Zehuri
Junior Guinea Pig
Guinea Pig recently diagnosed with Sterile Cystitis.
Is seeing blood in the urine now and again part of the condition?
thank you.Hi
This is the typical maroon tint of a natural dye called porphyrin, which is characteristic for the onset of a urinary tract infection (both bacterial or sterile) and for any sterile cystitis flares.
Blood can be present but doesn't have to in every pee. It takes a whole lot more of it than you think to actually discolour urine. Blood is usually a much brighter red to pink shade, drying into mid-brown tones but you rarely see it in infectious pees.
For more information on sterile cystitis, you may find this link here helpful: Wiebke's Guide to Pees and Stones
Please bookmark this thread so you can easily find it for any further questions and concerns along the way. It helps everybody if we can keep ongoing cases together; especially as we are not part of social media and do not rely on generating lots of new threads.
thank you.
She had a few urine samples taken last month when you couldn’t physically see blood but when tested it showed traces of blood.
But since the end of March every few days you can now see blood in the urine.
The vet has advised Cerenia to be give in addition to Dog Metacam, whilst her urine sample has been sent off for culture
4 years old is the lower end of the average life span, so while she isn’t old as such, she also isn’t young.
Once they start to get to this age range, putting lost weight back on can become harder and some older piggies never get back to pre-illness weights. Instead they maintain at a new lower ‘normal’.
Your piggy’s weight sounds to be stable, which is good news. Personally I don’t think I would continue with syringe feeding at this point - at only 16ml a day she isn’t getting much at all anyway - and would instead monitor her to see if she can maintain her weight herself. If she loses weight (beyond normal fluctuation) or loses appetite during a flare then you can of course step ba
My CBS boy was down after an ear infection, and for two months he had critical care and at first it helped but then I became frustrated with him not gaining weight.
I weaned him off the critical care slowly, and in 5 months he was back to almost his original weight.
I think he was full on critical care and not eating as much hay as he should.
But if yours is a pain issue it might not work.
I'm sure an expert will be along shortly
It’s drops of blood but I’ve found it most of the time in a urine patch, if that makes sense.Hi
Are you still seeing little bits of sheer blood or only of red pees? In a sow, there is always the possibility that any sheer bleeding could come from the reproductive tract but most pictures in this thread show rather diluted red urine.
Here are the photos from when I found the blood in April and March.Hi
Are you still seeing little bits of sheer blood or only of red pees? In a sow, there is always the possibility that any sheer bleeding could come from the reproductive tract but most pictures in this thread show rather diluted red urine.
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Are you still seeing little bits of sheer blood or only of red pees? In a sow, there is always the possibility that any sheer bleeding could come from the reproductive tract but most pictures in this thread show rather diluted red urine. But red drops in the urine could be sheer blood. If you have concerns, please speak to your vet. It could come from the urinary or the reproductive tract in sows.
You can try to reduce the metacam and see whether the weight is staying stable once you have established that she is eating enough on her own to keep the weight stable. Otherwise you can offer a little optional feed; this is called top up feeding which is normally a stage between serious support feeding and fully eating themselves. If needed, mix in with some of her favourite food in a bowl outside the cage so you can control how much she is eating and control by weighing whether it is making a positive difference over several days. It gives you more control over whether she can really support herself or not and is much less stressful than syringe feeding.
Fingers firmly crossed for your girl. Please withdraw any painkillers only after her weight is stable but kick in at full strength with any flare and double the glucosamine dose for 2-3 days in order to cap the flare as quickly as possible. The problem with sterile IC that it comes on the whole bandwidth so you have to find our individually how low you can go with the painkiller/glucosamine maintenance and how high you have to go during flare-ups.
Once the weight is stable, you could also try whether the odd bloody drops stop if you up the maintenance painkiller and glucosamine - it could be a sign that the inter-flares base medication is too low. You have to work this out by trial and error to find out what works and what not so you can search further once you have excluded some things you can try at home.
The Guinea Pig with Sterile Cystitis she’s the submissive one.
If she’s in more pain she then challenges our dominant pig, who in turn becomes overly dominant towards our normally submissive pig.
Once I up the pain medication for our submisisve pig she’s always back to being submissive and our dominant pig is also no longer being overly dominant towards her.
Our submissive pig seemed to have a Sterile Cystitis flareup two day ago so upped her pain relief as usual. However this time have noticed she now seems to be the dominant pig and her sister (the normally dominant one) is now the one making submissive sounds.
Is this something to be concerned about?
@Wiebke previous photos of blood from March and April
Thhe vet said to give Emeraid no more than twice a day as a top up feed, as she’s still eating, pellets , hay and fresh veg and dried forage as normal.
I give her the Emeraid in a bowl rather than syringe as she was getting stressed by that.
She’s been on Emeraid 8 - 10ml twice a day since the end of February as a top up, it’s not done much to increase her weight as in its still sticking to around 850g whereas prior to February she’s was on average 950g. So I’ll stop the Emeraid and see how her weight does. I’m weighing her twice a week at present.
I didn’t know I could up the glucosamine when she has a flareup. That’s good to know. I’ve been following the 0.4ml per kg guideline for the Johnson’s Extra Strength Liquid Glucosamine. Good to know I can increase the dosage during a flare up.
