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I think it's an excuse used by the person to justify their actions & think i may know who/where this "rescue" is :(
 
I have nothing against responsible breeders of guinea pigs at all but...... When it comes to breeding rescue pigs this is a complete and utter no no. These pigs are what they are ie rescue . . . Some from terrible backgrounds. To then breed from them is not acceptable. I am intrigued as to who the rescue person is I must say. X
 
nutmeg said:
This rescue also saves quite a few piggies from auctions and rehomes them. Another discussion point. x
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they seem to do good with everything except this one thing, a big thing still though.

nutmeg - changing the subject! who is the piggy in the signature! one of the cutest piggies ever!
 
nutmeg said:
This rescue also saves quite a few piggies from auctions and rehomes them. Another discussion point. x
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They seem to be mis-guided, has anyone discussed their breeding policy with them? Do they know they are potentially harming and adding to the numbers of piggies they are trying to rescue and rehome? What reputable rescue (of any animal) does not do home checks?
My cat is a rescue (and bless him he doesn't quite know how to handle piggies), I had home check, went to meet him and only once the foster carer was satisfied and had agreement from the rescue was I allowed to collect him.

Perhaps I am naive, but fostering for Fi in Bristol, I thought all rescues do home visits, make sure people understand what they are taking on, etc.

Sorry for the long ranty post, but I guess I have just had my eyes opened a little :0
 
this is absolutely horrible!
Breeding and rescue DO NOT go hand in hand,
Does this person realise they could kill numerous piggies and babies by doing this?
If the did homechecks they would weed out people who breed,i know at least 6 different rescues on here and in australia and its rare that a mistake is made in the new home as the rehoming process is so strict,
I am very disgusted by this person and there so called "rescue",i dont think piggies will suffer if this person is shutdown as they are suffering in this rescues care anyway!.
I have a strong feeling i know who it is as i have had doubts about this person and rescue for a very long time,is this person a member and can we name names? they do deserve to be exposed xx
 
KingBoris&HisFollowers said:
this is absolutely horrible!
Breeding and rescue DO NOT go hand in hand,
Does this person realise they could kill numerous piggies and babies by doing this?
If the did homechecks they would weed out people who breed,i know at least 6 different rescues on here and in australia and its rare that a mistake is made in the new home as the rehoming process is so strict,
I am very disgusted by this person and there so called "rescue",i dont think piggies will suffer if this person is shutdown as they are suffering in this rescues care anyway!.
I have a strong feeling i know who it is as i have had doubts about this person and rescue for a very long time,is this person a member and can we name names? they do deserve to be exposed xx
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no, not a member on here.
 
Deb H said:
They seem to be mis-guided, has anyone discussed their breeding policy with them? Do they know they are potentially harming and adding to the numbers of piggies they are trying to rescue and rehome? What reputable rescue (of any animal) does not do home checks?
My cat is a rescue (and bless him he doesn't quite know how to handle piggies), I had home check, went to meet him and only once the foster carer was satisfied and had agreement from the rescue was I allowed to collect him.

Perhaps I am naive, but fostering for Fi in Bristol, I thought all rescues do home visits, make sure people understand what they are taking on, etc.

Sorry for the long ranty post, but I guess I have just had my eyes opened a little :0
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i think someone who helped there told the rescue they should advertise as a rescue and breeder so people know. so they are obv aware but doesn't look like they see anything wrong with what they are doing with the breeding. :(
 
I am horrified

An earlier post said this could mean the rescue isnt too fussy I agree

I know ferrets need to be mated for some reason but to allow any creature to have a litter is insane

venice
 
venice said:
I am horrified

An earlier post said this could mean the rescue isnt too fussy I agree

I know ferrets need to be mated for some reason but to allow any creature to have a litter is insane

venice
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ferrets dont need to be mated,thats another myth,they do however need to be desexed before a certain age to prevent severe behaviour issues
 
And smells

are you sure re mating, not necessary with intact male but I thought when I had contact several yaers ago with our ferret rescue he said that females needed mating with desexed male



cant remember lots of water has flowed under the bridge since then so i no doubt have my wires crossed

never had a ferret ( which I guess on this site is like swearing :) but I do like then)

venice




KingBoris&HisFollowers said:
ferrets dont need to be mated,thats another myth,they do however need to be desexed before a certain age to prevent severe behaviour issues
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Female ferrets can also become very aneamic if left to constantly come into season. Our vets had one taken in, she wasn't a year old and she died she was so ill with aneamia- her owner hadn't done the research.:(
Female ferrets can also be speyed.

