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Urgent When to let go?

Well I didn't make it to appointment with Simon yesterday as got stuck in 4 hour long queue in M1. Saw Kim today, 5 hour round trip. Hope my piggies appreciate this :-)
Kim was fabulous! She identified missed burrs, thrush, very painful ulcer. She said the vet had cut the incisors in a way they'd not meet which she fixed. She gave higher pain meds and anti fungal. And she answered the question I posted - she said hopefully we'll get him healthy but even though he's not severely weak, he's very sore and sad and if we can't fix that long term, then PTS would be kind.
Atticus has been trying to eat food again for the first time in days. I think his teeth might need to grow a bit so still syringe feeding 40ml a day.
Whatever happens Atticus has been given the best chance and I feel a weight lifted. My home vet have been kind offering to help with feeding. Thank you for kind advice.
:-) :-) :-)
This is great news, I told you it would be worth it! 😉It's crap about that M1 queue, that road is always a let down, I basicly live on it lol. And also I knew the vet you used would likely have cut the teeth wrong. I'm so glad you actually got the problems inldentified 👍
Yes it was great advice, fantastic :-) Sorry about the M1, I'd go bonkers if had to live on that lol!
 
Yes it was great advice, fantastic :-) Sorry about the M1, I'd go bonkers if had to live on that lol!
My job is driving to and from work sites, so m6 and M1 I'm on alot, I hate the M1 the most. 😕 But I get payed by the hour, so I'm getting payed to sit in queues
 
My job is driving to and from work sites, so m6 and M1 I'm on alot, I hate the M1 the most. 😕 But I get payed by the hour, so I'm getting payed to sit in queues
You must be very patient. I might be making that journey every few weeks now. Have to take up wine again lol.
 
I do love when a reccomendation gets listened to and the outcome is positive and heading in the right direction. 👍 You have the best help watching this thread and now one of the best vets. Whatever happens to your piggy now, you can't say you haven't done all you can. I wish all the best
 
Well I didn't make it to appointment with Simon yesterday as got stuck in 4 hour long queue in M1. Saw Kim today, 5 hour round trip. Hope my piggies appreciate this :-)
Kim was fabulous! She identified missed burrs, thrush, very painful ulcer. She said the vet had cut the incisors in a way they'd not meet which she fixed. She gave higher pain meds and anti fungal. And she answered the question I posted - she said hopefully we'll get him healthy but even though he's not severely weak, he's very sore and sad and if we can't fix that long term, then PTS would be kind.
Atticus has been trying to eat food again for the first time in days. I think his teeth might need to grow a bit so still syringe feeding 40ml a day.
Whatever happens Atticus has been given the best chance and I feel a weight lifted. My home vet have been kind offering to help with feeding. Thank you for kind advice.
:-) :-) :-)

Kim and Simon are really worth the journey as you can see from Atticus' instant reaction! We all wish that there were more of them around the country...
Hopefully he can make a full turnaround and enjoy life again! The fact that he is willing to eat, means that he still has a zest for life! :tu:
 
Glad Atticus was seen by Kim. The Maddocks are great! We are from North Wales and we always take our piggies to them whenever it's abscess and dental problems.

Also, make sure you support him with syringe feeding until you can see him eat by himself. We usually feed a dental piggy 15mls of critical care every 3 to 4 hours. Try hand feeding him with strips of veggies too and if you can give him grass then it's good as well.
 
Brilliant news Atticus is starting to eat again @Black piggies ! Sorry the first drive there didn’t go too well! Simon and Kim are such great vets. Hope he continues to heal well and stuff his face:nod: xx
 
Glad Atticus was seen by Kim. The Maddocks are great! We are from North Wales and we always take our piggies to them whenever it's abscess and dental problems.

Also, make sure you support him with syringe feeding until you can see him eat by himself. We usually feed a dental piggy 15mls of critical care every 3 to 4 hours. Try hand feeding him with strips of veggies too and if you can give him grass then it's good as well.
Thank you anyar! He's eaten first time in about a week, parsley that I pushed in his mouth and he took a little himself, he's still struggling to pick up food himself, not sure if his incisors need to grow a bit.

Can I ask, do you give 15ml in one go? I'm new to syringe feeding and after 5-10 ml he seems fed up of it, I'm not sure how much is too much.

And how much overall would you try to get in them in 24 hours?

Many thanks..
 
Thank you anyar! He's eaten first time in about a week, parsley that I pushed in his mouth and he took a little himself, he's still struggling to pick up food himself, not sure if his incisors need to grow a bit.

Can I ask, do you give 15ml in one go? I'm new to syringe feeding and after 5-10 ml he seems fed up of it, I'm not sure how much is too much.

And how much overall would you try to get in them in 24 hours?

Many thanks..
Are you using critical care or mushed nuggets? Critical care they tend to get fed up with faster
 
As part of this Health and Illness section there is a thread linked to the Emergency care thread that deals with syringe feeding.
Have a look at that - it might answer your questions.
Hope Atticus recovers well now.
 
Thank you anyar! He's eaten first time in about a week, parsley that I pushed in his mouth and he took a little himself, he's still struggling to pick up food himself, not sure if his incisors need to grow a bit.