She started Dog Metacam twice a day since the end of February. I’ve tried three times to lower the dose, but within half a day to a day she starts to show signs she’s not okay. She stops eating her recovery food, starts challenging her sister who is the dominant pig, or looks hunched after handling. Once I’ve put her dose back to 0.5ml again twice a day she goes back to her normal self within half a day. Even though her weight is currently sitting around 850g so is stable, (used to be 950g on average prior to SC symptoms starting) I can’t seem to fully stop or reduce her twice daily Metacam dose.
So It looks like she may just have to be on Dog Metacam at 0.5ml daily for the foreseeable.
Do some pigs with SC have to be on daily pain relief for the rest of their life?
The Cerenia twice a day 0.1ml dose was started a month ago as I felt she was still in discomfort, particularly after being handled. Not sure if it’s worth stopping that at all.
They only get fresh forage between spring - autumn. I started to give some fresh forage like a few leaves of rasberry or strawberry or nettle. Can that cause a flareup for SC? Should I just give one type so Rasberry leaves and two leaves and then wait for 4 days to see if there’s any blood? Or do things like fresh forage not cause a SC flare up?
Sorry just trying to learn as new to all this.
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Hi,Hi
This looks to me like some rather mild, very watery porphyrin stained pees to me as they are very typical for sterile cystitis flares. The urine can test positive for blood or not but the urine is too dilute for any major quantity. It takes a lot more blood in the urine to actually stain it red than people think!
Is your girl a naturally consistent strong drinker or has she suddenly started to drink a lot more?
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Hi,
Sorry for the late reply: She’s a good drinker, she also gets cucumber daily so she is well hydrated.
Thanks for you insight that what I’m finding is a sign of SC flare.
I’m just trying to figure out what is causing it.
The fresh forage, some new dried forage or me trying to reduce her medication.
For now I’ll keep the Metacam and Cerenia at the current doses.
Their normal dried Rosewood Naturals Fields of Gold forage mix they get daily and have done for the past year I’ll just continue with that.
In regard to fresh forage I’ll give one type of fresh forage, example just 2 strawberry leaves and then wait four days and see if she has a flare up/ red staining. Should I then try to increase the number of strawberry leaves or try a different type of fresh forage like 2 bramble leaves?
She had a mix of fresh forage (bramble, grass, rasberry leaves, strawberry leaves,) several times a week last year between Spring - Autumn back when she didn’t have her SC/ it wasn’t active.
Her symptoms started only this February with weight loss.
@WiebkeHi
Please don't worry about the numbers of stained places; she will make several stained pees and it is actually not bad knowing that she is well enough to move around the cage.
No, you cannot up the medication any further and you cannot do so for more than a week max (ideally only for 2-4 days to bring down the squeaking when peeing = acute pain).
Please don't let your anxiety run away with you. Your girl is not having a major flare if the coloured pee is the only symptom.
@Wiebke
Flareup started again this week on the 11th June. She’s had one or two areas of staining a day.
I upped her Johnson’s Liquid Glucosamine from 0.37ml to 0.8ml.
Her Metacam I’ve kept at 0.5ml twice a day and her Cerenia is the usual 0.1ml.
This morning she had one area of staining and it was a lot of blood it soaked through 1.5 inches of Aubiouse and there was excess blood at the base which I wiped with a kitchen roll piece which you can see. Normally it looks dilute but not this time. She attached photo taken this morning.
She’s eating, drinking, moving around as normal.
Should I be concerned due to the amount of staining and that it’s more bloody looking?
Also long term do repeated flareups cause damage internally? Our exotic vet said if she keeps getting the flareups may need to look at surgery.
Thank you
Hi,Hi
You are obviously dealing with a case of sterile cystitis that is a bit higher on the gliding scale from mild to very severe. However, what is your vet planning to operate? That really puzzles me.
Sterile IC doesn't cause stones; that only happens if owners' diet changes push the diet out of the sweet spot.
Hi,
I have no idea, she just said that repeated flareups may mean surgery or further internal investigation.
Eventhough yesterday there was a lot of blood the fact she was acting normally means and eating and drinking and moving around means if it’s all okay and she didn’t need to go to the vets?
Good news though that there was no blood this morning looks like hopefully this flareup is done.
Thank youPlease be aware that the red pees are not sheer blood. They have the characteristic maroon tint of porphyrin and not the pinkish tint of fresh blood.
But since she is not showing any other symptoms, yes, it looks that this flare is settling down again. You have to brace for having them every few weeks. If you are in the milder range, the time between them will eventually lengthen and if you are lucky, the cystitis will stop altogether - but you are looking at years and not just a few months.
Thank you
Just did a spot clean and found one area of staining but minimal in terms of amount.
She’s getting it currently every week for a few days
The Johnson’s Glucosamine liquid. Is the max she can have double her usual dose or can I give three times her usual dose? Also how many days can she have that flareup dose for? Sometimes her flareup are five continuous days for example.
It’s the 4 Joints Extra Strength. I’ll scale back the amount as I had been doubling it when I found staining. I’ll do it for a max of 4 days even if the staining goes on for more days.That is the normal pattern for sterile cystitis.
Have you got the normal one or the strong one. You can double the normal one for max. 2-4 days to cap a flare and the strong no more than adding half the normal dosage if that for the same short time. See whether it makes a difference. If not, leave be.