I know of a rescue who also doesn't do homechecks, they go by gut instinct.rolleyes
They also breed their rescue poultry, and have bred guinea pigs and most people find it acceptable in the area.:{
 
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction...To call yourself a rescue and then breed from the animals that you rescue?
Especially in this case. They're adding to the problem as well as stressing out piggies that may have come from horrible backgrounds.
Even if they haven't come from horrible backgrounds, it's still not right.

I just think it's a bit unfair, among other unlady-like words, to call yourself a rescue and then (in a round about way) harm the animals that you're "rescuing".
Isn't that like fraud only not taking quite so seriously?
 
i have found out even more things about this so called 'rescue' now! :0 i am now very convinced that saying it will help the sows in the future is an excuse to breed. :0
 
does anyone know who i can report this so called rescue to?

i don't know what i can do though as no-one who has confirmed and told me things is willing to speak out so it would be my word over the rescues and it could all be covered up or denied by people. :0

i think this should be about the guineas and what is happeneing isn't best for them.

if all this comes back on me the so be it...i cannot stand by and pretend i don't know.

at the very least this place should let the public know they are a rescue and breeder. even though in my book this contradicts completely. but people shouldn't be donating money and hutches etc when they don't know. these donated hutches are probably being filled with babies!

i have also heard that some of the fancier breed babies have been sold and alot of sows have not been lucky enough to survive. babies aswell.

to be honest i am really upset and completely disgusted.

i hope this rescue doesn't take rspca piggies aswell to help them.

if they find out everyone knows it will be easier for them to cover up everything. so i need to report this somewhere.

i can't sit back and do nothing. not when these poor piggies are being bred from and rehomed anywhere. :0
 
biscandmatt said:
they seem to do good with everything except this one thing, a big thing still though.

nutmeg - changing the subject! who is the piggy in the signature! one of the cutest piggies ever!
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This is Harry, and he goes to his new forever home with Bob tomorrow...Yippeeeeeee for them. x
 
biscandmatt said:
does anyone know who i can report this so called rescue to?

i don't know what i can do though as no-one who has confirmed and told me things is willing to speak out so it would be my word over the rescues and it could all be covered up or denied by people. :0

i think this should be about the guineas and what is happeneing isn't best for them.

if all this comes back on me the so be it...i cannot stand by and pretend i don't know.

at the very least this place should let the public know they are a rescue and breeder. even though in my book this contradicts completely. but people shouldn't be donating money and hutches etc when they don't know. these donated hutches are probably being filled with babies!

i have also heard that some of the fancier breed babies have been sold and alot of sows have not been lucky enough to survive. babies aswell.

to be honest i am really upset and completely disgusted.

i hope this rescue doesn't take rspca piggies aswell to help them.

if they find out everyone knows it will be easier for them to cover up everything. so i need to report this somewhere.

i can't sit back and do nothing. not when these poor piggies are being bred from and rehomed anywhere. :0
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As far as I remember, this rescue has a very good working relationship with the RSPCA. The thing is, Joe public probably does not realize the downsides of breeding, so in their eyes, the good work done there may well outweigh the breeding. I thought that the only rescues they bred from were the young sows either brought in or born in rescue, to let them have one litter, to avoid problems later (not my words but theirs) There is a lot of general support around for this for this theory, although many on here have given good reasons why this is not actually the case. This being said, if they truly do believe this, then maybe they feel they are acting albeit in ignorance, in the best interests of those piggies.....maybe? However, if they are handed 'pedigree' pigs into rescue, breed from them and make money, that is another discussion altogether, I have no knowledge of this happening. xx
 
nutmeg said:
As far as I remember, this rescue has a very good working relationship with the RSPCA. The thing is, Joe public probably does not realize the downsides of breeding, so in their eyes, the good work done there may well outweigh the breeding. I thought that the only rescues they bred from were the young sows either brought in or born in rescue, to let them have one litter, to avoid problems later (not my words but theirs) There is a lot of general support around for this for this theory, although many on here have given good reasons why this is not actually the case. This being said, if they truly do believe this, then maybe they feel they are acting albeit in ignorance, in the best interests of those piggies.....maybe? However, if they are handed 'pedigree' pigs into rescue, breed from them and make money, that is another discussion altogether, I have no knowledge of this happening. xx
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yes, i have had it confirmed to me that the rescues are bred from once, as admitted by the owner....but there is also the selling of the pedigree babies aswell for money...sows and babies have been lost through this practice....no homechecks.... etc etc....

