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Anya's Abcess Has Come Back?

TheLottiediarys

TheLottiediarys

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Hi guys,
Was doing nails today's and realised Anya Abcess has come back,
About a monto ago she was at the vets with it originally, they gave us Metacam and Baytril to clear it up

It's come back
It was leaking so I cleaned it up with some wound wash
I'll take her to the vets tomorrow

Any idea what I can expect?
 
A long time ago One of my pigs (Polly)had a vert aggressive jaw abscess, my vet John Dinsdail decided that the only way to treat it was to remove all the necrotic (bad)tissue, and then remove a few centimeters of the health surrounding tissue, Polly had no more problems and and needed no meds of any sort and lived for over 3 more years

I have pics and videos, l will have to get admin to add my other pc with all my pig pics and vidios
 
It's quite possible that the last course of antibiotics didn't fully clear the abscess up. Baytril isn't the best option for abscesses either, she'll need something stronger from the vet. They may choose to lance and drain it, then you would need to keep it drained and clean until it heals. I'm glad she's seeing a vet tomorrow.
 
I'm thinking about trying to get an appointment with Alfreton Park Veterinary Hospital tomorrow because I've seen they are good, also not too far from me

I'm not too confident with my local vets after a few visits they don't seen to know much about guinea pigs,

Does anyone have any idea what sort of price that vets is,
I know what it would cost from my local but other than that I don't know
I want to make sure I have enough money on me tomorrow :/
 
Okay I phoned up the vets
Couldn't get in at Alfreton
So back to my local at 10.20 this morning

The receptionist said she might have to be amitted!
And now I'm very worried
I'm worried that it's very serious
And that it could cost a lot of money!
We don't have loads at the moment
The bills went out on Friday
But lucky this time my mum is in the country so she can and would willing help with vet costs :)

But still
Hope it's not too bad
Should i ask for a different antibiotic this time if it comes to that?
 
Okay they want to operate on it

They gave me an estimate of £250

They want to operate on Friday
So we have till Friday to get that money together
I'm a little bit stressed

I'm meeting with my mum after work today to talk about it
See if she can help us out with some money
Poor Anya :( :(
 
Abscesses often don't go away with antibiotics alone. They often need to be lanced and drained, then left open to continue draining so they can heal from the inside out. In other cases, depending on location, abscesses can be removed in total (the entire abscess capsule removed.) In that case, the skin will be stitched closed over the wound. I've had pigs do well with both procedures. Where is the abscess located (apologies if I missed an earlier post about this, I've been away on vacation!)
 
I'm sorry Anya has an abscess,Zithromax is an antibiotic that is considered very useful for abscesses.i agree with Freela it will most likely need draining.Alfreton park are very good vets,and have a vet that has a wide experience with guinea pigs.i hope you get anya sorted.sending positive thoughts.
 
Squishy, my adopted piggie (age 7) had an absess on her back, was given baytril and it came back, so she was given Septrin and it didn't come back. Septrin is stronger so it always works better for mine.
 
Her Abscess is located in that fatty area on her neck
At first they didn't think it was in her mouth or anything like that
But on the second visit when it had returned
They now want to have a dental x-ray to check.

I know baytril isn't great at getting rid of them
Which is why I was a little put out when I found out after the original vet visit.
At the original vet visit the vet did open it up and flush it out
But that was all, we were given metacam and baytril to take at home.

Do you think she needs to have surgery to get rid of this abscess, they said it feels quite deep.
Because if it could have been cleared up with stronger antibiotics I would rather have that then surgery on her neck area?
That worry me alot
Although the vets who would be doing the sugary I've been told by the vets is a vet that it's very good with small animals
It's ashfield house vets in long Eaton if anyone had any experience there...
 
i use china house for guinea pig surgery,the exotic vet there is very good at surgery,he would ensure you had strong antibiotics,he would be very honest with you !surgery will probably be necesary to eradicate the abcess capsule,but if this would be unsafe for Anya then the vet needs to give you alternatives so you can make an informed choice.i do hope you can get anya better.:hug:
 
Hi guys!
Anya was booked into the vets today at 9.20

They've just phoned me and said theyve looked in her mouth and her teeth are showing signs that she isn't getting enough vitamin c
They've said it's too risky to do the surgery under general because of this
And it would likely come back if we did go ahead with surgery
So they want to give her antibiotics and put her on special food

I'm now very confused and concerned because when I took Baby my other girl to the vets a few months ago they said she also wasn't getting enough vitamin c
And it had caused bad joints.

