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By the way, I have told her she needs to spot clean daily (never happened), clean weekly (happened twice) and wash her hands (happened once). Says her learning disabilities affect her memory. She does, however, remember to feed and water them daily. Go figure.

I would say maybe she should swap to back 2 nature bedding instead of carefresh because in my personal oppinion it reduces smell more than carefresh does. I put newspaper on the bottom of the cage, then back2 nature and then hay to cover it x
 
And if she keeps the animals, even if she manages to turn the taking care part of them around, they're going to grow older in what is almost definitely a tiny cage.

If someone thinks they are doing enough for their pets, and they aren't, that's on them. I'm not arguing that. But if they think they're doing the best for them, THAT'S where the issue is. If this lady came on the forum now, and saw us saying that basically her pets aren't going to live and that's that, I know I'd say "screw it" and leave it at that.

Get someone into a proper routine of taking care of their pets. That includes the welfare checks, the health checks, the feeding, the cleaning out. Get a time to do it on a specific day. Treat it as learning by rote if you need to, but get someone physically doing the things that they need to do. Sometimes it won't sink in otherwise, and even telling them won't be enough. We were all new owners once, we were all at a point where we didn't know really what we were doing, we all had to learn. Some of us learn sooner than others. But if someone hasn't had a chance to learn, taking into account how they live on a daily basis, then they won't learn. And getting rid of the pets now won't change the fact that down the line, they'll still want that company and they'll almost certainly repeat all the same mistakes. But you know what they won't do? Ask for help after the first time around. And there's a possibility they won't have someone like @Jaden to help them out again either.

Jaden, the social worker - you said you had their details. Do you know them at all, have you ever met or spoken to them before? I'm wondering how sympathetic they might be, because if they're the sort of person who might be able to help, enlisting them might be a good idea. They won't be able to help physically clean the pets out or anything, but there's something they might be able to do like get a routine going, talk about hygiene, you get the idea.

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You are being brilliant Jaden it must be a real worry to you. You are doing brilliantly. Is it not worth having a word to your friends social worker, then I assume she visits, so she can say something when she visits. That way you have prewarned her, & she can just say what on earth is that smell etc etc.
 
It does need addressing asap because they could die in those conditions. The place where you live, is it council or private rented or something? Is she actually allowed pets in the house? It would be a shame for her to give them up because i can imagine if she's lonely this wouldn't be the best way of making her feel better, but she does need to know that these conditions aren't adequate for her pets. I would try making cleaning them out fun for her at first but also make the social worker aware of the situation and tell them that your trying your best and if it doesn't work you will need them to intervene.
 
I would definitely take her to a vet to check her pets. Maybe if she hears from a vet that they need to live in a cleaner environment then she will remember better because learning things in different places/situations is supposed to improve the memory and understanding of people with learning disabilities. I was told this as I have a friend with learning disabilities, I admire that you are trying to help. Good on you!
 
I definitely think she would enjoy being on this forum to get some help and she might enjoy looking through everyone's pictures to see how our piggies live and this might make her think that she would like to provide her piggies with a nice environment if she sees one she likes on here. I know this is a big ask but please can you help her clean them out, just for the first time. Maybe you could make it fun for her maybe she would prefer fleece because you can get some really lovely colours and patterned ones and she might enjoy changing the fleece to give the piggies a nice change. Maybe you could help her set like themes for their cages depending on what fleece she uses on what day. So one day she might have a blue and red fleece on so she could have a blue plastic house to match and then on the next clean our day she could have say an orange fleece with spots on and she could give them the orange house to match. I know this would cost abit to start her off because she would need matching coloured items but I'm just thinking of ways to make her look forward to cleaning them out instead of her maybe feeling overwhelmed or like she doesn't know what she's doing. I actually like cleaning my piggies out because I like to know they are sleeping in clean bedding. Maybe she just needs a nudge in the right direction. I don't really know about chinchillas that much so can't really help on that one but maybe she could buy him/her some new toys and rotate between them on every cage clean? I hope she can get herself sorted before she moves.
I definitely think she would enjoy being on this forum to get some help and she might enjoy looking through everyone's pictures to see how our piggies live and this might make her think that she would like to provide her piggies with a nice environment if she sees one she likes on here. I know this is a big ask but please can you help her clean them out, just for the first time. Maybe you could make it fun for her maybe she would prefer fleece because you can get some really lovely colours and patterned ones and she might enjoy changing the fleece to give the piggies a nice change. Maybe you could help her set like themes for their cages depending on what fleece she uses on what day. So one day she might have a blue and red fleece on so she could have a blue plastic house to match and then on the next clean our day she could have say an orange fleece with spots on and she could give them the orange house to match. I know this would cost abit to start her off because she would need matching coloured items but I'm just thinking of ways to make her look forward to cleaning them out instead of her maybe feeling overwhelmed or like she doesn't know what she's doing. I actually like cleaning my piggies out because I like to know they are sleeping in clean bedding. Maybe she just needs a nudge in the right direction. I don't really know about chinchillas that much so can't really help on that one but maybe she could buy him/her some new toys and rotate between them on every cage clean? I hope she can get herself sorted before she moves.
I definitely think she would enjoy being on this forum to get some help and she might enjoy looking through everyone's pictures to see how our piggies live and this might make her think that she would like to provide her piggies with a nice environment if she sees one she likes on here. I know this is a big ask but please can you help her clean them out, just for the first time. Maybe you could make it fun for her maybe she would prefer fleece because you can get some really lovely colours and patterned ones and she might enjoy changing the fleece to give the piggies a nice change. Maybe you could help her set like themes for their cages depending on what fleece she uses on what day. So one day she might have a blue and red fleece on so she could have a blue plastic house to match and then on the next clean our day she could have say an orange fleece with spots on and she could give them the orange house to match. I know this would cost abit to start her off because she would need matching coloured items but I'm just thinking of ways to make her look forward to cleaning them out instead of her maybe feeling overwhelmed or like she doesn't know what she's doing. I actually like cleaning my piggies out because I like to know they are sleeping in clean bedding. Maybe she just needs a nudge in the right direction. I don't really know about chinchillas that much so can't really help on that one but maybe she could buy him/her some new toys and rotate between them on every cage clean? I hope she can get herself sorted before she moves.
@Jaden please could you add your location to your profile as it may assist us in providing more specific recommendations for you and your friend. Here's a link showing how to add your location and a profile photo. https://www.theguineapigforum.co.uk...cation-and-creating-an-avatar-picture.107444/
 
