to breathe for some reason; usually because of either a build-up of fluid in either the lungs or the chest cavity. It means a vet trip and a careful investigation into where the fluid is located and what may be causing it; none of the potential causes very nice, unfortunately. Lung disease or pneumonia, a failing heart, kidneys or another inner organ or a tumorous growth pressing on the heart can cause it.

Your piggy may need a diuretic like furosemide (which is a very common heart drug) to help drain the fluid and ease the breathing. The dosage is tiny, though. You best grind up a tablet and then mix it with water. You mix with as many millilitres of water that there are dosages in one tablet, shake well again before use and then just give 1 ml of the mix at a time. This is the safest way of getting a reliable amount.

Otherwise medication depends on whether your vet suspects pneumonia. An antibiotic should also be given. Please make sure that your vet does NOT prescribe any penicillin (fatal for rodents) or gives a steroid injection (slows down organs in rodents). Antibiotics can impact on the gut microbiome as well as the bacteria in the lungs, so you may need to syringe feed.
For heart problems, vetmedin may additionally help.
If painkillers are needed, meloxicam is best. If the kidney and liver are healthy, carprofen/rimadyl can also be safely prescribed.

You may ask your vet to have a look at these links here if your vet is not experienced with guinea pigs or has any access to guinea pig specific veterinary information. It may be good for you to bookmark the links or print them out.
Safe antibiotics: Guinea Lynx :: Antibiotics (including how to compute a safe dosage for guinea pigs)
Dangerous medications: http://www.guinealynx.info/dangerous_medications.html; convenia antibiotic is also fatal for guinea pigs.
More information on what is safe or not for guinea pigs: Guinea Lynx :: Medical Guide
The Problems With Steroids And Why They Shouldn't Be Used.
 
Ok thanks. I have written everything. How can you know if your liver and kidneys are fine? since in the consultation on Friday the vet told us that he is old enough to draw blood.
 
Ok thanks. I have written everything. How can you know if your liver and kidneys are fine? since in the consultation on Friday the vet told us that he is old enough to draw blood.

Hi!

Please do NEVER ask any vet not experienced with guinea pigs to draw blood; done wrongly it can be fatal - and it is very easy to get it wrong! :(
There is not much you can do for a piggy with liver or kidney failure medically anyway; I have lost a number of piggies that way over the years despite having access to good vet care. I would personally not chance taking bloods as the ratio of risk to successful treatment is sadly not good even if you had access to a supervet clinic. :(

What is reasonable is to take a scan with as limited GA your vet can get away with to see what is going on and whether or where there is a build up of fluid. Brace for the fact that the fluid can mask what is going on deeper in the body and that apart from the diuretics your vat may not be able to do too much.

We can unfortunately never choose when and in which way the fast metabolism of guinea pigs is turning against them and what is going wrong in their aging body first.
 
Hello, I have taken my pig to another vet. He has checked him, he has not noticed abdominal pain but he has noticed fluid in the lungs when he heard him. He has indicated an ultrasound but I still can't get an appointment (with that we will see the heart and all the data that it can give us). He has prescribed enrofloxacin antibiotic 0.08ml every 12 hours for 10 days and nebulizations. He told me that he doesn't use diuretics because they damage the kidneys. I repeat, here in Argentina there are no specialized vets, I have also bought 20 mg furosemide tablets. IF I give him 4.25 mg per day is it ok? My little pig weighs 865 grams.
And what do you think of the antibiotic? It's ok?

Thanks
 
Hello, I have taken my pig to another vet. He has checked him, he has not noticed abdominal pain but he has noticed fluid in the lungs when he heard him. He has indicated an ultrasound but I still can't get an appointment (with that we will see the heart and all the data that it can give us). He has prescribed enrofloxacin antibiotic 0.08ml every 12 hours for 10 days and nebulizations. He told me that he doesn't use diuretics because they damage the kidneys. I repeat, here in Argentina there are no specialized vets, I have also bought 20 mg furosemide tablets. IF I give him 4.25 mg per day is it ok? My little pig weighs 865 grams.
And what do you think of the antibiotic? It's ok?

Thanks

Hi!

Enrofloxacin is the active ingredient in baytril, which is the officially licensed antibiotic in guinea pigs. You can find it in your safe medications link, which includes a chapter on safe antibiotics with their active ingredients.

Other members can help you better with practical tips and experiences. on nebulising than I since I haven't had a piggy with URI or pneumonia in a very long time; in fact before nebulising has come on the scene. What you can do immediately, is place a bowl of steaming water next to the cage.

It can be that something else is going on, which is why your new vet wanted a scan to see whether there is something that connects the symptoms you have been experiencing.

PS: I am not qualified to answer your furosemide question since I am not medically trained. I would strongly recommend to see how you get on with the baytril and nebulising first. Heart drugs need very careful handling re. dosing. I would only use it as a last ditch measure.
Please be aware that we are a UK based forum where prescription only medication like furosemide can only be dispensed by vets. We get into legally hot water otherwise. But glad that you have been seen by a vet who is a bit more clued up!
 
Hi!

Enrofloxacin is the active ingredient in baytril, which is the officially licensed antibiotic in guinea pigs. You can find it in your safe medications link, which includes a chapter on safe antibiotics with their active ingredients.

Other members can help you better with practical tips and experiences. on nebulising than I since I haven't had a piggy with URI or pneumonia in a very long time; in fact before nebulising has come on the scene. What you can do immediately, is place a bowl of steaming water next to the cage.

It can be that something else is going on, which is why your new vet wanted a scan to see whether there is something that connects the symptoms you have been experiencing.

PS: I am not qualified to answer your furosemide question since I am not medically trained. I would strongly recommend to see how you get on with the baytril and nebulising first. Heart drugs need very careful handling re. dosing. I would only use it as a last ditch measure.
Please be aware that we are a UK based forum where prescription only medication like furosemide can only be dispensed by vets. We get into legally hot water otherwise. But glad that you have been seen by a vet who is a bit more clued up!
OK thanks! I have started with antibiotic and nebulizations. I have read the section on probiotics and searched here but it is not found because it doesnt exists. So can I make him soup from his poop? I pick up the poop that he does, mix it with water and give it to him?
 
OK thanks! I have started with antibiotic and nebulizations. I have read the section on probiotics and searched here but it is not found because it doesnt exists. So can I make him soup from his poop? I pick up the poop that he does, mix it with water and give it to him?

Please be aware that most of the probiotic brands are UK brand names. Do have access to bene-bac?
Unfortunately you can only make poo soup from the poos of healthy guinea pigs that are not on medication and that have a healthy digestion; especially not antibiotics. Do you have access to human probiotics from a pharmacy? We normally not recommend it but is likely the only digestive support product you can lay your hands on.
 
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