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Feeling so deeply about your pets (especially as you have been caring for your own very ill boy for so long now), seeing threads like that can be very upsetting as they go right against every fibre in our own being and in your current battle for Casran's life, but it is always important to remember that whoever bothers to come on here still CARES when it comes to the bottom line. It is most often a cry for help (the others who truly can't be bothered we generally don't see on here except in the form of adopted rescue piggies!)

We have all got different sensibilities and ways to express them, and we need to accept that.

Unrealistic expectations, wrong advice, mental or phyiscal illness/work load/job loss/family crises etc. can lead to any of us reaching the limits of our own endurance at some point or other as we go through life. Threads like the ones that upset you often have very little to do with the usually pretty real commitment you have for your pets but more with feeling that you are not able to live up to your own high expectations and perceiving yourself as a failure - hence you are not able to "love properly" or have not been able to form a bond in the way you expected in the first place... We have all different ways of expressing that. It is important to offer a space that allows you to talk about it without being shot down.

When it comes down it, we are about the welfare of all guinea pigs coming in touch with the forum. It is vital to work out what the problem is and whether we can help the owner out of a dead end with their piggies so they can go on to enjoy their pets, or if they really struggle to keep and deal with their piggies, then help them to find a constructive solution to ensure that the piggies get somewhere safe where their future wellbeing is guaranteed.

But it can be quite a straddle we have to do on a forum that tries to be as open-minded, constructive and friendly as ours. Not all issues are for everybody - this is in many ways like it is not for all of our members to answer Rainbow Bridge threads, while those same threads can be a real relief for some others to have a place where they can speak about their loss and their struggle to cope with it. There is nothing wrong if you can't do it all. ;)
 
I read your posts on Casran @TheAurora and i'm jealous. Not of his current sad issues, of course not, that is horrible, but the character and the relationship you have. I have only had pigs for a couple of months and I do understand the frustration in a couple of the more recent threads. Mine have wormed their way under my skin and I am very very fond of them, and I have read enough on here and other places to realise that a couple of months is VERY early days, but it is easy to wonder "what have I done wrong, why aren't mine little bundles of fun like Casran and Fudge and the other little characters about the place?". To start with I did wonder if we had made a terrible mistake, but they are coming out of their shells with time and energy, but I see how it can become a self fulfilling type cycle, they are skittish and scared and no fun to cuddle, so you are less inspired to want to interact, so they get more skittish and you are even less inspired, until before you know it they are just little creatures that take up space and time and money! With a bit of encouragement from here I'd like to think that some of us (including myself here) can be reminded that they can be encouraged to get better, but also it is good to read of other pigs that remain antisocial types and that that is just their little personality, not always something you did "wrong" and to get suggestions for other ways to enjoy them. Those threads are sad for various reasons, but the responses and suggestions are really useful to see and hopefully by having the courage to post the person being honest will have a positive impact on them and their pet but also on those of us that are just absorbing info like a sponge! And you know, if they decide that the pet isn't for them and they get good direction on how to rehome, perhaps you end up with a happier owner AND pet.

Thank you for your response... I love everything you have written here.

What are your guinea pigs called? x
 
@Critter I think you should write a book seriously! All such great, informative and helpful advice here!

Maybe we could write and publish a forum book, and all the proceeds could go to charities, foster homes, rescues...
 
Thank you for your response... I love everything you have written here.

What are your guinea pigs called? x

x I can be relatively articulate online. Get me in real life and I am the queen of putting my foot in my mouth and saying the wrong thing. Sometimes it would be handy if life had a "back" button...

Mine are Timmy and Jenny. Not the most exciting names but they had them from the rescue and the kids wouldn't let me change them. I wanted a pair called Spitfire and Hercules, little fluffy ones. Ours are lovely but they aren't the Spitfire and Hercules I had envisaged!
 
