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Recurrent UTI and highly stressed owner!

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What great new's - it's not all bad I promise. Patrick has never had stones, but his urine has almost always had crystals which has been causing all his problems.

My friend has some information re stones, which she will provide before Monday for you to discuss with your vet!

Doe's he drink a lot of water?

flintstones you're fantastic! I can't thank you enough for all your help! :rose:rose

I just wish i had some helpful advice for Patrick in return!

One thing I have noticed is that Piglet isn't much of a drinker. He likes his cucumber and veggies but I do think I need to get some more water into him to help with the bladder. We're getting a Brita filter at the weekend so hopefully that will help. The vet advised not to use mineral water because of the composition of the different minerals in it.
 
Well Patrick has some exciting news, you may want to watch with sound!

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Patrick hasn't had pain killer's in over a week!

All is not lost :) x
 
Woohoo!!:)):)):(|):(|)

There's nothing like the feeling of seeing a piggy pass something without pain at last! Well done Patrick!xx>>>-c

Piglet is still on painkillers but no wheeks at all today.

Maybe they're in league with eachother...
 
Woohoo!!:)):)):(|):(|)

There's nothing like the feeling of seeing a piggy pass something without pain at last! Well done Patrick!xx>>>-c

Piglet is still on painkillers but no wheeks at all today.

Maybe they're in league with eachother...

We can only hope - are syringes additional fluids yet?
 
I haven't attempted syringing yet as he was a bit shell-shocked from this afternoon tonight. He smells all funny of hospital and I don't think he likes it. They had to shave his belly to do the ultrasound... i think he may be a little embarrassed on top of everything else!

He's had cucumber through the day so has taken fluids, but tomorrow I'm going to start trying to syringe plain water in the evenings. As I'm at work all day I don't want to rush it first thing and can't get home at lunchtime in time to do a proper job of it. As it's a supplement and not a syringe feed I'm guessing that will be ok.

The vet said his bladder was full but dilute tonight, and not distended, so I think he's getting enough liquids currently. She's suggested 20ml a day. I am a bit scared of hurting him though. I can do medicines fine, but 20ml seems like such a lot (esp with our 1ml syringes!) and it's a lot more fluid than the metacam and baytril.

Part of me wants to leave well alone at the moment as we've only got three days to the appt, but part of me is scared that he's not getting what he needs, so i'm having a bit of a conflict at the moment :{
 
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I think leaving well enough alone for 3 days won't do any harm, the fact his urine is dilute means he is drinking water or getting it from his veggies.

I'll have to access how Patrick get's on once the injections are finished before I give a proper verdict on what's helping, although Patrick does drink very little Water on his own!
 
WISHING PIGLET HEALING WHEEEEEEEKS AND GOOD LUCK FOR HIS APPOINTMENT XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


Jo has done a wonderul job in helping you! x)
It is really good to be able to talk to somebody who understands exactly what youre talking about isn't it.
WHee have all paws crossed for Piglet and Patrick XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
 
WISHING PIGLET HEALING WHEEEEEEEKS AND GOOD LUCK FOR HIS APPOINTMENT XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


Jo has done a wonderul job in helping you! x)
It is really good to be able to talk to somebody who understands exactly what youre talking about isn't it.
WHee have all paws crossed for Piglet and Patrick XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


Thanks Glynis! and thanks again Jo and Patrick x)

Piglet is looking good. He's eating his pellets in the morning again and drinking a little water and he's very pleased we've finished with the baytril this evening. We have had a couple of what I would call 'string of sausage' poops tonight where he seems to have stopped mid poop for some reason, but the urine passing through their vetbed to the newspaper below seems to be pretty free of white residue now. I'm hoping this means that his bladder is clearing the crystals and sludge through. No more pain or blood! :(|)

We took their house and pigloo out tonight to see if we could encourage a bit more movement and they seemed to like it. They both flopped upstairs for some of the evening but came down and moved around the bottom more that they would do if the houses were there to hide in. I'm going to remove the houses each evening now so that they move a bit more.

