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Velvet has been bleeding

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Wiebke said:
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I am so sorry; it looks rather like interstitial cystitis now. :(

You may want to treat rather for inflammation than bacterial infection. But it looks like you have caught it very early on, caring mummy that you are! If you give antibiotics, you will need to use fairly high doses.

Pearl barley is certainly an option.
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sorry love tried to warn you first!
i think i better have a chat with a few of you guys that have been thru this then.....
yeah she's on 0.45ml twice daily of baytril, and i'll be giving 2 drops of the dog metacam per day (unless i'm advised further) for a couple of days at least.
 
Ohhhhh Velvet! Big HUGE get well soon huggles, chin tickles and vibes from me, the boys and tabby wishing you a speedy recovery xxxxxx
 
So sorry she is poorly. Sending huge healing wheaky vibes to you both. I do hope she will be ok. x
 
gplearner said:
Oh Glynis - must be v worrying. Have you PMd those pics to Abi Nurse or Pebble or Suzy? Hope it becomes clearer so that you at least know what you are dealing with. Does look like quite 'fresh' tissue that has come away. Love to Velvet
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fab idea i'll pm them now and ask for them to have a sticky beak XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx
 
Glynis said:
sorry love tried to warn you first!
i think i better have a chat with a few of you guys that have been thru this then.....
yeah she's on 0.45ml twice daily of baytril, and i'll be giving 2 drops of the dog metacam per day (unless i'm advised further) for a couple of days at least.
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Metacam will certainly help on 2 fronts - pain relief and it's anti inflamatory. We used to give it to Putt for her bladder wall inflamation. Love to Velvet x
 
Thanks Mate XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

luckily i got some not too long ago for Onyx ! so it's a fresh bottle!

will pass on the loves, she sends some back at you all xx>>>xx>>>xx>>>
 
Hi Glynis

When it comes to bladder problems I tend to defer to Flintstones, Pebble and the other more experienced members. The tissue that she's passed, possibly a encapsulated stone/adhesion/infection that's become dislodged, just guessing really as I've not seen the like before. If it's uterine rather than bladder then are you thinking of a spay?

I can only send my love to you and Velvey and hope for the very best. Kisses to Onyx, I'm sure she's being a comfort through all this.

Suzy x
 
Hugs to you!

Sorry about my lack of reply. By the sounds of it this came from the bladder, but without a def diagnoses from the lab you really cannot be 100% sure on what it is. Suzy has mentioned a few good options, but hopefully you will get an answer soon.

Sounds like your doing about all you can, keeping the pain/discomfort under control, helping sooth the bladder a bit too. it may be worth (if she lets you), having a sit down and syringing her a large amount of water to help flush out the bladder. Your vet may also need to do some more diagnostic tests if the lab comes back inconclusive. An ultrasound or a contrast xray (where contrast liquid is placed into the bladder) to see if more can be seen.

So sorry to hear about little Velvet! My fuzzies send her lots of healing Wheeks! :(

x.
 
:( hugs to you Glynis! Poor Velvet, sending her lots of healing vibes and it sounds like you're doing the best you currently can!
 
Hi Glynis

I think this one has us all baffled as I too have never come across something like this before.

Until you get the histopathology results we won;t know for sure if it is uterine or bladder....

The fact "it" has come out is a good sign - whatever "it" is - (possibly an encapsulated stone/growth/polyp/focus of infection as Suzy suggests) as it could mean the body has walled it off and rejected it and there is clean tissue underneath.

Ultrasound would be next to ensure there's nothing still lingering from wherever it came from.

In the interim - keep flushing with fluids/cranberry/pearl barley. Make sure she is eating/pooing properly and has adequate pain relief. Your dosages for baytril and meta-cam are OK.

If she is in pain and meta-cam is not cutting the mustard, I have found trama-dol (given in conjunction with meta-cam) is a better pain reliever for urinary/internal issues. It is an opioid so can slightly slow down the gut so a bit of zan-tac with cis-apride or meto-clopromide may also be required to keep her pooping regularly. Cartrophen is also good - I was considering it for Maple with his regular bleeding from the bladder and arthritis but thankfully a capsule of cyst-aid per day seems to have improved things for him.

Whee will all keep you company during this worrying time.
Poor Velvey and poor you! Sending you lots of hugs and healing wheeks.

x
 
Not seen anything like this here but wanted to send you lots of love and healing vibes for Velvet xoxoxoxoxoxo Kisses to Onyx too from Misty and me x
 
What a shock it must have been when you saw that come out of Velvet.

I truly hope Pebble's comment about it being a good sign "it" has come out proves correct.

Tuesday is such a long time to wait. My very best wishes for a good outcome.
 
I hope velvet is ok. Tuesday is a long way away so let's hope you get some answers after you're worrying weekend. Sending lots of hugs and get well wishes x
 
Oh Glynis. So sorry Velvet's poorly and you don't know what it is at the mo, you must be so stressed out. (((((hugs))))) for you and healing vibes for Velvet:laluot_29::laluot_29::laluot_29:
 
Thanks Everyone XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

OK Suzy, Abi_Nurse and Pebble's thanks for all that info!