I'm now upset because it's making me think I'm doing something wrong here obviously!
I give them fresh veggies each day
With Pepper everyday
And they have guinea pig food which should have vitimin c in it

Is it that the food isn't food quality enough?
 
Won't do any harm to mention antibiotic bead implants, my old vet John Dinsdail seemed to think it was a viable option for agresesive abscesses
 
To be honest the first antibiotics they gave me which was Baytril was unlikely to get rid of the abcess so i don't know if this aggressive or more likely poorly treated in the first place?

How do they embedd the bead?
She can't have any kind of surgery because the lack of vit C makes it hard for her to recover?
 
here ALL the exotic vets don't trust the vit C contained in vegs and foods (and in pellets) and recommend 2 drops of CEBION (cheap and used for children, too) daily, sometimes more drops if the piggie is ill or pregnant. Deficiency of vit C has disappeared...
(also doctors for humans are starting suggesting a supplement of vit C; the excess goes out with urine). Of course this is only a school of thought.
Anyway, now that your piggies have some sign of lack of vit C I would not give the usual fortified expensive and famous food produced by the best firms... I would give them a serious supplement. of course the drops need to be given by syringe mixed with some water.
I would print the research suggested by Gizzy and I would show it to the vet. And honestly I would go to a vet who already knows the method...
 
furryfriends (TEAS) said:
I'd be getting a second opinion. This vet doesn't sound very knowledgeable x
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Why doesn't this vet sound knowledgeable?
What bit doesn't sound knowledgeable?

This is the third vet I've seen about Anya's Abcess and I'm getting a bit tired of everyone on the forum just saying the vets don't know what they're doing without actually telling me why they think that?
Its hard to know what to do :/

rome_italy said:
here ALL the exotic vets don't trust the vit C contained in vegs and foods (and in pellets) and recommend 2 drops of CEBION (cheap and used for children, too) daily, sometimes more drops if the piggie is ill or pregnant. Deficiency of vit C has disappeared...
(also doctors for humans are starting suggesting a supplement of vit C; the excess goes out with urine).
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I already have vitimin c drops given to me for Baby from another vet,
I do sometimes just put some drops on everyone's veg to make sure they all get some
Maybe I should do this daily?
 
TheLottiediarys said:
Why doesn't this vet sound knowledgeable?
What bit doesn't sound knowledgeable?

This is the third vet I've seen about Anya's Abcess and I'm getting a bit tired of everyone on the forum just saying the vets don't know what they're doing without actually telling me why they think that?
Its hard to know what to do :/


I already have vitimin c drops given to me for Baby from another vet,
I do sometimes just put some drops on everyone's veg to make sure they all get some
Maybe I should do this daily?
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I am not convinced on this whole Vitamin C deficiency thing. How are they diagnosing it? Also it can be sorted really quickly and easily. I had a piggy arrive at TEAS with severe Vitamin C deficiency, that had caused joint stiffness, not only in her legs but in her jaw, so neither moved well and her teeth had gone very wrong. However, with a proper diet, plus 0.3 mls of 4joints extra strength liquid, she was fine in just a matter of days. She needed a few dentals to sort out her teeth, but her joints improved almost immediately.

If the abscess is deep, she is going to need surgery to marsupialise it and then a good antibiotic, such as Zithromax or a combination of Zithromax and marbocyl
 
TheLottiediarys said:
Why doesn't this vet sound knowledgeable?
What bit doesn't sound knowledgeable?