On Wednesday my 6yr old boy Harvey was diagnosed with a large tumour which had grown in his leg. He has come home for palliative care for a few days but I know I will have to help him on his way (next week I'll most likely book him in) it's a horrible, horrible feeling. I've had him since he was 4 weeks old, he's been the only piggy that's bitten me hard, he had the most stinking attitude problem as an adolescent. He bit poor Blake on the pom poms, beat various other boys to pulps and was a generally bad boy when I tried re-pairing him when Heston died. He put me thought the stress of sitting and waiting though a castrate. He became an utter gentleman with his two older ladies and a menace with the young one (who is giving him lots of kisses and eye licks now he is old and poorly), but he's always loved being wrapped up in blankets and falling asleep on your lap, and always pined the most out of any piggy I have had when he loses a companion.
In a way I feel sorry for people who can't bond with their pets, because they miss out on so much. On the other hand I don't really envy them either because they don't have to go through this.

Oh I love these piggies with 'attitude and character'... I'm so sorry you are losing him.

Six years... so many memories. Maybe make a memory box of pictures and objects that are special and you can go back to it and think of him.

Hugs xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 
x I can be relatively articulate online. Get me in real life and I am the queen of putting my foot in my mouth and saying the wrong thing. Sometimes it would be handy if life had a "back" button...

Mine are Timmy and Jenny. Not the most exciting names but they had them from the rescue and the kids wouldn't let me change them. I wanted a pair called Spitfire and Hercules, little fluffy ones. Ours are lovely but they aren't the Spitfire and Hercules I had envisaged!

Reading between the lines, would you like them to be more cuddly and affectionate?
 
Reading between the lines, would you like them to be more cuddly and affectionate?
Oh definitely. (And a different breed, but we rescued, they are who they are so I shall forgive them that! I pictured Donald Trumps wig on the loose...) We've had them since the end of January and they are SO much better and they will get there, I'm sure, I just want to fast-forward to them running toward me rather than away! I accept though that it takes time and effort and so they have been getting plenty of that. They spent a year of their life with fairly minimal handling I should imagine. They were found in a hoarding type situation in a shed after a lady died and they were found with lots of others. Timmy had a broken leg, Jenny was pregnant and so they had to get back on their feet and then learn to be handled. It isn't going to happen overnight. They will come out for food now, Jenny in particular seems to enjoy lap time (less lap, more under the chin time, she scoots her way up there and gets settled!) They don't relax in the open yet, they need to be in a tunnel or a bag to lay down although last night Jenny did lay down in her hay for 2 minutes, so again, progress.

Every night they have floor time with us in the front room from about 4pm-11pm and I can often be found just sitting in the pen with them. I fell asleep in there once! They get lap time a couple or three times a day. And I we pop by with nuggets regularly as bribery to make friends. They come running when we rattle the jar now!
 
I only have one piggy that likes being cuddled. The other four will come for food out of my hand, beg on their hind legs and wander around me when I am in the cage cleaning them out. Just because they don't like cuddles doesn't mean I don't enjoy them, they have huge personalities and the difference in tigerlilly from the absolutely petrified girl I took in a few weeks ago to the noisy girl that joins the others for food is amazing. Looking forward to when my boy can go in with my girls.Have a rabbit that I took on with tigerlily who is scared too but is going in with a neutered boy once he is safe and because he is so tame I know she will become more so. Have had many animals tame, wild, nasty or sweet but they all have a special place in my heart
 
You're doing a fantastic job, they've had a really rough start with no reason to trust, and they're coming on really well with you :) I'm confident they'll get there. My first piggy was one who was kept on her own in a very small hutch in a shed. She was a chore, unwanted, and had the minimal of care. She was fed, given water and hay but in th4e way of veg it was just a carrot once a week, and she wasn't cleaned out often, according to the neighbour.... she wasn't well socialised with people anyhow, and was very scared indeed when she came to me.
It took her a while, and I wasn't actually expecting her to ever become tame and cuddly, but she gained in confidence more than I ever thought she would.
It's amazing how resilient they can be when someone shows them love and patience, as you are doing.... x
 