also have been told by someone that they are not people to best have issues with...and this has been going a long time and they know the council so nothing is likely to be done.....

this are things i have been told...the only things i heard first hand were about letting the rescues have a litter and about showing the pigs....

some things that were said to me made me think that this person didn't really care as much as they said.... they way things were worded to me were very strangely put...and the fact this person went to piggy shows and came back with 8 pigs, told me they have no problem with breeders (when they rescue and see the destruction it can cause) and also managed to pick up 'a bargain' from a show...a piggy that had one strand of black when it was meant to be all white...so they said 'why don't you just tippex the black hair' the breeder didn't want to so this person bought the pig. just buying them when they have a rescue full is strange to me aswell.

been told also that if you go there it is very obv what is going on...and i am thinking lots of people probably know but no-one wants to speak out about them. not the people to speak out against apparantly.

saying that, people have said how nice the person is and how well the rescue seems to care for them etc.... and help out alot in the area.

so everything i have heard myself and from others makes me think this person is either not the brightest and thinks they are helping....or the opposite and very clever with their wording. but they can't be both because it wouldn't make sense.
 
right, i am being told so many things by different people so people do know about what is going on. all anonymous though i'm afraid. so i can't so anything with the info given.

rspca also work closely with this rescue...

i am stunned. i know things go on...but i never though anyone could do this.

i am in no doubt now that they know exactly what they are doing. :( and it has been happening for a very long time. they know people, the council, rspca, so obv no-one cares. :( or do but are too afraid to speak out. :(

so bad the way things are now - people can't even speak out against people incase something happens to them. :(
 
biscandmatt said:
been told also that if you go there it is very obv what is going on...and i am thinking lots of people probably know but no-one wants to speak out about them. not the people to speak out against apparantly.

saying that, people have said how nice the person is and how well the rescue seems to care for them etc.... and help out alot in the area.

so everything i have heard myself and from others makes me think this person is either not the brightest and thinks they are helping....or the opposite and very clever with their wording. but they can't be both because it wouldn't make sense.
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Any sort of breeding programme is not apparently obvious, I think I did the full tour and did not see any evidence of this.

biscandmatt said:
rspca also work closely with this rescue...

i am stunned. i know things go on...but i never though anyone could do this.

i am in no doubt now that they know exactly what they are doing. :( and it has been happening for a very long time. they know people, the council, rspca, so obv no-one cares. :( or do but are too afraid to speak out. :(

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I imagine as far as the RSPCA are concerned, if they see what I saw, it would be clean cages, lots of food, hay, water, healthy pigs, looked after full time by this person, so there would be no cause for concern on their part.


Just to say, I am by no means whatsoever condoning any bad practices that may be going on, but I have been there and these are my observations. xx
 
all these bad things happening are true and have been going on for a long time.

this place has been investigated by the council at one stage aswell. they won't say they rescue and breed because they don't want the hassle and investigation again.
 
I am wondering if this is a rescue I know of? If so I know some info on it too! Nutmeg I have Pm'd you!
 
It has been confirmed as the place I know about so I will post what I know.

Firstly I know nothing of breeding from rescue pigs. The info I know came from a two hour phone conversation with the person who owns the rescue. I have never been there so haven't seen what it is like!

I rang the person concerned when I was looking for 2 girl pigs for my two neutered boys. The person seemed really friendly and nice and seemed like they loved guineas and cared for them well. They confirmed I could take mine down with me for introductions which is respectable.

I mentioned a homecheck as I am very far away and they said I didn't need one as they could tell a person's charector well..... (A little concerning)

The thing that concerned me the most was that they were talking about numerous breeds they had, which I have never heard of that sounded like show breeds. They talked of going to shows and offering money to breeders to take pigs off their hands. They did state that these were their own pigs and not available for adoption though!

They also talked of breeding pure breds. (Can't think of the breed as was a rare one I presume as never heard of them). They also talked of sometimes putting one breed in with another to see what babies would be like....

It put me off and I didn't end up going down...
 
seems alot of people are aware from the pm's so i think word of mouth is better here to inform people.

it will come back to me anyway! :... but i haven't named them, just put the info out and if people know then they know....

so much info has been told to me.... :(
 
Briony_Y said:
I just want to add. I do think the person's heart is in the right place just a little misguided....
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they think they are helping some pigs by buying them from the shows.

i think they know exactly what they are doing. i can't say some things that have been said as they have told me in confidence and i cannot betray their trust. but i think this person, as nice as they are/appear to be, know what they are doing.
 
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