This is the third vet I've seen about Anya's Abcess and I'm getting a bit tired of everyone on the forum just saying the vets don't know what they're doing without actually telling me why they think that?
Its hard to know what to do :/


I already have vitimin c drops given to me for Baby from another vet,
I do sometimes just put some drops on everyone's veg to make sure they all get some
Maybe I should do this daily?
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Considering the amount of 30-40mg/kg if a piggie's weight is 1 kg, 2 drops (in my case) correspond to 12mg (each drop is 6mg) therefore it is only a little supplement... When my piggie had a watery eye the vet suggested to double to drops... In case of a lack the amount should be different...
But are you sure that it is really a lack? I have some doubt at this point...
Look, firms of pet food support clinics and this is what a vet friend of mine had told me... your vet has suggested a certain fortified special food...:hmm:
 
furryfriends (TEAS) said:
I am not convinced on this whole Vitamin C deficiency thing. How are they diagnosing it? Also it can be sorted really quickly and easily. I had a piggy arrive at TEAS with severe Vitamin C deficiency, that had caused joint stiffness, not only in her legs but in her jaw, so neither moved well and her teeth had gone very wrong. However, with a proper diet, plus 0.3 mls of 4joints extra strength liquid, she was fine in just a matter of days. She needed a few dentals to sort out her teeth, but her joints improved almost immediately.

If the abscess is deep, she is going to need surgery to marsupialise it and then a good antibiotic, such as Zithromax or a combination of Zithromax and marbocyl
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Thanks for replying! I didn't mean to sound mardy I know it probably came across that way I just wanted more infomation so sorry about that.

The vet said the way her teeth looked, showed vitimin c deficiency,
I wasn't able to go back to the vets and pick her up and speak to someone because I'm at work so my mum went down to collect her at 2,
They've given me some 'drops' mum said on the phone which I'm assuming is suppliments for vit C I'll see when I get home, and also they've given us a specific food, excel I believe to feed her now.
They want to see her again in 5 days after the vit C suppliments have had time to work and go from there.
That's all I know so far but I have the vets number to phone her if I need more infomation when I get home.

I'm assuming when she's well enough they will want to do the surgery,
But she can't have it today because the vitimin c deficiency will effect her recovery negatively and probably cause the abscess to return, That's what I was told on the phone,
Prior to today's visit I was given a sheet that detailed the breakdown of cost for the treatment today and it included the antibiotics you mentioned.

So from that I don't think this is a bad vets?
 
rome_italy said:
Considering the amount of 30-40mg/kg if a piggie's weight is 1 kg, 2 drops (in my case) correspond to 12mg (each drop is 6mg) therefore it is only a little supplement... When my piggie had a watery eye the vet suggested to double to drops... In case of a lack the amount should be different...
But are you sure that it is really a lack? I have some doubt at this point...
Look, firms of pet food support clinics and this is what a vet friend of mine had told me... your vet has suggested a certain fortified special food...:hmm:
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I don't think I follow what your saying,
I haven't specified the type of drops I was given by the vet so how can you say it's not enough?

And if the vet says that her teeth are showing signs of vit C deficiency then I'm going to believe the vet?
It sounds right from what I've read about deficiency, it can be caused short term by illness and Anya has been ill with an Abcess that's been opened and has caused pain because of this,

My other girl who has deficiency has symptoms including stiff joints, but that's from long term deficiency, Anya's is short term.

Why wouldn't I believe the vet just because they have suggested a different brand of food?
That seems very conspiracy theory and I'm just looking to sort out her Medical issues which the vet I've just spoken to has talk to me about?

I understand where your coming from because believe me, I'm a massive believer that the big brand companies don't have the best interests of your pets at heart most of the time.
But this is a qualified vet who specialise in Guinea Pigs that's why I traveled there in those first place.
 
furryfriends (TEAS) said:
So what plan of action have the vets put in place to address the Vitamin C deficiency? How long do they think it will be before they can do the surgery?
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They've sent her home with medicine of some kind, I'm not sure on specifics because my mum picked her up from the vets and just said she's got a bottle for her,
She's back at the vets in 5 days to check the progress and we will know more about time scale for possible surgery then.
 