I only have one piggy that likes being cuddled. The other four will come for food out of my hand, beg on their hind legs and wander around me when I am in the cage cleaning them out. Just because they don't like cuddles doesn't mean I don't enjoy them, they have huge personalities and the difference in tigerlilly from the absolutely petrified girl I took in a few weeks ago to the noisy girl that joins the others for food is amazing. Looking forward to when my boy can go in with my girls.Have a rabbit that I took on with tigerlily who is scared too but is going in with a neutered boy once he is safe and because he is so tame I know she will become more so. Have had many animals tame, wild, nasty or sweet but they all have a special place in my heart

I'm right with you, not had so much experience as you, but as long as the animals are as happy as they can be this matters more to me than whether or not they grow to be affectionate towards me :) x
 
@Critter I think you should write a book seriously! All such great, informative and helpful advice here!

Maybe we could write and publish a forum book, and all the proceeds could go to charities, foster homes, rescues...
Aw thanks! :)

There's a lot of words of wisdom on here from many people..... A book would be good, what a collaboration that would be!
But I'm very wordy, I envy those people who have the ability to say the same thing but in a clearer and concise way. I waffle and I know I do! Total opposite of how I am socially though! I tend to be the quiet one who listens in a group.
 
Oh definitely. (And a different breed, but we rescued, they are who they are so I shall forgive them that! I pictured Donald Trumps wig on the loose...) We've had them since the end of January and they are SO much better and they will get there, I'm sure, I just want to fast-forward to them running toward me rather than away! I accept though that it takes time and effort and so they have been getting plenty of that. They spent a year of their life with fairly minimal handling I should imagine. They were found in a hoarding type situation in a shed after a lady died and they were found with lots of others. Timmy had a broken leg, Jenny was pregnant and so they had to get back on their feet and then learn to be handled. It isn't going to happen overnight. They will come out for food now, Jenny in particular seems to enjoy lap time (less lap, more under the chin time, she scoots her way up there and gets settled!) They don't relax in the open yet, they need to be in a tunnel or a bag to lay down although last night Jenny did lay down in her hay for 2 minutes, so again, progress.

Every night they have floor time with us in the front room from about 4pm-11pm and I can often be found just sitting in the pen with them. I fell asleep in there once! They get lap time a couple or three times a day. And I we pop by with nuggets regularly as bribery to make friends. They come running when we rattle the jar now!

Wow, you are doing amazing!

Was going to give you some ideas but you don't need them ... you are doing fabulous!

x
 
Wow, you are doing amazing!

Was going to give you some ideas but you don't need them ... you are doing fabulous!

x
Thanks :) Jenny weed on me for the second night running tonight. I thought she did it last night because I missed her cues (she was chattering a bit but I thought it was because my son was harrassing her) but tonight, there was nothing, she reversed three paces and peed, all in one fluid (ha ha) movement. That's progress right? Relaxed... I could do without that kind of progress ;)
 
I've just read through this...and I feel really very conflicted. I know what it's like to have a dislike for certain pets - you love them- of course you do. You nurture them and do everything for them you would for another animal, but you just don't have that connection. Like you would with some family members I guess, you get on with some better then others - that doesn't mean you dislike them in the sense I feel like you took it to mean (please don't take this as me being horrible!).

But I understand why you might find it upsetting, you immediately think of the negatives when someone says they don't 'like' their pet, but we can safely assume anyone coming to this forum for help and advice loves and cares for their animals - everyone here does :)

I also have experienced my much loved pets (in the case of my childhood cat, my best friend and I believe my soul mate) being on deaths door, unfortunately many times in a number of years. While it does change your perspective hugely on caring for other pets (you become more maternal I feel, fiercely overprotective and watchful), we have to accept that not everyone expresses their love in different ways. So while some may be coming here and saying things we interpret as upsetting, they likely mean well, and love their pets hugely - just in a different way to us because they are their own person and have had different experiences.