No i hadn't thought of spaying, but if that's what is needed whee will have to go thru with it :(

She is happy in herself i'd say, no sitting there in pain (never really shows pain) she's eating well and lapping up all the fluids! I gave her 40ml of cranberry watered down this morning, she was really good with this. They're both used to syringes (bought them up this way) so that is no issue at all. Her weight is good and i've not seen any blood on her or in their house since last night. So crossing paws it is a once off and 'the thing' that came out is the only one that was in there.

Brendan is away for the week SIGH...... but he'll get the results emailed to him and then i will call the girls. I know i could ask for an xray to be done but then i'd want him to view it.
I'll make sure that i get the full results of her tests and put them on here for you all to peruse.

I wanted to describe 'the thing' : cream/white, bloodied, about the size of my thumb nail (my nails aren't long), Brendan prodded it with a long instrument (looked like a knitting needle) and it was sort of spongy it didn't break up at all with him prodding it. Hope that info helps more, sorry i didn't think of it until during the night when i was awake........
 
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Oh Glynis i just got caught up on this thread. I'm sorry poor little Velvey is so unwell. I really hope you get some answers and good news soon. Pull through, little pig!
 
Oh gosh I just saw this thread! Poor little thing. I am so sorry to hear how poorly she is. :( I really hope she can recover soon.
 
Just checking in to see how you and Velvey are today Glynis.

Good to hear she's eating/drinking/weeing/pooing/wheeking and that she doesn;t appear to be in pain. Hope you;re bearing up with the worry waiting for the results.


Given the expense of diagnostic imaging for piggies, can I suggest you go for ultrasound rather than X ray as the "thing" is soft tissue and an ultrasound will show up irregularities in the bladder/uterus/ovaries ......to an experienced eye. The images might have to be sent away for interpretation by a specialist if your vet is unsure but it's worth it.

Bandit's last ultrasound showed a thickened irregular kidney capsule and irregularly sized kidney - this would not have shown up on Xray so I'm glad I insisted on ultrasound instead as it enabled us to both rule out stones and idenitfy the problem with only one procedure (Also ultrasound can be done without GA whereas many vets prefer to GA for XRay in order to ensure clear unblurred images of the right area)

Keep your chin up Hun

x
 
Monday 23/7/12

Velvet has had a comfortable weekend!
No more blood PHEW (mind you i'm touching wood and my head!)

Thanks Pebble's x>>x>>
I'll mention ultrasound to Brendan tho i'm pretty sure he hasn't the equipment i know they do xrays tho...... mmm

Her weight is still stable, poops are good and no grit or anything in her wee's.

She is enjoying her Patrick Juice (aka pearl barley water) she laps it up! I'm getting around 60mls of P juice and probiotics into her at the moment, ideally i'd like to get more in but she's had enough after awhile so i'm not pushing her at the moment (if i need to in the future she and I will just have to 'discuss' it more)

Brendan also said that her diabetes could be partially to blame?
 
vet update 23/7

Just had call from vets (she had a cycology test done first) the results are:

1. Infection
2. Tissues was from the reproductive Tract
3. abnormal cells, not sure what so a histology is now going to be done.

I'm getting the results faxed thru to me, if you want me to put them on here i can.

any thoughts you guys? :...:0
 
Specimen: small piece of soft tissue measuring approx. 1.5cm x 0.5cm, six impression smears made

Cytology: the slides are highly cellular and of excellent quality. Numerous heterophils are present, both viable and degenerate, and there are moderate numbers of bacteria, appearing as fine coccobacilli, which are mostly extracellular but also sometimes identified with heterophil cytoplasm. Wtihin the background, there is a moderate amount of blood with meoderate nubmers of plump spindle cells and frequent small to medium sized clusters of pleomorphic polygonal cells of suspected epithelial origin. These cells contain oval to angular nuclei with moderate anisolkaryosis, moderate to maked karyomegaly, coarse chromatin, occasional nuclear molding and small prominent necleoli which are often multiple. Cytoplasm is poorly defined, moderate and lightly basophilic.

Interpretation: Septice suppurative inflammation with suspected underlying carcinoma, see comment

Comments: cytology indicated a prominent heterophil inflammatory reaction which includes both intracellular and extracellular bacteria, indicative of bacterial infection. This is not uncommon in diabetic anminals as gluco... (sorry can't read this word) can provice a growth medium for bacterial. There are additional cells in the background which appear to be both epithelial and spindle cell in origin. The spindle cells could be reactive and are the less prominent cellular component. The epithelial cells are forming aggregates which are sometimes highly atypical. Interpretation of such cells is cautions, as inflammation can readily induce dysplastic change in surround cells, however there is quite a lot of pleomorphism in these cells which is suspicious for an underlying carcinoma. It would be prudent to confirm this with histopathology.

signed by the vet pathologist
 
Oh my, poor Velvey :(. Not going to lie, I read the report but I understood about 5 words of it. I hope that the vet can do something about her problem, and she makes a quick recovery!
 
Yeah...I understood that one. Hopefully if it is cancerous it could be treated by a spay or another way. Try not to think of the negative possibilities, and be hopeful of a full recovery! We're all here for you and velvet if you need to chat xx. Pig kisses from me and the boys. xoxo
 
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