Can I ask, do you give 15ml in one go? I'm new to syringe feeding and after 5-10 ml he seems fed up of it, I'm not sure how much is too much.

And how much overall would you try to get in them in 24 hours?

Many thanks..
How much and how often to syringe feed

A piggy needs different amounts of syringe feed and a different feeding regime depending on what kind of situation you are dealing with. If your guinea pig has still got its appetite, it may accept syringe feed in the cage and doesn't need to be taken out.
There are other recommendations for feeding higher amounts at the beginning of an illness, but in our experience this is not practicable.

Whilst feeding, use the separate cup of water to rinse the syringe so that it does not become clogged up.

Please weigh the pig daily when syringe feeding as this will enable you to monitor whether you are feeding enough to maintain their weight. Make a note of their weight and the amount of syringes given, together with any probiotics or vitamin C and fluids.


Severe illness and total loss of appetite:
This is an emergency situation! Your aim is to keep your piggy alive and the guts from closing down until it has been seen ideally as an emergency case by a vet and the medication is kicking in. Please check with your vet whether your piggy will additionally need painkillers and a gut stimulant.

Find more tips for post-operation care in this guide here: Tips For Post-operative Care

Feed little but often round the clock. 3-5ml is often what you can realistically feed in one session every 2-3 hours with a guinea pig that is in major discomfort and that may struggle to swallow. It is also very uncooperative at this stage, so brace yourself that it can be a rather messy affair!
Make sure that you do not give more than 0.5 ml (i.e. one mouthful) at once in order to avoid anything going down the wrong way, but be aware that a piggy may only be able to cope with as little as 0.1 ml in one go. When dealing with a very poorly piggy you are aiming to give about 2ml over the course of 10-15 minutes whilst giving the piggy plenty of time to swallow and be ready for more, but depending on the severity/weakness of a piggy, it could be less. Always make sure that a piggy has swallowed the previous lot before giving more.
Also syringe as much water as the piggy will take; it is very likely not drinking either! In severe cases, you may want to use dioralyte to help rehydrating a piggy. Have the vet check your piggy for dehydration when you have it seen.
Any bit of feed you can get in during this stage can make the difference, even if you cannot make the full 40-60ml in the course of 24 hours. You may find that your piggy is a bit more willing to eat familiar tasting mushed up pellets; it can also help if you use still hand-warm boiled water when feeding the syringe mix and when watering.


I found this in the guide for a shortcut for your question
 
Are you using critical care or mushed nuggets? Critical care they tend to get fed up with faster
Using mashed nuggets and emeraid, because the guide said it was appetising for them. I've read the guide but because of bad UTI I'm not sure whether he's a healthy hungry dental pig or a poorly pig. My usual vet insisted he has 40ml a day. I wondered whether can give as much as 15ml in one go. Def feel like I have a newborn again :-)
 
How much and how often to syringe feed

A piggy needs different amounts of syringe feed and a different feeding regime depending on what kind of situation you are dealing with. If your guinea pig has still got its appetite, it may accept syringe feed in the cage and doesn't need to be taken out.
There are other recommendations for feeding higher amounts at the beginning of an illness, but in our experience this is not practicable.

Whilst feeding, use the separate cup of water to rinse the syringe so that it does not become clogged up.

Please weigh the pig daily when syringe feeding as this will enable you to monitor whether you are feeding enough to maintain their weight. Make a note of their weight and the amount of syringes given, together with any probiotics or vitamin C and fluids.


Severe illness and total loss of appetite:
This is an emergency situation! Your aim is to keep your piggy alive and the guts from closing down until it has been seen ideally as an emergency case by a vet and the medication is kicking in. Please check with your vet whether your piggy will additionally need painkillers and a gut stimulant.

Find more tips for post-operation care in this guide here: Tips For Post-operative Care

Feed little but often round the clock. 3-5ml is often what you can realistically feed in one session every 2-3 hours with a guinea pig that is in major discomfort and that may struggle to swallow. It is also very uncooperative at this stage, so brace yourself that it can be a rather messy affair!
Make sure that you do not give more than 0.5 ml (i.e. one mouthful) at once in order to avoid anything going down the wrong way, but be aware that a piggy may only be able to cope with as little as 0.1 ml in one go. When dealing with a very poorly piggy you are aiming to give about 2ml over the course of 10-15 minutes whilst giving the piggy plenty of time to swallow and be ready for more, but depending on the severity/weakness of a piggy, it could be less. Always make sure that a piggy has swallowed the previous lot before giving more.
Also syringe as much water as the piggy will take; it is very likely not drinking either! In severe cases, you may want to use dioralyte to help rehydrating a piggy. Have the vet check your piggy for dehydration when you have it seen.
Any bit of feed you can get in during this stage can make the difference, even if you cannot make the full 40-60ml in the course of 24 hours. You may find that your piggy is a bit more willing to eat familiar tasting mushed up pellets; it can also help if you use still hand-warm boiled water when feeding the syringe mix and when watering.