I'll update when we've seen the vet but just hoping now that all will start moving in the right direction!
 
Do keep us informed with how you get on at the vets. I am beginning to think Water syringing is very important, had a night off last night and he's passing blood today - Doh!

Here's hoping we both get to the squeak free tunnel soon, in the meantime we can compare notes :).

Healing Wheeks to both our boys, also hope my hangover disappears soon :))! x
 
Do keep us informed with how you get on at the vets. I am beginning to think Water syringing is very important, had a night off last night and he's passing blood today - Doh!

Here's hoping we both get to the squeak free tunnel soon, in the meantime we can compare notes :).

Healing Wheeks to both our boys, also hope my hangover disappears soon :))! x

Maybe Patrick can return the favour by syringing you water to help with your hangover! Lol! :)) Or I wonder how hard it would be to train a piggy to make cups of tea and bring paracetamol...rolleyes

Hope that Patrick gets back to being blood and pain free very quickly!
 
Stone information.

Stone Composition
Calcium carbonate is the most common type of stone. Recent studies have shown that the composition of the majority (90%>) of urinary stones in guinea pigs is 100% calcium carbonate. A certain percentage also contain traces of calcium phosphate, oxalate or struvite (1). Pure calcium phosphate or struvite stones are extremely rare. If calcium oxalate is detected, it may be attributed to a high oxalate diet.(2) It is not uncommon for a calcium carbonate stone to be misidentified.

Stone analysis may aid in developing prevention strategies. "A high pH value and high urinary calcium concentration are crucial for calcium carbonate crystallization in urine."(2) This would suggest an overall reduction in calcium intake may be helpful.

Source: http://www.guinealynx.info/stones.html
 
Stone Composition
Calcium carbonate is the most common type of stone. Recent studies have shown that the composition of the majority (90%>) of urinary stones in guinea pigs is 100% calcium carbonate. A certain percentage also contain traces of calcium phosphate, oxalate or struvite (1). Pure calcium phosphate or struvite stones are extremely rare. If calcium oxalate is detected, it may be attributed to a high oxalate diet.(2) It is not uncommon for a calcium carbonate stone to be misidentified.

Stone analysis may aid in developing prevention strategies. "A high pH value and high urinary calcium concentration are crucial for calcium carbonate crystallization in urine."(2) This would suggest an overall reduction in calcium intake may be helpful.

Source: http://www.guinealynx.info/stones.html

Thanks Jo!:)

I've cut right back on all the higher calcium foods for them now and they're mainly on fresh grass with extra water soaked into it, cucumber and peppers. I'm going to have a good look at the calcium charts this week when I get a minute and see what else we might be able to add for variety.

So...the piggy saga continues...

Piglet had his vets appt yesterday with the exotics vet from the zoo. She had a long chat to me about him and we decided that he should have a CAT scan and full blood tests. (that was an eye-watering experience financially!) They did it at the hospital that day, and Piglet was sedated for the procedure. I picked him up a few hours later and he was eating already, a little groggy but otherwise fine. The vet gave me some info on the scan yesterday and then called me this afternoon with the full report - fast or what! He also had an injection of metacam and a subcutaneous fluid injection.

Piglet had the most wonderful sleep last night - all relaxed and chilled out. He slept really deeply, then woke up and ate everything I put in front of him, then slept again and repeated the pattern. He was a bit unsteady on his feet but overall, I think he had a lovely time relaxing! He fell asleep in his fleecy sleeping bag on my mother in laws lap for a bit and looked so cute all cuddled up and fast asleep!

So we now know the entire ins and outs of this little piggy. He is 98% his normal self but as he's had such good tests, we know there are things under the surface that we need to address.:

The blood tests have shown that Piglet is still fighting an infection. His white cell count is 17, whereas a healthy piggy is around 3 - 9. He has been given a course of Seprin for the next couple of weeks to kill off the underlying infection so we don't get a repeat.

