Fighting males, what is best?

Emgar

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Hi,
We have two young male GP’s (approx 6 months) they’re lovely natured but very different characters who just do not seem to be able to get along. There will be teeth chattering from the smaller pig, Carlos, towards his ‘brother’ within five minutes of them being together and he isn’t afraid to lash out with either teeth or feet either. In return (or perhaps to begin the argument) the other GP, Pigmund Freud, is (perhaps as some warped nod to his namesake) slightly obsessed with his brother- he rumbles constantly at him, and sprays rather than bites when things are tense. Following a fairly bad bite to Pigmund, and a series of incidents during which it was clear he was at risk from Carlos’ ninja moves (and his own gluttony for punishment re: following him around rumbling) the boys have been separated for two months (living one above the other in the same, v big cage) to ensure as much as possible that they are happy, PF spends most of the day free-ranging the house whilst C is either cuddled (which he appreciates much more than his brother) or in a ‘pop up’ run where he can play with his brother without being able to Bruce-Lee him. Here’s the thing- PF is absolutely devoted to Carlos, wanting to be near him constantly, laying beside the run staring at him, and wheeking with sheer excitement when he’s able to get close to him, whilst C (though he’ll play temporarily) is much more indifferent to his brother and chatters like a mad man if he can actually touch him. I’m worried PF might not be getting what he needs from his brother and we’ve considered getting a third GP to ensure he gets the company he clearly craves, but we have a few concerns: 1. Will PF actually get on with a new GP or are we condemning ourselves to the addition of a third layer to our complex cage-system? 2. Is it fair on another GP to be brought into this complex love-triangle? 3. Will C need a friend also (we obviously can’t know if it’s just PF causing him issues, or if he’ll be as irritated by all others too...) any suggestions/ recommendations very welcome! The boys are adored and we want them to have the happiest, healthiest and most fulfilled lives that they can.
p.s. human company less of an issue, they live In a studio flat, can see everything that goes on, get daily cuddles and attention (2+ hours in total usually) and are rarely left for more than a few hours alone (we work from home)
 

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Unfortunately your boys are now in (the beginning of) the teenage months which last from 4-14 months of age. In that time tensions can really rise and of piggies aren’t compatible CHARACTER WISE then no amount of space etc will help their relationship. I’m afraid if there’s already been a bad fight and blood was drawn, then permanent separation is the only way to go.

Having said that, what you could do is to have them living side by side. Is that at all possible? I know you said you live in a studio flat so I know space is likely at a premium.

When you give them floor time, are they roaming around together? If so, that’s not at all a good idea. If they’re separate they need to be separate.

This phase is a difficult time to bond boars because of their hormone surges. Unfortunately being blood related doesn’t guarantee a good bond. If you can’t have them side by side then you have two options. First is to find a rescue that can do boar dating - they can then each choose their own cage mate. Second is you neuter them both and, after the 6 week wait, introduce them to a sow each.

Piggies are herd animals and highly social. And they need constant companionship of their own kind. So I’m afraid no amount of human interaction can replace that friendship. I’ll link some threads below for you to have a read through.
Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
A Comprehensive Guide to Guinea Pig Boars
Bonds In Trouble
 

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Hi,
Unfortunately your boys are now in (the beginning of) the teenage months which last from 4-14 months of age. In that time tensions can really rise and of piggies aren’t compatible CHARACTER WISE then no amount of space etc will help their relationship. I’m afraid if there’s already been a bad fight and blood was drawn, then permanent separation is the only way to go.

Having said that, what you could do is to have them living side by side. Is that at all possible? I know you said you live in a studio flat so I know space is likely at a premium.

When you give them floor time, are they roaming around together? If so, that’s not at all a good idea. If they’re separate they need to be separate.

This phase is a difficult time to bond boars because of their hormone surges. Unfortunately being blood related doesn’t guarantee a good bond. If you can’t have them side by side then you have two options. First is to find a rescue that can do boar dating - they can then each choose their own cage mate. Second is you neuter them both and, after the 6 week wait, introduce them to a sow each.

Piggies are herd animals and highly social. And they need constant companionship of their own kind. So I’m afraid no amount of human interaction can replace that friendship. I’ll link some threads below for you to have a read through.
Boars: Teenage, Bullying, Fighting, Fall-outs And What Next?
A Comprehensive Guide to Guinea Pig Boars
Bonds In Trouble
Thank you, this is really helpful. Unfortunately I don’t think there’s any way for them to live side by side and no, they don’t roam together (C is always separated in the run and PF is outside of the run on the floor, we always give them plenty of space and places to hide but, whilst C makes the most of this, PF lies next to the run and stares longingly at his brother) I would absolutely love for them to have companionship, and fully recognise we’re not enough- we’re petrified of getting them neutered but will look into dating, sounds fun!
 

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I agree with everything siikibam has said.
I also agree that at their age, bonding with another young boar might be problematic due to them being teens. You might get on better if you were to go to a rescue and try to bond them with an adult boar (one over 2 years old). They are still within their teens until 14 months of age and still subject to high hormones, so It wouldn’t necessarily be easy bonding with anybody younger than 18 months. With all that said, it’s character compatibility and mutual liking that comes before age when it comes to a successful bond - piggies have to like each other and they can just as easily not get on with an adult so that is why having a rescue centre help is best - you won’t bring home another piggy until you are sure they are compatible
Neutering then and having a female wife for each is likely to produce the most stable bond given your boys ages.
 

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Sadly, the usual advice is -

Once blood is drawn, they must live separately. They have decided not to be friends.
 

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I would find a piggie experience vet who has done plenty of neutering and go down that route, they are so young to be lone piggies and a wife each would be worth any slight risk involved x
Do you live in the UK, if we know where you live we may be able to recommend a vet
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