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How do I know if it's just hormonal girls or I need to seperate?

There's a lot of rumbling and some squabbles but never blood or biting badly :( I've removed their hidey from them and replaced it with a better one. I'll see if it carries on but should I get some more grids and seperate them ? I don't want them to be seperate but I'd hate for them to end up getting hurt. If I do have to seperate them I'll have 3 seperate pigs which is awful :(

Just dunno what to do they seem to get on fine most of the time it's just like a little rumble with each other and a loud squeak from Noodle. Noodle seems like she's more energetic that MoMo but Mo is the dominant pig. Unless this can change?

If we go up stairs and see them they rumble to each other :/ what does it mean...is it something we are doing? They are fine with us and MoMo loves cuddles x
 
I don't think you need to separate at he minute as there is no blood and it sounds just like there may be moments where there is squabbles over dominance. I would just keep an eye on them and check that they can both get to food without the other pushing them away and no biting or scratching occurs.
 
They're both eating and drinking I sit with them for up to 4 hours a day so they get hay and biccys and some fruit/veg every day :) I make sure they get it fairly cos MoMo does steal but so does noodle... I think they have their fair share of bxxchyness lol x
 
They had a fight :( so now in seperate cages but still near each other :( will be getting extra c and c grids so that they can be in the same cage but not together! Feel like such a bad mummy...they're both okay not cuts or blood nothing...but they were fighting Noodle happily left the cage too and she's never like that x
 
Aww, so sorry! Our pigs recently squabbled and they both got wounded, I blame myself entirely so I know how you feel! It kind of sucks separating them but they still chat and rumblestrut. Definirely don't blame yourself!
 
If they were just chasing each other that's pretty standard in my herd, when a girl comes into season my god does the rest of the world have to know it!

If it's a full on fight (ball of fury, injuries etc) then sure you'll have to separate unfortunately. But often dominance/season interactions that are pretty normal to us can be super brutal to us. Rumbling is totally normal and is a dominance behaviour.
 
They were biting each other's mouths and fighting all the time no blood tho but I can't risk it when me and my partner both work :( I'm going to buy some more grids so they can stay together but can't fight x
 
Do you have a video? It sounds like facing off and dominance displays, not fighting to me. If they're not really fighting and are just being normal bickering girls then you don't have to separate them.
 
How long have they been together? Was one in season? The reason I ask is we have just had a couple of hairy days with Dorothy in season. She has been chasing, nipping and mounting Coco who did lots of submissive squealing. It wasn't very nice to watch!
I'm sorry you are having a tough time, hope you get it sorted.
 
All the things you describe sound as if it's just dominant behaviour. If your working you have no option but leave them separate, until you can be with them to supervise. Trouble is the longer they are apart, the less likely they are to go back with the others.
 
Chloe, can you leave Wiebke alone, I know your worried, but she needs to grieve, & to step back. She will come back but not until she's ready. Thanks
 
I think it is just a dominance thing but due to working I have no option but to put grids between them:( I put they're cages together last night and there was lots of rumbling so I am unsure about putting them back together. I know I would have to bond them again. Does this mean they would have to have seperate time in the run?x
 
Dorothy&Coco said:
How long have they been together? Was one in season? The reason I ask is we have just had a couple of hairy days with Dorothy in season. She has been chasing, nipping and mounting Coco who did lots of submissive squealing. It wasn't very nice to watch!
I'm sorry you are having a tough time, hope you get it sorted.
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They have been together 2 months I think but have been bonded for 3. How would I know if they were in season? It was just constantly all the time for the past month x
 
It was the biting of each other's mouths that freaked me out as I know that Noodle has been possibly unwell. Now she is on her own she's back to her normal self. So maybe a bit of bullying x
 
Someone will correct if I'm wrong but l think they can go from one season to another. Especially if theys a boar close by.
you can't tell with 2 of mine, but the 3rd gets really bitchy & upsets everyone.
I've run into trouble with my boars, they got on brilliantly then they had a fallout After a month Ones neutered ones not. You can always tag Critter, sport_billy, maybe Adelle but I don't know if she's still tied up with Fudge.
 
you probably could put them together just make sure your near to separate them if they start.
The rumbling is dominance that's ok provided the one not doing the rumbling submits. But if you don't want to put them together that's fine, but you might need to get each one a friend.
 
You could set up a live camera maybe? That connects to your phone. Then, if you keep them together you can keep an eye on them while out. If they haven't drawn blood I wouldn't separate them, though I haven't seen a video to see how on the edge it actually is.
 
ChloeCee98 said:
They have been together 2 months I think but have been bonded for 3. How would I know if they were in season? It was just constantly all the time for the past month x
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We can tell because she turns into an evil monster! So different to how she is usually. And then it dies down again. I don't think they would constantly be in season, it sounds like maybe you have a bullying issue? I know from reading other posts the advice is often to separate and see if the pig that was being bullied perks up. That would suggest they are better off being separated.
 
Please watch plenty of bonding videos and read through the behaviour threads. Most of what you're describing is normal so separating could cause problems and they'll now have to go through all their dominance and hierarchy displays all over again which will be stressful for them as it will for you.

It's going to be helpful to read up so you have more information of what is okay and what's not okay in piggy language. What might look brutal to us is actually normal in piggy life. For example when a girl is in season (which someone in my herd normally is) there is chasing, humping, spraying, bum nipping, rumble strutting, squealing and teeth chattering. It sounds scary but it's just life to them. Some seasons aren't as bad as others so it's not as brutal but either way there is no need to separate with these behaviours especially if there are no wounds.

Nibbling each other's jaw/mouth is actually a sign of love and dominance I believe, if no wounds were made in the "biting" then it certainly isn't aggressive as far as I understand it.

Try to introduce them again, hopefully it's not too late. Please take some videos of their behaviour and show them on this thread so we can help too,
 
Tiamolly123 said:
you probably could put them together just make sure your near to separate them if they start.
The rumbling is dominance that's ok provided the one not doing the rumbling submits. But if you don't want to put them together that's fine, but you might need to get each one a friend.
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That's the thing the one not doing the rumbling either rumbles back or pounces on her lol
 
I think it's bullying Noodles back to life again now she is seperate! I've started doing lap time again now and she's loving it! She was to scared to come out of her hidey last week :/
 
It still might be possible to rebond them, however it could take some time. Take a look at our section on bonding/rebonding. With sows you have a fair chance it will work. I had to re-bond my well bonded trio of sows when the dominant sow would not accept back one of them after surgery.

I would start with a bonding bath. Bathing both piggies will start all smells afresh. You can do this safely in a bath. They should seek each other out whilst you are bathing them, for comfort. After you have dried them thoroughly you can put them in a run, set up away from the cage, with plenty of hay & veggies scattered around. Do not put any hidies in this run. You need to stand by with a towel, be ready to throw it over one if they start to fight. Do not try to separate them with bare hands as you may get bitten. You may see fairly dominant behaviour (chasing/humping/light nips on the rear ends) they can even sometimes make a puffing or hissing noise, teeth chattering. Very loud teeth clacking is a warning they may be about to fight, if they lunge at each other or draw blood then they probably won't go back to living together. You must then separate them. Otherwise you need to do this in the morning when you have time to watch them all day. If after about 8 hours they start to lie near each other & start to relax then you can put them in a thoroughly cleaned out C & C. Put two clean hidies in (ones with both ends open) & two of everything like bowls/beds. Rearrange the set up so it is not the same as before. If they are ok for an hour then they should be alright, don't separate them after that unless there is blood drawn.
 
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