Done. I know social workers first name and office location, so thanks to all of your support, I am going to give her a call and have a gentle conversation. They see each once a week and I will suggest they meet at her home. I have to trust this stranger's confidentialty. Sandy may think "why didn't you talk to me?". I did, many times, but you wouldn't listen or perhaps remember. Today, she came back and closed all the windows to keep apt cool. I told her I worry about her health because of the odors and urged her to keep them open. I will keep you all posted. Thank you!
 
Done. I know social workers first name and office location, so thanks to all of your support, I am going to give her a call and have a gentle conversation. They see each once a week and I will suggest they meet at her home. I have to trust this stranger's confidentialty. Sandy may think "why didn't you talk to me?". I did, many times, but you wouldn't listen or perhaps remember. Today, she came back and closed all the windows to keep apt cool. I told her I worry about her health because of the odors and urged her to keep them open. I will keep you all posted. Thank you!

That's good progress! x
 
Social worker not reurning my calls. She is meeting with Sandy at her home in 45 minutes. Well, I tried.
 
Hopefully she will be able to help sort the situation out once and for all, please do keep us updated if you hear anything back from her :)
 
Makes me wonder about this social worker. Yes, I will keep you,posted.
 
Still not returning my calls. I even spoke with two others there who said they would relay the message directly to her. I guess their only role is to be "nice" (as Sandy says) and deliver occasional baked goods. No time for the important issues. I suppose if the pigs die and Sandy goes back into a dark depression, that will get her attention. Sad.
 
That's so bad that you are raising concerns about your friend who they are supposed to take care of and they are ignoring you! Is there anyone higher than this woman that you can ask to speak to? I'm sorry that this is such a frustrating thing for you to be going through I wish we could help you in some other way your clearly a very good friend to sandy x
 
Personally if I was in that situation I would be trying to support Sandy by buying items she needs to keep the guinea pigs clean and healthy. I would even clean the animals cage for her.
There is no way I could see an animal suffer and see my friend's mental health get worse because of that.
The Social Workers are there to support people, they would not be able to get involved with animal care. They should however be responsible for ensuring Sandy is able to live independently as possible that should also include maintain basic hygiene and cleanliness if only for her own health.
You haven't stated which country you are in. I would assume it is America. You could contact an organisation such as the Humane Society and give them details of the animals poor living standards. They should be experts in dealing with sensitive situations like Sandy is living in. They could offer support in caring for her animals and supervise her to ensure things improve. This would mean Sandy would still have care of her animals but under expert guidance.
 
I already spoke with the Humane Society. Nothing they can do but remove the animals. I am leaving this home soon and no matter what I do and say, Sandy does not understand or admit to the situation. She is now doing a crossword puzzle on the floor right next to the cages, amidst the poop and odor. This will take her a week or so. I tend to disagree that addressing this (not caring for them) is not the role of a social worker. It is not my role - I have tried and it is a much bigger, long-term health issue. The only other option is to contact her only son, who is out of town. He has a "keep her at arms length" relationship, but is also the one who gave her the $ for the second pig. He is rarely around, so doubtful he can / will do much. I will try and of course, keep you posted.
 
Worried val of york... I am not in a position to buy anything for her animals care, nor do I think I should. I have done more to help her l, on many levels, than anyone in her life and am proud of that. To assume I am doing nothing by not cleaning the cages is unfair. They might be dead if not for me.
 
Could you make sandy a weekly chart of how to look after the animals. So like on Monday they get a full cleaning day and they obviously get fresh water and food as well as a full clean. Tuesday fresh food, water hay and spot clean. Wednesday fresh food water, hay and spot clean And so on. And stick it somewhere she will see it.
 
Jaden, for the animals' health you really should properly clean them out. It sounds like Sandy will only learn by example and demonstration. Tell her how upset it is making you and then when you have cleaned them express how happy you are. It really does sound desperate. They will die if they are living in filthy conditions.
 
Okay, this thread is going to start to get upsetting to members. We had a similar type thread a few months ago that was very distressing to read through. Suggestions have been given and you have tried various ways to no avail..

I already spoke with the Humane Society. Nothing they can do but remove the animals. I am leaving this home soon and no matter what I do and say, Sandy does not understand or admit to the situation.

Perhaps this is what you need to do. as they will hopefully investigate as the UK based RSPCA would and possibly remove the piggies from the situation.

I am closing this thread now as there is nothing to be gained by further going over the situation.
 
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