Unfortunately there are three small stones in his bladder - smaller than the one he has passed, but they are there. one of them is sitting in the tube that connects his right kidney to his bladder :( The vet is doing a wait and see on this one at the moment, as the good news is that it is much closer to the bladder end than the kidney end. We are going back in two weeks for a check up and will see if he passes it into the bladder over this time. If not, then they will go in surgically and try to milk it into the bladder and then remove all three stones at once. He may pass these stones himself in the meantime though.

His kidney function is ok at the moment. The kidney tube with the stone in is dilated rather than blocked, so there is no swelling or damage to the kidney at the moment.

He has mild arthritis in his back! The vet thinks that this could be the source of the bladder issues as if he has been finding it uncomfortable to pee because of his back, this might be why we've been getting stones. We had an elderly cat up to the end of last year who had a back injury from years ago that turned into arthritis and then he had constant cystitis, so we've been here before! I can only guess that he may have been dropped or had a bad fall as a young pig, as he is only 3.5 now and we've had him since he was 1. Maybe something happened to him in his previous home? Or it could just be completely genetic. He's going on a diet though as he is a little on the tubby side ;)

Lastly, the vet said that they only scanned his back half, but some of the lung showed up. They've seen a small node on the lung. We don't know what it is, but at the moment he has no issues with his lungs or breathing. The vet said it could be scarring from a prior lung infection, a growth or possibly a tumour. They need to rescan him after all his treatment, so she's going to check again then to see if it's changed or if there are any others. I'm not panicking about this yet, as he is showing no signs of lung issues and as we're talking about a CAT scan here, I'm pretty sure that any pig you go into this level of detail with is going to show some lumps and bumps that we would never have known about either until much later if ever at all.

So the treatment at the moment is as follows:

Metacam every morning for the foreseeable future to help with the arthritis and to see if it encourages him to pee more

Antibiotics daily for two weeks to really kill off the infection

A check up on the 31st to see if we need to do anything surgical (if so then they'll do on the day), and to see if his white cells are down

Lots of fresh hay, a decrease in pellets, add fresh grass soaked in water into the diet, keep to the cucumber and i am going to add some low calcium veggies in too

I'm also going to give syringing water a try - 10 - 20ml a day. He seems to be peeing better since he's been at the vets however, but if he'll take it then it can't hurt.

Jo - it looks as if your extra water for Patrick is helping as our vet has pretty much said that increasing fluid intake and getting exercise are the best things we can do. Maybe Patrick would like washed and soaked grass as well if he's not an outdoors pig already? Ours are indoor year round and haven't really had grass that much, so we're introducing it by slowly building it up, so as not to upset their stomachs.

What a mad couple of days! I feel better now though. Even though we've still got a bit ahead of us, at last we know what's happening now and what to do to help. the worst bit really was not knowing how to help him :(
 
Hi Nienna,

I really can't fault the vet for jumping right in there and getting it all done the pathologist recommended that Patrick have blood's done a while back - due to infection to check Kidney function but as he doesn't have any signs of Kidney problems(scanned his kidney's which where clear) we didn't go down that route and although I like my vet very much and he's a great scanner, he uses injectable reversible GA, and I don't think my vet's familiar with the procedure but I have another who is, should I decide to go down that route, but I doubt I will at this point but I do understand fully why it was done. Your poor bank balance though not a cheap test!

As for the stone in the kidney tube, how worrying I am glad it is closer to the bladder end so there's every possibility it will pass into the bladder successfully and then all the stones can be removed together. I have everything crossed for your little one but it's so nice to have a plan and know what's going on.

Me and Patrick are sending you and Piglet successful and healing wheeks!

Please do keep us updated, also later I'll post the GL Calculator which helps with working the calcium;phosphate ratio out, if you still have piglet's stone maybe it would be worthwhile sending it away to the labs to find out the Composition.

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