TheLottiediarys said:
I don't think I follow what your saying,
I haven't specified the type of drops I was given by the vet so how can you say it's not enough?

And if the vet says that her teeth are showing signs of vit C deficiency then I'm going to believe the vet?
It sounds right from what I've read about deficiency, it can be caused short term by illness and Anya has been ill with an Abcess that's been opened and has caused pain because of this,

My other girl who has deficiency has symptoms including stiff joints, but that's from long term deficiency, Anya's is short term.

Why wouldn't I believe the vet just because they have suggested a different brand of food?
That seems very conspiracy theory and I'm just looking to sort out her Medical issues which the vet I've just spoken to has talk to me about?

I understand where your coming from because believe me, I'm a massive believer that the big brand companies don't have the best interests of your pets at heart most of the time.
But this is a qualified vet who specialise in Guinea Pigs that's why I traveled there in those first place.
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You have said that the vet (I hope to have understood correctly) suggests a fortified FOOD because of the deficiency of this vitamin C. I wonder: a deficiency needs a strong action, therefore not a food, a bell pepper or something "soft", but something for immediately fixing the situation. As you say that the diet is correct, I wonder why your girls didn't absorb the vit C... maybe it is because the vegs are kept for long into the fridges? (into the shops, I mean) This is the main reason for here vets don't trust the vit C into the food.
There is nothing strange in the fact that firms support clinics and researches... I also have worked into the research field and Sandoz paid for my medical researches (and did not always like my results... which had to be modified sometimes... this is the medical field).
Anyway, as a supplement of vit C is never harmful I would recommend it of course, I also give it to my healthy sows even if they eat loads of grass which is rich of that vitamin...:nod:
Luckily a deficiency of vit C is easy and very fast to be cured, especially when the body is in need the absorbiment is immediate. of course a damage needs time before healing.
I am pro supplement, especially the ones which cannot be accumulated into the body and also my daughters take vit C although we all eat great amount of vegs and fruit. But I don't trust fortified foods, because vit C is really too labile (I hope it is the correct word) and disappears with air, light, warm, time...
 
and if you are interested, Cebion drops 10ml lasts one month for two piggies and it costs only 4-5€. In UK it is even cheaper than here (and your bottle is even bigger). Piggies love its taste. Of course I don't produce those drops...:)) but they are great, cheap and easy to be dosed.
 
rome_italy said:
and if you are interested, Cebion drops 10ml lasts one month for two piggies and it costs only 4-5€. In UK it is even cheaper than here (and your bottle is even bigger). Piggies love its taste. Of course I don't produce those drops...:)) but they are great, cheap and easy to be dosed.
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I already gave vitimin drops but I will look at those too

I'm also very confused why they haven't been absorbing enough vit C through thir diet
I might have to make some changes to their pellets ie a different brand just to be sure
 
TheLottiediarys said:
I already gave vitimin drops but I will look at those too

I'm also very confused why they haven't been absorbing enough vit C through thir diet
I might have to make some changes to their pellets ie a different brand just to be sure
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I think that this supplement will work... :nod: If you want to use pellets (I don't use any), when you open the box, make a lot of little bags and put them into the freezer well closed. Keep only one little bag into your cupboard, in the dark. because the vit C of the pellets, although the firm guaranteees it is stable, actually after three months from when it is produced, starts decreasing...
Anyway a bell pepper should be enough... Sometimes the body requires a lot of vit C because of some stress and/or infection. Sometimes the body has difficulty in absorbing vitamines. Look: at home, despite the sun we have all year round, we all resulted severely deficient in vit D3 and we are all taking now a supplement. My husband after one year of supplement had a blood test which showed a situation worse than last year! last year he had 19mg and this year he has 15... and he spends a lot of time doing outdoor sports and eats correctly.
It is not your fault or food's fault if your piggies are in this situation; anyway, keep the food in the dark and closed.;)
 
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