I found this in the guide for a shortcut for your question
Thank you, I've read the guide and not sure what category my pig is in. I bought a pudding bowl today to start weighing him on the scales. Hopefully the 10 ml I'm giving him at a time is enough.
 
Thank you anyar! He's eaten first time in about a week, parsley that I pushed in his mouth and he took a little himself, he's still struggling to pick up food himself, not sure if his incisors need to grow a bit.

Can I ask, do you give 15ml in one go? I'm new to syringe feeding and after 5-10 ml he seems fed up of it, I'm not sure how much is too much.

And how much overall would you try to get in them in 24 hours?

Many thanks..
Hi!

Yes, I usually give it in one go and then the next one around 3 to 4 hours after (My past sick piggies would never accept CC in syringe while in their cage so I always have to put them on my lap for better feeding). Although it would really depend if your piggy is nibbling or eating some food by himself or not. Knowing his daily weight will also give you a clue if you need to feed him more or less. Whenever I see my piggy maintain it's weight, I start syringe feeding less gradually, until he/she can cope by him/herself. With my past dental piggies cases, It varies how long I help them support with syringe feeding. One I would support only for 3-4 days. Another one will eat straight away after dental treatment. One I had to support for longer than a week. For the very sick ones, the one who really can't eat or nibble anything at all, I make sure to give them syringe food 100-120 mls everyday. Also, while syringe feeding, I always try to feed them strips of veggies, grass, hay, and pellets to encourage them to eat by their own. There are guinea pigs who would eat CC in syringe with no problems, but some would also refuse it. So I alternate the selection of food during feeding time.

The link the others provided about syringe feeding is a good guide.
 
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Hi!

Yes, I usually give it in one go and then the next one around 3 to 4 hours after (My past sick piggies would never accept CC in syringe while in their cage so I always have to put them on my lap for better feeding). Although it would really depend if your piggy is nibbling or eating some food by himself or not. Knowing his daily weight will also give you a clue if you need to feed him more or less. Whenever I see my piggy maintain it's weight, I start syringe feeding less gradually, until he/she can cope by him/herself. With my past dental piggies cases, It varies how long I help them support with syringe feeding. One I would support only for 3-4 days. Another one will eat straight away after dental treatment. One I had to support for longer than a week. Also, while syringe feeding, I always try to feed them strips of veggies, grass, hay, and pellets to encourage them to eat by their own. There are guinea pigs who would eat CC in syringe with no problems, but some would also refuse it. So I alternate the selection of food during feeding time.

The link the others provided about syringe feeding is a good guide.
Yes he's been dependent on syringe feeding only for a week. I've read the guide and it was a great help but hard to judge what daily amount is right for my pig so thought I'd ask you about the 15ml.
 
OK we have a breakthrough with you mentioning strips of food. Where his back teeth are starting to be useable but his front teeth not, hes been unable to pick up food but little strips of cucumber he's just eaten independently as I seems he can take it straight to the back of his mouth. Phew. Thanks !
 
Yes he's been dependent on syringe feeding only for a week. I've read the guide and it was a great help but hard to judge what daily amount is right for my pig so thought I'd ask you about the 15ml.
What was your piggy's weight before he got the problems? And what is his weight now? Knowing this may help you how much food you can give him. If he keeps on losing weight everyday, increase the syringe feeding along with helping/encouring him get to eat his regular food.
 
OK we have a breakthrough with you mentioning strips of food. Where his back teeth are starting to be useable but his front teeth not, hes been unable to pick up food but little strips of cucumber he's just eaten independently as I seems he can take it straight to the back of his mouth. Phew. Thanks !
That's good. That's what I do. I put the strips of veggies in the mouth (not straight to the back of course) and let them eat it from there. But check every feeding time if he can pick up the food from the bowl himself. Their teeth grows quickly everyday so you wouldn't have to help him put the food in his mouth for a long time.
 
That's good. That's what I do. I put the strips of veggies in the mouth (not straight to the back of course) and let them eat it from there. But check every feeding time if he can pick up the food from the bowl himself. Their teeth grows quickly everyday so you wouldn't have to help him put the food in his mouth for a long time.
Thank you for all that info. He was 1.6 now 1.2kg. There's a tiny pile of hamster like poos, first in days so assume stasis has been avoided.

But he now seems weaker and making a crackling sound. Wonder if death rattle and I should take him to be PTS or whether URI. Or whether he's just not able to take in the feeding. He's been on baytril for days for cystitis, just passed bloody urine.

0.5 ml baytril every 12 hours, is that enough?
 
Baytril can upset gut flora so giving probiotics is always a good idea. You can get Pro-C from Pets at Home or off Amazon. Just put a pinch in about 5 - 10 ml of water and syringe it in around an hour or so after you give the Baytril.
 
I am guessing you are syringe feeding? He may have aspirated a little of the syringe food. Is he still wanting to take syringe food? What size syringe are you using for feeding? The 1ml syringe with the end cut off is the best. Some people use the 15ml syringe, but it is far easier to cause aspiration with one of those, if you aren't an experienced syringe feeder. I didn't realise he had cystitis too, in addition to the dental issues. Did you tell Kim about the cystitis? I would've thought she would have suggested a change of antibiotic.
 
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