I do feel that threads such as this need to remain mindful that this forum can be a very intimidating place initially. We have members and staff here who probably give their pigs the best care in the world - I mean that literally. I came here years ago with a pig I adopted impulsively from Pets at Home because he looked sad and I knew nothing. That is the kind of owner you mention in your original comment, but I came here to learn how to be a top notch owner and give him the best life - this is what others do, too.

I've learnt a hell of a lot since joining because of the amazing and caring people on here, but there's still times I come on here for advice or just to browse that I find myself feeling inadequate, and I can imagine a number of others do at times also, especially beginners, inadvertently because of threads such as this (again, I'm not trying to sound horrible! I'm a big Aurora and Casran fan!).

So while I 100% understand the original post, I've also experienced the other side of it and it is a hard thing to admit for anyone. We need to remain mindful that this is an accepting environment that is for everyone who loves and cares for guinea pigs, despite our differences. Everyone should feel comfortable being open here :)

Please don't hate me for this! I adore Casran and yourself for your care, I just felt the need to give me 2 cents (no matter how worthless). I mean absolutely no offence, I just want this forum to remain the safe place it always has been :) xx
 
Thank you for your reply @LydiaMinx - everything you have said here is very interesting and means a lot to me. I really value hearing different perspectives including yours x
 
@TheAurora I would just like to say that I think you are so lovely! And I can see that you care deeply for Guinea pigs I feel so sad that you've been affected by these kind of posts, and by making this post you have only showed everyone how loving and caring you are so you should not feel bad for posting this at all!.

But I also think it's good that people can come here and say that how they really feel wether everyone else would see it as good or bad we are all here to educate either ourselves or/and others.

I have a Guinea pig called fudge (fudgie when the ladies pigs aren't around :) ) he is 3 years old and I got him from a free ad site as a friend for my Frankie pig. When I got fudge he was wild as anything he used to bite and attack us when we put our hands in the cage, he was an absolute nightmare! I am pretty sure that's why the previous owner and the one before that gave him away for free! Anyway after having him just over a year he is now absolutely amazing I ❤️ this pig with all my heart and that is the gods honest truth! I feel sick when I think that if I didn't rehome him, he could have ended up anywhere! Don't get me wrong there were times when I thought is he ever going to calm down but I am not the type of person to give up on something when I get started and now after slot of hardwork and dedication I have a cuddly licky loving big piggy 1 year later :)

(I do not mean anyone on here when I say this) but maybe if his previous owner had known about this site maybe things could have been different and maybe she could have been the one with this wonderful little man. So if this site can help educate people about Guinea pigs and stop them being abandoned/dumped or given away to any randomer off a free ad site then we are doing our part to help (again I am not saying anyone on here would do these things otherwise we wouldn't be looking for help and advice on here). Hopefully we can help improve the quality of life for all Guinea pigs and help to give owners the full enjoyment we get from ours.

I completely understand how hard it is to see other people taking for granted what you have lost/ are losing, as my dad passed away in August and sometimes I hear people saying things about their own dads like he's a waste of space and that kind of stuff and I find myself feeling like well you should be grateful you still have one! So you are in no way wrong to feel like this about these posts and you have been brave enough to come out and say how you feel (I keep my thoughts to myself when I hear other people slating theirs dads because I don't want to cause an argument or stress myself out because I don't really like talking about it very much) but you are in no way wrong for having natural human feelings so don't ever blame yourself for feeling how you do! You have done nothing wrong here!

As for fudges previous owner, she has never bothered to reply to any pictures of him that I have sent her or any text and updates I have sent her and I have had him for over a year now! But at least when I look at him I know it's me and my boyfriend that have helped him change his ways, we are the ones who put in the hard work and we are the ones (and Frankie pig) who get to enjoy his company on a daily basis hopefully for many more years :)
 
Gosh what an inspirational piggy story @Stayc1989 ! And how lucky Fudge is to have found you.

It's interesting what you are saying about how things might have been different if previous owners had received help at a place like this - thought provoking.

I'm very sorry about your dad. I too lost a close family member a few years back and totally get what you are saying about feelings in this situ.

Thank you for your contribution to this thread - very interesting x
 
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